New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Bus-Conductor]

Is it too late to change the design again? We missed a trick by having actual architects design the stadium. Bursaspor's president let his 4 year old grand-daughter have a go at theirs and they ended up with this:

Although admittedly things might have gone a bit wrong if someone misunderstood the instruction "I want our stadium to have a giant cock as an entrance."

There are some great looking designs here:

http://babb.telegraph.co.uk/2014/11...-new-football-stadiums-from-around-the-world/

I still like ours, but some of these are better.

We still have financial constraints. We could have something outrageously cool like the new Mercedes-Benz Stadium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_Stadium), but that costs nearly £1bn (£985m)

Yeah, I posted some of the new french ones in a thread in general football a while back. Nice, Bordeaux, Lyon, Marseille have all built architecturally interesting stadiums. Marseille's Stade Velodrome cost about €300m for example and holds 67,000.

Nice:

 

[Riandor]

Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I prefer our design... Though Nice is, well, nice.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Yeah, I posted some of the new french ones in a thread in general football a while back. Nice, Bordeaux, Lyon, Marseille have all built architecturally interesting stadiums. Marseille's Stade Velodrome cost about €300m for example and holds 67,000.

Nice:

The work on the Stade Velodrome was a renovation and expansion- so that it would be more modernised for Euro 2016, not a full construction like we have to do.

Bordeaux's stadium is horrific IMO.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I think some of those are pretty cool

Maybe we could make ours a giant arse, and strategically build poo shaped buildings over towards the Emirates. From a plane it would look epic, though I'm not sure everyone would agree with my take on 'art'

 

[Hengy1]

Personally I love the look of the new stadium

 

[yiddopaul]

While some of the above designs are 'interesting' to look at, I wouldn't want our ground looking like them, they look a bit too futuristic/disney for my taste. I can't believe anyone would not love our our design. It looks like a proper piece of architecture that happens to be a stadium (if that makes sense – did in my head). Each side of our new stadium will be different from wherever you approach it. I love it! And the unique (ish?) shape from the air feels like the millenium falcon .

As has been pointed out, people have different tastes... some just have bad ones

 

[yiddopaul]

Can't believe we're even having this debate to be honest. This is the only post I've come across that doesn't like the new design. Even our rivals admit it looks really good.

 

[Lighty64]

any news on the sign off yet? so we can there hear if an appeal will be made about the 2 local buildings?

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

any news on the sign off yet? so we can there hear if an appeal will be made about the 2 local buildings?

Still waiting.

 

[Lighty64]

Still waiting.

cheers LA, I try to keep up with this thread, but so much going on at the moment I occasionally fall behind

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The work on the Stade Velodrome was a renovation and expansion- so that it would be more modernised for Euro 2016, not a full construction like we have to do.

Bordeaux's stadium is horrific IMO.

It was more than a renovation, basically both sides were completely rebuilt, with a new roof all round and renovation of each end. And it cost about €267 (our stadium is costing around double that, no ?)

 

[kmk]

It was more than a renovation, basically both sides were completely rebuilt, with a new roof all round and renovation of each end. And it cost about €267 (our stadium is costing around double that, no ?)

Isn't the more expensive price of building our stadium due to the cost of land in London compared to Marseille + the building of affordable homes?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

It was more than a renovation, basically both sides were completely rebuilt, with a new roof all round and renovation of each end. And it cost about €267 (our stadium is costing around double that, no ?)

OK big man, why don't you design a stadium and let's see what everyone thinks about it?

 

[brasil_spur]

Chelsea's stadium is a potentially iconic design, and may win a few RIBA awards, but in reality it's just a monument to Abramovich. Dick waving if you like.

Agreed, iconic but also i think it is fairly ugly.

 

[brasil_spur]

Personally I love the look of the new stadium

Agreed, also there is a massive difference between how a stadium looks from an aerial digital rendering and how it looks once built and your standing outside it or down the high road.

Whilst ours may not be the most spectacular aerial rendering of any stadium out there i reckon it will easily hold its own when standing outside (and in).

 

[Spursidol]

Isn't the more expensive price of building our stadium due to the cost of land in London compared to Marseille + the building of affordable homes?

Land but also price of labour in London is a lot more than in provincial France plus working in a tight space in the middle of a big city invariably means that things cannot be done that efficiently which means costs go up, etc plus as you say bearing affordable housing cost and any other public works

 

[Spursidol]

Am I the only one who is a bit disappointed with the design of the new stadium?

I think we had a chance to do something architecturally different but we seem to have gone for a very safe and pretty boring design.

One big constraint you haven't mentioned though

Space.

The stadium is pretty tightly constrained in all directions, so many designs you might like simply cannot fit into the footprint of the land available.

 

[mpickard2087]

My main concern has always been the pitch. Similar stadiums that have been able to move the pitch out in sections have been prone to cut up pretty badly. They're probably aware of these examples and the relevant people/technology Id hope have the solutions... But for the amount of money being sunk into it I'm expecting us to have the best pitch around, the premiere surface. Absolutely pristine. I understand we may need those revenue streams, but I will be annoyed if our grass football pitch suffers due to accommodating NFL or whatever else we hope to be staged.

 

[Phischy]

Based on space available, budget, having to work within certain structural constraints of the initial KSS design, the moving pitch etc. It's pretty clear we couldn't have ended up with anything much better. Around the time of the re-design I had a design idea in my mind (as an improvement on the KSS effort) and what Spurs announced was about a million times better than anything I could come up with. I see some stadiums and think they are special, but, for example, the Allianz would look silly in the context of London, with the older housing and buildings right around it and next to it. It benefits from being a monument in a far more open area. Whilst I stand by my view that it's not the most innovative or stunning stadium in the world, it is definitely the best we could imagine or hope for and I am very happy with it. I just want more Spurs badges! A giant frosted glass cockerel on that big south stand glass façade would look awesome!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Land but also price of labour in London is a lot more than in provincial France plus working in a tight space in the middle of a big city invariably means that things cannot be done that efficiently which means costs go up, etc plus as you say bearing affordable housing cost and any other public works

Marseille is hardly "provincial" France, it's it's second biggest city, and Labour costs in France are horrendous and I would say certainly no cheaper than the UK.

Isn't the more expensive price of building our stadium due to the cost of land in London compared to Marseille + the building of affordable homes?

The building of additional properties (affordable homes, etc) and selling land to developers etc is going to help the club raise funds, not cost them money, something I don't think Marseille could do.

I think Marseille's was a PPP type funding, so slightly different to our funding certainly in ratios of private/public funding anyway.