MOTD thread

[daveduvet]

I was in the car when Jordan came on earlier and I couldn’t disagree with him, I actually think he needs to set up a political party as I’d vote the guy in, unfortunately it won’t happen though. https://talksport.com/football/1358389/gary-lineker-simon-jordan-bbc-motd/amp/

Cheers for pinning that. Jordan’s pov has definitely made me reconsider my view on things - on the one hand I agree that GL has a right to air his views; on the other it does contravene the agreement of his employment. On top on this, it takes away the focus from a pretty dirty campaign of vilifying all asylum seekers as ‘illegal immigrants’. Everything’s so topsy turvy nowadays, I sometimes wonder where I’m at in relation to the external world

 

[Johnny J]

on the other it does contravene the agreement of his employment.

He's not an employee though, and the best article I can find that talks about the terms of his contract suggests it's ambiguous at best when it comes to rules on social media use.

BBC fears it cannot sack Lineker or force him to follow social media rules

Exclusive: Presenter is on a two-year contract negotiated before current director general was appointed

www.independent.co.uk

 

[nailsy]

20 minutes long haha

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What a joke.

 

[McFlash]

Not wanting to detail the thread, but you can't say you don't like rudeness after calling someone a bellend and dismissing them as you don't know their name.

After a quick Google search I can only find the short statement that was posted in ere also. So I am no help with finding it also.

Sometimes you've got to fight fire with fire () and I didn't intend to dismiss their name, just that after being on her for so many years, many members stand out for various reasons.
What I meant was that I'd not noticed this person being like this in the past, but they've been rude to several people in the past couple of pages for no discernible reason.

That warrants being called a bellend in my book.

 

[Meercat]

Not ambiguous,. From the BBC editorial guidelines


It is generally expected that irregular or occasional
contributors would not be required to apply
the fullrequirements of the Editorial Guidelines to their
social media use.

Actors, dramatists, comedians, musicians and
pundits who work for the BBC are not subject to the
requirements of impartiality on social media.
Independent production companies that produce
social media content which is directly or indirectly
associated with the BBC should ensure that this
Guidance is followed. Companies should refer to
their usual commissioning contact to discuss the
application if required.

Guidance on use of social media for BBC
programme, brand or genre accounts is available
here.
Last updated October 2020

 

[DarwinSpur]

Don't care what Lineker says in his socials.
Wish he'd pay his fucking taxes though.

 

[Johnny J]

Not ambiguous,. From the BBC editorial guidelines


It is generally expected that irregular or occasional
contributors would not be required to apply
the fullrequirements of the Editorial Guidelines to their
social media use.

Actors, dramatists, comedians, musicians and
pundits who work for the BBC are not subject to the
requirements of impartiality on social media.
Independent production companies that produce
social media content which is directly or indirectly
associated with the BBC should ensure that this
Guidance is followed. Companies should refer to
their usual commissioning contact to discuss the
application if required.

Guidance on use of social media for BBC
programme, brand or genre accounts is available
here.
Last updated October 2020

That's a statement about the guidelines. It's not the rules of the guidelines, nor an extract from his agreement with the BBC.

We know the BBC "considers" that he's broken the social media guidelines. That doesn't mean he has, nor that the guidelines even apply to him or are incorporated into the terms of his current services agreement with the BBC.

 

[nailsy]

Not ambiguous,. From the BBC editorial guidelines


It is generally expected that irregular or occasional
contributors would not be required to apply
the fullrequirements of the Editorial Guidelines to their
social media use.

Actors, dramatists, comedians, musicians and
pundits who work for the BBC are not subject to the
requirements of impartiality on social media.
Independent production companies that produce
social media content which is directly or indirectly
associated with the BBC should ensure that this
Guidance is followed. Companies should refer to
their usual commissioning contact to discuss the
application if required.

Guidance on use of social media for BBC
programme, brand or genre accounts is available
here.
Last updated October 2020

So if he does ten minutes stand up in the Dog & Duck on a Thursday night he can say what he wants? Problem solved.

 

[McFlash]

I think the fact that so many of his colleagues have leapt to his defence says something.
It's not just the telly crew, the daily 5Live radio schedule went down the spout today too. Even Fighting Talk was taken off air this morning.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

 

[whitesocks]

Of course not. But the BBC issued a statement, which you can read on multiple news sites, that details what’s in it. He must have known what the BBCs response would be.

The BBC are hardly a reliable source about this. Or anything else really.
Sometimes it is tricky to present breaking news, let alone weigh up the arguments. The story can change so fast.

But the BBC literally generated this story all by themselves and certainly know all the details. Yet falsely reported that Lineker had voluntarily withdrawn from presenting motd.
This was not a mistake or misunderstanding by the newsroom. They lied, most likely under the direction of management.

And the scary thing is the BBC world news (which has traditionally been at arms length from government interference) is being merged with the domestic daily mail tabloid style news service, to spread propaganda around the globe.

The tories are not going to shut this cesspit down nor the tory-lites. But that licence fee needs to go right now.

 

[Meercat]

The policy is here: https://www.bbc.com/editorialguidelines/guidance/social-media/

I assume it’s posted elsewhere, but if all feels fairly bizarre that they can defend Andrew Neil and say his tweets are because he’s also the Spectator bloke so he’s allowed to front a major news show and nail his colours to the mast. And the Chris Packham stuff, as Lineker’s 4.9m tax bill proves he’s not an employee but a freelancer….
But this all feels like it’s been coming to a head since Emily Maitliss and her newsnight takedown…

Davie has said he’s fucked up… so we shall see what comes of it all, but yeah, strange hill to die on.

 

[Meercat]

Martin Samuel:

"If your new immigration strategy is so artfully constructed it needs protecting from a tweet by the bloke who presents Match of the Day, it might not be as clever as you think.”

 

[slartibartfast]

20 minutes long haha

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Idiots. What a missed opportunity to get record viewing figures.
Unless they only get access to liited footage per match or something.

 

[Johnny J]

The policy is here: https://www.bbc.com/editorialguidelines/guidance/social-media/

I assume it’s posted elsewhere, but if all feels fairly bizarre that they can defend Andrew Neil and say his tweets are because he’s also the Spectator bloke so he’s allowed to front a major news show and nail his colours to the mast. And the Chris Packham stuff, as Lineker’s 4.9m tax bill proves he’s not an employee but a freelancer….
But this all feels like it’s been coming to a head since Emily Maitliss and her newsnight takedown…

Davie has said he’s fucked up… so we shall see what comes of it all, but yeah, strange hill to die on.

Right - even if the social media rules are applicable to freelancers, and even if said freelancers may have broken the rules, the BBC has demonstrably been wholly inconsistent in its enforcement of the rules.

Ultimately Lineker is extremely popular AND isn't posting pro-Tory views, which is why the BBC chiefs - who are, notably, Tories - have decided to shut him down.

The government doesn't like anyone criticising it or showing dissent - see their new protest law for proof - and certainly not a beloved household name with millions of followers.

 

[Meercat]

Right - even if the social media rules are applicable to freelancers, and even if said freelancers may have broken the rules, the BBC has demonstrably been wholly inconsistent in its enforcement of the rules.

Ultimately Lineker is extremely popular AND isn't posting pro-Tory views, which is why the BBC chiefs - who are, notably, Tories - have decided to shut him down.

Yep

Just like Lord Sugar’s

 

[Meercat]

It really is an odd hill to die on. It’s like they forget this is the peoples game, not the rich kids game, and there are an awful lot of very compassionate footballers, from Rashford, but all of the others, your Drogba’s and Adebayor’s, Atsu’s and more who fund orphanages and school programs, and your Ronaldo’s who donate hundreds of thousands to hospitals, etc. it’s an industry that means so very much to so many people who feel an allegiance to these people. When you say extremely popular, it’s to a level they just can’t comprehend.

 

[Johnny J]

It really is an odd hill to die on. It’s like they forget this is the peoples game, not the rich kids game, and there are an awful lot of very compassionate footballers, from Rashford, but all of the others, your Drogba’s and Adebayor’s, Atsu’s and more who fund orphanages and school programs, and your Ronaldo’s who donate hundreds of thousands to hospitals, etc. it’s an industry that means so very much to so many people who feel an allegiance to these people. When you say extremely popular, it’s to a level they just can’t comprehend.

Great post. There's a distinct element of classism and elitism in Tory ministers' criticism of Lineker for showing dissent on his personal social media account.

Despite their hollow claims to be on the side of "ordinary working people", the Tories absolutely do not like working class folk getting ideas above their station. Such as disagreeing with the Tories.

Look at how they picked a massive and utterly needless fight with Marcus Rashford over children's fucking meals, for god's sake. One of the worst self-owns in recent political history - setting yourself up against a working class lad who just wanted to ensure kids get food.

Same with nurses, ambulance staff and doctors. It was fine for everyone to bang their pans for them every week in the pandemic. But the Tories showed their true contempt when the same key workers dared ask for pay rises to keep up with inflation.

Similar deal with Lineker. Like with Rashford, they see him as an ex-footballer who should stick to football stuff and leave the politics to those at the top.

 

[daveduvet]

Saw this pinned earlier… quite moving

 

[Meercat]

That’s a hard read because you know where it’s going, and it twists your gut as it delivers the last punch. Hell of a poet, Auden.