Massive Redknapp and Rafa rumour!

[kaz Hirai]

If anyone needs to work on tactics it's VDV. He dropped too deep last season and left our CF stranded.

he's naturally an attacking midfielder, dropping deep and linking things together is his game, and something that redknapp must be/is happy with. If not then redknapp should be fired immediately if he cant control 1 player

 

[brett.spurs]

When VDV drops deep then Modric/Bale/Lennon need to take it upon themselves to push up and support the striker. Bale was doing it before the turn of the year, making a lot of central forward runs. Playing two out and out wingers doesn't help as you're often left with just VDV and a striker in the box with Modric occasionally arriving late.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Words which were taken out of context and then clarified- or in your eyes contradicted- by Luka Modric which put to bed the idea of Redknapp's tactical absenteeism even for the dumbest and most biased.

Or so we thought.

Why, what did Modric say ?

 

[3Dnata]

I would like to think somebody had heated words about something given the last two displays.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

If anyone needs to work on tactics it's VDV. He dropped too deep last season and left our CF stranded.

It's exactly this that makes him a great player. Rooney doesn't goal hang, he does exactly the same. It just requires the coach to teach the other players what they should be doing when he does, it if they do it it pulls the opposition all over the place.If his movement caused us problems it was because of the lack of intelligent movement and interaction from those around him.

When VDV drops deep then Modric/Bale/Lennon need to take it upon themselves to push up and support the striker. Bale was doing it before the turn of the year, making a lot of central forward runs. Playing two out and out wingers doesn't help as you're often left with just VDV and a striker in the box with Modric occasionally arriving late.

Exactly.

 

[Pringle]

When VDV drops deep then Modric/Bale/Lennon need to take it upon themselves to push up and support the striker. Bale was doing it before the turn of the year, making a lot of central forward runs. Playing two out and out wingers doesn't help as you're often left with just VDV and a striker in the box with Modric occasionally arriving late.

Thats only the case if the wingers are clueless and the manager has given no instructions. It is basic football that when the ball is on 1 side of the pitch that the winger on the opposite side will tuck in. To claim that isnt the case is nieve and in correct. Watch Lennons position the next time Bale makes a run down the line and vice versa.

Agree with your first point though!

 

[Pringle]

It's exactly this that makes him a great player. Rooney doesn't goal hang, he does exactly the same. It just requires the coach to teach the other players what they should be doing when he does, it if they do it it pulls the opposition all over the place.If his movement caused us problems it was because of the lack of intelligent movement and interaction from those around him.

i agree, although i do think VDV drops a little too deep at times - he should not be getting the ball off the back 4 like he sometimes does

 

[NEVILLEB]

i agree, although i do think VDV drops a little too deep at times - he should not be getting the ball off the back 4 like he sometimes does

Rooney's got the pace to get back in the box, VDV is slower.

Also VDV doesn't really need to drop off so deep. We've got good passers of the ball in Modric, Sandro and Hudd. We want him up near the goal picking up Adebayor's lay offs. He does it too much and it's often just so he can get more of the ball. As we saw in our goal-less games against weak sides last year it doesn't really help us as theres no one in the box when the ball comes in. Thats where he should be..

 

[mattyspurs]

Ha ha, you really couldn't make this stuff up!!!

Wait a minute, somebody actually did!!!!

 

[Pringle]

Rooney's got the pace to get back in the box, VDV is slower.

Also VDV doesn't really need to drop off so deep. We've got good passers of the ball in Modric, Sandro and Hudd. We want him up near the goal picking up Adebayor's lay offs. He does it too much and it's often just so he can get more of the ball. As we saw in our goal-less games against weak sides last year it doesn't really help us as theres no one in the box when the ball comes in. Thats where he should be..

Neville - i think what others are saying (and i agree) is that its clever play to drop off as it makes it tough for the CBs as they dont know whether to go with you or not. However when you do this its really important that you have midfield runners who burst forward (ala Scholes). Man Utd do it to great effect with Rooney, though its different with them as they play with 3 up top where as we only have 1 plus VDV.

Tactically its very clever but you need to have the right type of players with him and as i said before - he drops a little too deep for me and also drops a little too often

 

[razza]

When the manager starts to lose the players its leaked out very quickly.
Christian Gross was unpopular, and he had no respect in the team...Hod was love by Chelsea and Swindon players but he lost the dressing room at spurs..mainly due to to over analysing tactics, and his own frustration at the lack of skill from the players, Ramos was not liked, he could,t speak the lingo and his hard man approach was a disaster...
My point being that I struggle to find manager in our history that is more respected by the playing staff.
Yes he needs a little refocus to get things going again, but I don,t buy it for one second that the players would take him on, nor would I think there is any manager who could do any more then he is doing with our chairman and finances aside from the possible exception of Wenger,and I for one would rather keep redknapp.

 

[Spurs1960]

Thats only the case if the wingers are clueless and the manager has given no instructions. It is basic football that when the ball is on 1 side of the pitch that the winger on the opposite side will tuck in. To claim that isnt the case is nieve and in correct. Watch Lennons position the next time Bale makes a run down the line and vice versa.

Agree with your first point though!

It is not basic football, well not for Premier League sides (it may be for Sunday morning football), that's not true I'm afraid. If you are playing with 2 wide men, the idea is to stretch the defence to allow gaps for the midfield players to run into which you do by staying wide if the ball is on the other side, you tuck in when you are defending.

 

[Pringle]

It is not basic football, well not for Premier League sides (it may be for Sunday morning football), that's not true I'm afraid. If you are playing with 2 wide men, the idea is to stretch the defence to allow gaps for the midfield players to run into which you do by staying wide if the ball is on the other side, you tuck in when you are defending.

Are you telling me that when Bale has the ball wide left - Lennon should hug the right touch line?

 

[Pringle]

Just to elaborate on the above....... when the keeper has the ball the wide players will be encouraged to pull wide as will the full backs. This will stretch the play and allow more time and space for the players in the middle. Depending on where the strikers go (to the full back or CB) will depend where the ball will be played. However once the ball has gone into the attacking half, if the ball is near to 1 touch line the player on the other wing will tuck in (generally in line with the edge of the area) so that if a cross comes in, they will be there to attack the ball.

This is coached into the vast majority of professional teams as basic football - this is not only my opinion, but this is also a fact (it is my job to know this if you catch my drift).

 

[stevenqoz]

Sure, a basic idea of attacking as a team, players make an assortment of runs....hard near, arriving penalty spot and as you say,Lennon arriving, past far stick. All this also depends on the attacking players to look to see what the rest are doing and to adapt as required. Lennon is not particularly smart without the ball and doesn't make particularly clever choices.....hence is a limited threat in and around the box. VDV is not an athlete and struggles to lose players. His tendency to drop deep means he struggles to then get back into the box where we most need him. Redknapp is not the first to struggle to make the best of VDV.....other sides with even better squads have also failed to find a blend which includes him. I have a feeling we will fly without him in the side ifonly because things will be less complicted imo.

 

[Kalim]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hoddle1987
although this particular 'rumour' is bs

vdv has in the past alluded to harry's tactical ineptitude.

Except that he didn't call it ineptitude. :roll:

I think youll find thats the meaning of alluded.

 

[brett.spurs]

Are you sure he wasn't illuding?

What?

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Once again, we appear to have a source from inside the dressing room before any media have heard anything whatsoever. It's amazing the information fans are able to get from the pub, compared to professional nosey-bastards who exist only to find out this sort of stuff.

Amazing.

 

[SpurSince57]

I think youll find thats the meaning of alluded.

You do? It's not terribly evident, I have to say. But being informed about the subtleties of the English language by some dick who seemingly hasn't grasped the use (or indeed, the very existence) of apostrophes is mildly entertaining.

 

[karennina]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hoddle1987
although this particular 'rumour' is bs

vdv has in the past alluded to harry's tactical ineptitude.



I think youll find thats the meaning of alluded.

alluding doesn't just mean not mentioning some thing explicitly. or giving a version of events which could then feasibly be interpreted by someone else as consistent with that thing.
for vdv to have alluded to harry's tactical ineptitude he would have had to deliberately refer to it tacitly or implicitly