Jose Mourinho

[14/04/91]

Start of the season I said he gets til Xmas. I’m changing that to 10 games. If there’s no clear direction or game plan and the players look disinterested then he has to go as it will get toxic very very quickly and we all know what Mourinho is like when he’s on a shit run. Blameless.

That's a week on Tuesday then....!

 

[E17yid]

That's a week on Tuesday then....!

Ha ha, fuck, is it? Ok, I meant 10 league games. When does that take us up to, the weekend after?

 

[Enfieldspurs1985]

I always smile when people put Bergwijn in with our best 3-4 players . Its based on very little and is a dream that he's any more than a squad player imo.

However key point made here . JM is used to working with the best technical/creative players . His job (as he sees it) is to keep it tight and let them do it without interference . Fine , if they are world class creatives ...

This MO aint gonna bring us success unless we buy the best .

This is true Mourinho has always used world class creative players to cover that he does not have an attacking idea. His tactics are keep it tight At that back and let the creative players attack. What worries me is we have what people on here say a winning mentality manager, A world class tactician and every time the opposition sets up differently to what he expects he is completely stumped. Thought it from day 1 he was not the manager that would take Tottenham to the next step.

I understand that some people are blinded by what Mourinho’s done in the past but come on anyone who watched the drivel we have played since he came please justify how you can back him and forget what he has done elsewhere just what he has done at Spurs. Remember he came in and said we do not need much change to the squad so you cannot blame the players for him not being able to get the best out of them.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

People talking about the recruitment have a point but we still have a great squad: Kane, Son, Ndombele, GLC, Bergwijn etc and Jose should be expected to get a lot out of them. One of my issues with the manager is the lack of attacking rigidity. Offensively we are so fluid, as in there are not enough set patterns, the players are left to create/score using their own initiative and automatisms. This is fine when you pack your team with technical players but we don’t, we play the likes of Dele, Winks, Hojbjerg and Lucas. What I’m saying is, if Jose is going to consistently select players which bring a lower technical level than the ones on the bench he needs to install set patterns of attacking play so it’s easier for us to create. If he warns to maintain these fluid offensive dynamics one of GLC/Ndombele need to play every game and Bergwijn should start too.

Didn’t Jose say he inherited a better squad at Spurs than at United?
If that’s the case then he needs to actually make use of it.

It’s a tough one really. Yesterday was absolute shite, but weren’t we the best team, results wise, when last season resumed?
If so, he is capable of getting the team to work.

 

[emiley heskey]

Yes, it's as simple.

Everton had three central midfielders and James coming inside.

Allis average position was above Kane, as usual running for tap-ins and longballs from centrebacks.

We must fix our midfield and have a creative player behind Kane.

Our coaching team, scout, whole board thinks Alli is the best creative player behind kane ... That is the root of the problem ... When we understand Alli is not creative player, we will solve 75% of our issue .... And some of our fans have the audacity to tell that we are above coutinho, willian, james rodriguez type players lol

 

[NEVILLEB]

All these Manager threads where the fans either think they’re amazing or hopeless. They fill up over a few years until the Manager is fired and a new thread is opens. They are all the same.

The problem is Daniel Levy’s management. We have a disjointed squad full of average purchases. Players bought because the deal was good and they were available rather than because they would improve the team and were available. If a player like Aurier isn’t wanted by his club thats a warning sign. Sissoko played in a team that was relegated. Ndombele was known to be lazy off the ball. Moura wasn’t playing for his team. They are all ok but they aren’t at the level we are supposed to be signing.

Put pressure on Daniel Levy to change rather than the Managers or these issues will never change.

 

[Enfieldspurs1985]

All these Manager threads where the fans either think they’re amazing or hopeless. They fill up over a few years until the Manager is fired and a new thread is opens. They are all the same.

The problem is Daniel Levy’s management. We have a disjointed squad full of average purchases. Players bought because the deal was good and they were available rather than because they would improve the team and were available. If a player like Aurier isn’t wanted by his club thats a warning sign. Sissoko played in a team that was relegated. Ndombele was known to be lazy off the ball. Moura wasn’t playing for his team. They are all ok but they aren’t at the level we are supposed to be signing.

Put pressure on Daniel Levy to change rather than the Managers or these issues will never change.

I totally agree that Daniel Levy is to blame but even if we invest more we are never going to spend the amount needed for Mourinho to win anything.

 

[emiley heskey]

I totally agree that Daniel Levy is to blame but even if we invest more we are never going to spend the amount needed for Mourinho to win anything.

Give mourinho coutinho and bale for one season loan deal rather than having blind trust on dele ali and lucas moura, our 85% problems will be solved

 

[jurgen]

Yet again it appears our players are getting away without much criticism. We saw these exact performances under Poch and we are still seeing them under Mourinho. Therefore, if Mourinho is as bad as everyone thinks in here then I can only assume that Poch is equally terrible and a past it coach? It can't be both Poch is great, Mou is sh*t when the players are playing the same way.

The entire blame has to go on to the players. They didn't even want to run yesterday, Dele Alli continues to think he is a world superstar and yet his first touch is always so horrendous. He needs to go back to basics. Generally as a club our recruitment has been poor, we lost Dembele and never replaced him and then we lost Eriksen and have not replaced him.

We have also been incredibly unlucky with continuous injuries to players in key positions and the fact that TN hasn't settled.

I'm not going to sit here and say that Mou is the best manager ever etc etc however people branding him rubbish and all that are purely saying it based on the brand of football. Since Mou took over he has amassed the 5th most points in the league, only 2 behind 4th place and when you think of how many games we were without Kane, Son, Lloris & GLC that is relatively impressive. We were incredibly poor yesterday there is no denying that but people calling for him to go need to realise that a) it isn't going to happen anytime soon and b) you are saying this after 1 game this season, 1 game.

I have never wanted our fan base to become so entitled that we have a manager who has the 5th best record in the league while missing key players is deemed rubbish and we deserve so so much better, and these same people still pine for Pochettino who was absolutely horrendous in his last 18 months but because they like him he is deemed as not a failure. Just doesn't add up.

I think your point is fair, but if you're going to discuss points and not performances then we were sitting pretty in 2nd place behind Liverpool on Boxing Day 2018, meaning our drop off in the league with 'horrendous' Poch was only 11 months before his sacking, not the 18 months or even 2 years that the BSoDL have massaged things into.

Obviously the fight and character shown by the players in the CL run is also being remembered as it showed that they could still turn things on.

So it certainly isn't as clean cut as you're saying. I definitely agree the players have a lot to answer for, and the chairman even more so, but it's worrying that even last season when we did get a reasonable amount of points with Mourinho we also had some performances that were like yesterday.. last game of last season we were hanging on for a draw with mighty Palace to get into the Europa..

 

[GarlicBread]

Not really fair to judge them after the turbulent season we had last season is it? Dembele and Eriksen never came in and performed at a heights they reached from the off.

Eriksen got 7 premier league goals in his first year, and that was the AVB/Sherwood year, so arguably when the club was even more of a shambles.
It’s fair to say Dembele took a few years to become as good as he did but he certainly showed more than Ndombele has in his first year.

 

[teok]

Trying to play defensive football with a team that isn't suited to it.

 

[Enfieldspurs1985]

Give mourinho coutinho and bale for one season loan deal rather than having blind trust on dele ali and lucas moura, our 85% problems will be solved

Coutinho is not available

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Our coaching team, scout, whole board thinks Alli is the best creative player behind kane ... That is the root of the problem ... When we understand Alli is not creative player, we will solve 75% of our issue .... And some of our fans have the audacity to tell thay we are above coutinho, willian, james rodriguez type players lol

So spot on.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

All these Manager threads where the fans either think they’re amazing or hopeless. They fill up over a few years until the Manager is fired and a new thread is opens. They are all the same.

The problem is Daniel Levy’s management. We have a disjointed squad full of average purchases. Players bought because the deal was good and they were available rather than because they would improve the team and were available. If a player like Aurier isn’t wanted by his club thats a warning sign. Sissoko played in a team that was relegated. Ndombele was known to be lazy off the ball. Moura wasn’t playing for his team. They are all ok but they aren’t at the level we are supposed to be signing.

Put pressure on Daniel Levy to change rather than the Managers or these issues will never change.

DL also hired Jose, who in turns has us playing like cowards.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

If I'm a player being told to play like we are god it must be so frustrating and boring, just saying...

 

[Hakkz]

Haha some of the names being bandied about to replace Jose, we are such a deluded bunch. Them days are gone, we're signing mediocre players and we're a mediocre football team.

A mediocre club really.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Yes agree mate, the players are responsible for that yesterday, Mourinho as well.

Second half was a shambles. Let's hope we don't see anything like that again.

I think the reaction on the site is to do with the context...ie what we saw last season and this being the first game of a new season and its more of the same, second half even worse.

Let's just hope we can kick on quickly and forget that yesterday.

This is true.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Remember when we lost to Newcastle on the opening game back in the AVB years I think. We just shrugged and accepted it as irritating but normal for a Europa level team in which wages dictate that we'll end up between 7th and 5th most seasons.

Reminded me of that yesterday.

We're nothing special now, just reverting to type. Accepting that is key.

Only by lucking out with a new Poch era will we hit those heights again. Certainly not through on pitch investment because we ain't and we'll never be that kind of club.

Big difference is that 1) the transfer market is still open, and 2) the manager hasn't even been at the club for a year. So I differences are bigger than the parallels.

 

[yido_number1]

This team is crying out for Ndombele to become the player we signed. Totally lacking dynamic forward passing at pace and different ideas. Our midfield was so poor yesterday. It was like playing fifa with some buttons missing.

 

[emiley heskey]

So spot on.

Just remove dele ali, play one leg or half fit coutinho or James rodriguez behind kane, and we will see how much chance kane and son get in every match ... We are just being clouded by the fact that we have so many on field issues which is partly true but 75% of the problem on the field is the hole behind kane .... Just have someone like grealish/eriksen/james/coutinho or even any decent low level creative player there(pappu gomez/buendia), we will see other parts of the pitch is not actually big problem anymore ... I really really hope mourinho starts slagging dele ali publicly now just like he did with Ndombele ... I like to see the reaction Alli gives ...