Interesting BBC Article

[nicdic]

We have because now we have installed a proper scouting system which has been able to spot English talent at a cheap price. When we hired Ramos, AVB and Redknapp, I think there was little thought given to long term strategy. Ramos and AVb were brought in to get quick success and Redknapp was a stopgap that turned out to be one of our best managers.

Two players in two seasons out of how many signings is "buying English" as a model?

The very fact that we redeveloped the academy so long ago now, and have been working hard at making it work shows that it's not some flash in the pan model that we'll just move on from in a year or two. It's 10 years old or more now, and it's paying the dividends that were hoped for.

You have a problem. You can't accept anything for what it is. You have to take a cynical view on everything, even when it's a ridiculous point of view to get to. You've become a caricature of yourself. It's a shame, because we do genuinely seem to have things to be legitimately pleased with right now, and things to be hopeful about. It's sad that you'd rather project this Levy-shaped shadow over everything rather than just enjoy it.

 

[Mullers]

We aren't sure.

We're living in the moment.

Come join us Mullers...it's honestly more fun than sitting on the sidelines waiting for the next disaster so that you can unleash your next anti-Levy tirade.

I promise you.

Do you really think what I am saying is an anti Levy tirade? I haven't even mentioned him.

 

[Mullers]

Two players in two seasons out of how many signings is "buying English" as a model?

I don't think it's specifically about buying English, it's looking for the best talent around the world at a cheap price. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I support it my point is we shouldn't have broken off from what we are doing for the sake of quick success.

The very fact that we redeveloped the academy so long ago now, and have been working hard at making it work shows that it's not some flash in the pan model that we'll just move on from in a year or two. It's 10 years old or more now, and it's paying the dividends that were hoped for.

I'm not saying the academy is a flash in the pan model but in order for it to pay dividends we need everybody in the club to be on the same page and create a proper environment for the academy to flourish.

You have a problem. You can't accept anything for what it is. You have to take a cynical view on everything, even when it's a ridiculous point of view to get to. You've become a caricature of yourself. It's a shame, because we do genuinely seem to have things to be legitimately pleased with right now, and things to be hopeful about. It's sad that you'd rather project this Levy-shaped shadow over everything rather than just enjoy it.

I don't accept things I am not sure about, I prefer to analyse the evidence and question it, if that means I'm not one of the cool kids so be it. It also doesn't mean I'm not pleased with the way things going.

 

[nicdic]

I don't think it's specifically about buying English, it's looking for the best talent around the world at a cheap price. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I support it my point is we shouldn't have broken off from what we are doing for the sake of quick success.

I'm not saying the academy is a flash in the pan model but in order for it to pay dividends we need everybody in the club to be on the same page and create a proper environment for the academy to flourish.

I don't accept things I am not sure about, I prefer to analyse the evidence and question it, if that means I'm not one of the cool kids so be it. It also doesn't mean I'm not pleased with the way things going.

If you are happy about it, why not say? Why try to put a dampener on everything?

 

[Hazelton]

There's so many positive articles coming out about us lately. It makes a change to all of the negative ones we've read in the past. I don't care how long it'll last, I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

 

[Mullers]

If you are happy about it, why not say? Why try to put a dampener on everything?

If I said I was happy about the way things were going than listed my concerns, would that make a difference to you? I think not. Like I said in one of my posts I thought twice about posting in this thread because it was clear that it's not one of those threads made for different points of view, for discussion to take place.
I'm not going into the Amnesty thread every time to post a unpopular view, screw that. I took time to explain the reasoning behind my views at least try and discuss them.

 

[nicdic]

If I said I was happy about the way things were going than listed my concerns, would that make a difference to you? I think not. Like I said in one of my posts I thought twice about posting in this thread because it was clear that it's not one of those threads made for different points of view, for discussion to take place.
I'm not going into the Amnesty thread every time to post a unpopular view, screw that. I took time to explain the reasoning behind my views at least try and discuss them.

But it essentially boiled down to you not trusting Levy to stick with it. It's a flash in the pan in your eyes.

 

[Misfit]

The reason we are at where we are is because we started our youth focud way before the rules in 2012 were put into place. If you think it should take 3 years to reap benefits of overhauling the academy system, you're an idiot. Thats why trying to change it again now is so fucking shortsighted, i cant even begin to explain it. Give it time. We got at least a 5 year head start on the 2012 rules and its taken us until 2013/2014 to see it start to take hold. Not enough waa done though becasue chelseas abuse of the system has only gotten worse.

yep. We started the yoof stuff yonks ago, probably not long after ENIC arrived. A couple of false starts but the Ifils etc started coming through mid-00's. Townsend, TC and Harry arrived a few years back and now bang, the first, of hopefully many, properly formed graduates is with us and will hopefully cause us some good headaches going forward.

I expect it to get better now the new training centre makes us an even better prospect for the kids.

 

[Mullers]

But it essentially boiled down to you not trusting Levy to stick with it. It's a flash in the pan in your eyes.

I've already said the academy itself is not a flash in the pan, over the course of time as Dogs of War has said, the players coming out of it has improved.

My concerns are:

1. That our transfer policy is not tied in with our youth set up, when we buy we should be mindful of the players we have coming through.
2. That we will deviate away from what we are doing now in the future.

I think I have legitimate reasons to be concerned about these things. It doesn't just boil down to Levy sticking with it, it's about the board, Poch, Mitchell, academy coaches being on the same page at this moment in time.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Chelsea's club trained seems high. Surely they've only got Terry who is club trained?

No Crufts take care of his training needs.

 

[Wiener]

Remember when we used to sign young English talent, then we stopped? Interesting article here.
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/spurs-and-english-players.98914/
How are people sure that the current strategy will be continued once the new stadium is built or even before then if Poch has to go for some reason?

You do realise you are complaining about the future. Somewhat absurd.

 

[Mullers]

You do realise you are complaining about the future. Somewhat absurd.

We've changed strategy before, so why is me expressing doubt about us keeping to the current strategy absurd?

 

[Sweech]

We've changed strategy before, so why is me expressing doubt about us keeping to the current strategy absurd?

We've been relegated before.

Does that justify me posting in threads worrying about relegation?

 

[Mullers]

We've been relegated before.

Does that justify me posting in threads worrying about relegation?

Only if we were relegated during the ENIC era.

 

[Bulletspur]

Let's be honest his strategy since being chairman has flitted from one approach to another, so to attribute this to a long term plan may be overplaying it a bit.

But yes the Academy is obviously doing well, which has been a long term strategy, and that will all be helped by the impressive training facilities which were also part of a longer term plan.

Isn't this a bit contradictory?

 

[parj]

The reason we are at where we are is because we started our youth focud way before the rules in 2012 were put into place. If you think it should take 3 years to reap benefits of overhauling the academy system, you're an idiot. Thats why trying to change it again now is so fucking shortsighted, i cant even begin to explain it. Give it time. We got at least a 5 year head start on the 2012 rules and its taken us until 2013/2014 to see it start to take hold. Not enough waa done though becasue chelseas abuse of the system has only gotten worse.

You sir understand real life. Short term strategies lead to us wasting £85m... Medium/long term strategies give us what we have today.

 

[spurs9]

I'm surprised that we have a higher % of active internationals than Man City.

 

[spurs9]

I'm guessing they're just using the registered squad of 25 to calculate these stats. If so, our figures won't include Bentaleb and now Onomah as club trained players making PL appearances.

Also worth noting that Arsenal's 'club-trained' players include Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Ramsey who have combined transfer fees of nearly £30m.

They have included 19 y/o Ruben Loftus-Cheek for Chelsea, so they probably included all players that have made a match day squad or played mins.

 

[Bulletspur]

I'm surprised that we have a higher % of active internationals than Man City.

I was thinking the same thing . With their financial resources I assumed that at least their first 15 squad members would be full internationals.

 

[spurs9]

The reason we are at where we are is because we started our youth focud way before the rules in 2012 were put into place. If you think it should take 3 years to reap benefits of overhauling the academy system, you're an idiot. Thats why trying to change it again now is so fucking shortsighted, i cant even begin to explain it. Give it time. We got at least a 5 year head start on the 2012 rules and its taken us until 2013/2014 to see it start to take hold. Not enough waa done though becasue chelseas abuse of the system has only gotten worse.

You are right to a degree, but these rules were put in place as there was a belief the talent was already in the academies, they just weren't getting the chance. Another point to look at is the article states the % has actually decreased in the last year.

I think the rule by itself had actually been detrimental to the initial cause, as we now have a situation where clubs with good academies, like West Brom, are having there players poached by the likes of Chelsea and Liverpool (Isaiah Brown had already made his debut for WB 2 years ago), so not only are those players less likely to get a chance, but clubs like West Brom are going to get deterred from investing so much in the academy, if other clubs can just easily poach their players. The FA needs to come up with a way to stop this from happening.