MOTD thread

[Johnny J]

I haven't watched MOTD for years before this, and I didn't watch it last night either.

I personally watch the little 3 min skysports clips on youtube if I want to see the goals from other games. Does the job for me.

I like finding the short YouTube clips that are clearly labelled as highlights and OH MY GOD IT'S ANOTHER FUCKING FIFA CLIP or STATIC IMAGES WITH A ROBOT VOICEOVER

 

[Blaugrana]

Hoofoot.com is great for highlights

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Here's another expert view:

‘Is There Any Comparison Between Braverman's Migration Bill and Nazi Germany?’ – Byline Times

Brad Blitz looks at the storm of controversy over Gary Lineker's comments on the Illegal Migration Bill, and while he finds no evidence of Nazi policy, does hear echoes of fascist rhetoric

bylinetimes.com

To be honest, it doesn't matter what I say. The fact of the matter is that he's picked a terrible analogy and is now doubling down on his ignorance.

The Nazis in the 30's were actively looking to expel Jewish citizens from the country, not close their borders.

I think you are missing his point.

Lineker does not say UK in 2023 is the equivalent of 1930's Germany.

Lineker says that the UK government is pursuing an immigration policy while using language similar to that used in 1930's Germany.

That language is in the form of placing undue blame on groups of people for the woes of the country. Using words as "invasion" when referring to migrants - conjure up a negative image, unnecessarily.

No matter where you fall on the immigration debate - immigrants are not the cause of much of what ails the UK right now. This is really just a distraction for the Tories to point the blame elsewhere, instead of dealing with a myriad of other real problems. (It is a little ironic that the Lineker tweet is itself a distraction from a reasoned debate on the government's policy, but "stopping the boats" is just a distraction from addressing real issues)/

 

[daveduvet]

I think you are missing his point.

Lineker does not say UK in 2023 is the equivalent of 1930's Germany.

Lineker says that the UK government is pursuing an immigration policy while using language similar to that used in 1930's Germany.

That language is in the form of placing undue blame on groups of people for the woes of the country. Using words as "invasion" when referring to migrants - conjure up a negative image, unnecessarily.

No matter where you fall on the immigration debate - immigrants are not the cause of much of what ails the UK right now. This is really just a distraction for the Tories to point the blame elsewhere, instead of dealing with a myriad of other real problems. (It is a little ironic that the Lineker tweet is itself a distraction from a reasoned debate on the government's policy, but "stopping the boats" is just a distraction from addressing real issues)/

Well written post….Of which I wholeheartedly agree

 

[daveduvet]

I’ll be candid: I really enjoy motd. I watch it on a Sunday morning with my brew & biscuits - only when spurs don’t lose. I enjoy the punditry & the banter between the studio guests…. I seldom watch all the highlights, but I’d be peeved if we lost it as a service…

 

[Tucker]

I’ll be candid: I really enjoy motd. I watch it on a Sunday morning with my brew & biscuits - only when spurs don’t lose. I enjoy the punditry & the banter between the studio guests…. I seldom watch all the highlights, but I’d be peeved if we lost it as a service…

That’s exactly when I watch it usually too.

 

[Dougal]

That’s exactly when I watch it usually too.

Through @daveduvet ’s window.

 

[LSUY]

I just watched MOTD on iPlayer. I actually loved the no presenters format, it gave me a feeling of immersion that you otherwise do not get. It was kinda like watching an in car feed from Le Mans

Agreed. Wouldn't be against the BBC making this a Red Button or iPlayer option.

 

[daveduvet]

Through @daveduvet ’s window.

I pretend I don’t know … as my towelling robe drops open

 

[chas vs dave]

I think you are missing his point.

Lineker does not say UK in 2023 is the equivalent of 1930's Germany.

Lineker says that the UK government is pursuing an immigration policy while using language similar to that used in 1930's Germany.

That language is in the form of placing undue blame on groups of people for the woes of the country. Using words as "invasion" when referring to migrants - conjure up a negative image, unnecessarily.

No matter where you fall on the immigration debate - immigrants are not the cause of much of what ails the UK right now. This is really just a distraction for the Tories to point the blame elsewhere, instead of dealing with a myriad of other real problems. (It is a little ironic that the Lineker tweet is itself a distraction from a reasoned debate on the government's policy, but "stopping the boats" is just a distraction from addressing real issues)/

No, he said similar language. Which wasn't true. Nazi Germany was using language against people who were citizens within their own country hence why the majority of the anti immigration rhetoric occurred in places like the UK in the 1930s.

I'm condoning the uk government.

The Boat issue is actually a real problem. Not for every day working people, but for the increasing number of people who on said boats are victims of exploitation. From modern slavery, to women being put into sex slavery. It isnt affecting John the builder, who thinks his job is being taken, but there is a risk of an ever increasing black economy.

I think you are missing his point.

Lineker does not say UK in 2023 is the equivalent of 1930's Germany.

Lineker says that the UK government is pursuing an immigration policy while using language similar to that used in 1930's Germany.

That language is in the form of placing undue blame on groups of people for the woes of the country. Using words as "invasion" when referring to migrants - conjure up a negative image, unnecessarily.

No matter where you fall on the immigration debate - immigrants are not the cause of much of what ails the UK right now. This is really just a distraction for the Tories to point the blame elsewhere, instead of dealing with a myriad of other real problems. (It is a little ironic that the Lineker tweet is itself a distraction from a reasoned debate on the government's policy, but "stopping the boats" is just a distraction from addressing real issues)/

Again, nazi Germany wasn't actually anti immigration. Their policies were more towards Jews from within Germany. Anyway, we can keep going round in circles. I've been critical to both parties

The mass exodus lead to anti immigration sentiment in the uk/Europe.

Do you think the boat issue, isn't a major issue?

Modern slavery is on the rise. The black economy in the UK is growing year on year.

The majority of the people being ferried on boats are being Exploited by criminal enterprises. Its really got nothing to do with people on boats taking peoples jobs.

Modern slavery in the UK - Anti-Slavery International

Modern slavery still thrives in Britain today, with up to 13,000 estimated to be victims of trafficking. Find out how people end up in slavery in the UK.

www.antislavery.org

And yes, you are right. It isnt the biggest issue. Tax evasion is much worse, Gary probably won't talk about that one...

 

[beats1]

Here's another expert view:

‘Is There Any Comparison Between Braverman's Migration Bill and Nazi Germany?’ – Byline Times

Brad Blitz looks at the storm of controversy over Gary Lineker's comments on the Illegal Migration Bill, and while he finds no evidence of Nazi policy, does hear echoes of fascist rhetoric

bylinetimes.com

To be honest, it doesn't matter what I say. The fact of the matter is that he's picked a terrible analogy and is now doubling down on his ignorance.

The Nazis in the 30's were actively looking to expel Jewish citizens from the country, not close their borders.

Hey what the actual fuck do you think we want to do? Close our borders and say "you can't come In, now, sorry were closed"

Or Illegally expel people seeking asylum under international law?

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

@chas vs dave - Let me ask you this - you say the issue is protecting the people on the boat from exploitation. I'll assume for the moment that you actually believe that.

How many of those people who are being trafficked will be applying for asylum in the UK?

How does the policy of denying any asylum application from people who enter the country "illegally" help any of the people being trafficked?

Human trafficking is undoubtedly a world-wide problem - but I can't see how the new policy is designed to help people in that situation.

 

[McFlash]

No, he said similar language. Which wasn't true. Nazi Germany was using language against people who were citizens within their own country hence why the majority of the anti immigration rhetoric occurred in places like the UK in the 1930s.

I'm condoning the uk government.

The Boat issue is actually a real problem. Not for every day working people, but for the increasing number of people who on said boats are victims of exploitation. From modern slavery, to women being put into sex slavery. It isnt affecting John the builder, who thinks his job is being taken, but there is a risk of an ever increasing black economy.


Again, nazi Germany wasn't actually anti immigration. Their policies were more towards Jews from within Germany. Anyway, we can keep going round in circles. I've been critical to both parties

The mass exodus lead to anti immigration sentiment in the uk/Europe.

Do you think the boat issue, isn't a major issue?

Modern slavery is on the rise. The black economy in the UK is growing year on year.

The majority of the people being ferried on boats are being Exploited by criminal enterprises. Its really got nothing to do with people on boats taking peoples jobs.

Modern slavery in the UK - Anti-Slavery International

Modern slavery still thrives in Britain today, with up to 13,000 estimated to be victims of trafficking. Find out how people end up in slavery in the UK.

www.antislavery.org

And yes, you are right. It isnt the biggest issue. Tax evasion is much worse, Gary probably won't talk about that one...

Whether it's being used against minorities already in the country, or those trying to arrive doesn't matter.
It's that the language is being used at all is the issue.

 

[McFlash]

@chas vs dave - Let me ask you this - you say the issue is protecting the people on the boat from exploitation. I'll assume for the moment that you actually believe that.

How many of those people who are being trafficked will be applying for asylum in the UK?

How does the policy of denying any asylum application from people who enter the country "illegally" help any of the people being trafficked?

Human trafficking is undoubtedly a world-wide problem - but I can't see how the new policy is designed to help people in that situation.

It feels like someone is clutching at anything and everything to ignore what some of us are actually saying, from the holocaust, to some weird rant about porn, to the fact that the Nazis weren't speaking about immigrants but their own people (?!) and now to human trafficking...with a little dig about tax evasion thrown in.

None of which really has anything to do with what anyone has been saying.

 

[daveduvet]

“Illegal” immigration is todays folk devil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_devil)
In times of economic decline & difficulty outsiders are always blamed as a source of a failing economy…it’s been happening for decades. Whilst GL has highlighted the government’s rhetoric as akin to 1930’s Germany, it’s allowed the conversation to move to an arena which deflects from the abhorrent language that the Tories are using to alienate vulnerable people… (conscious I’m echoing @bluto Blutarsky’s words)

 

[beats1]

Here's another expert view:

‘Is There Any Comparison Between Braverman's Migration Bill and Nazi Germany?’ – Byline Times

Brad Blitz looks at the storm of controversy over Gary Lineker's comments on the Illegal Migration Bill, and while he finds no evidence of Nazi policy, does hear echoes of fascist rhetoric

bylinetimes.com

To be honest, it doesn't matter what I say. The fact of the matter is that he's picked a terrible analogy and is now doubling down on his ignorance.

The Nazis in the 30's were actively looking to expel Jewish citizens from the country, not close their borders.

You are aware that Germany had a influx of jewish migrants from Eastern Europe that added to the anti-semitism on top of the false claims that's the Jewish population was the enemy from within in Germany
Heres some stuff about Jewish Migration and the first detention centres, so worth remembering not all jewish people were 'german'

Targeting Jewish Migrants and Unwanted Foreigners in the 1920s: The History of Germany’s First Immigration Detention Sites

blogs.law.ox.ac.uk

 

[whitesocks]

Anyone else complain to the BBC about this?
It is not something I've ever done before, but I dont watch the BBC for anything other than the football and feel a bit cheated here. No commentary, analysis and reduced action.

This was totally unnecessary - I think we all generally disagree with their extended political censorship.

If they get 1 million complaints over this, it might make them think twice over tampering with our beautiful game or at least the highlights of.

 

[chas vs dave]

@chas vs dave - Let me ask you this - you say the issue is protecting the people on the boat from exploitation. I'll assume for the moment that you actually believe that.

How many of those people who are being trafficked will be applying for asylum in the UK?

How does the policy of denying any asylum application from people who enter the country "illegally" help any of the people being trafficked?

Human trafficking is undoubtedly a world-wide problem - but I can't see how the new policy is designed to help people in that situation.

These new policies are not going to do anything good. I think they are completely draconian and inhumane.

I never have said I agree with what the tories are doing. I've never said any such thing.

Just because I've criticised Lineker, doesn't mean I agree with the tories.

Also, for some insight, I have worked with modern slavery organisations on numerous occasions.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Whether Lineker is right or wrong to have made his 1930's Germany reference to the present Government , it's a sad state of affairs when the Government of this country causes this reaction from the United Nations Refugee Agency .

https://www.unhcr.org/uk/news/press/2023/3/6407794e4/statement-on-uk-asylum-bill.html#:~:text=UNHCR%20continues%20to%20support%20the,the%20UK%2C%20including%20through%20resettlement.

 

[Tucker]

Just as a point of reference. The Nazis targeted immigrants too and spoke of invasions of Slavs etc etc.