Harry Winks - Leicester City

[punkisback]

All we seem to produce is a mason winks type player it’s baffling ! Also none of them ever come through seem to have any sort of strength even the ones now like Harvey white etc another mason winks type

I know right? Goody two shoes central midfielders who are tidy and are top lads! Where are our mercurial skill full players that are supposed to be in our DNA! A lot of other teams seem to be able to develop them. Definitely something wrong with our youth set up.
Still think a Mason was the best of the lot, played with a real fire in his belly at times was was proud to play for us.

 

[chinaman]

I think a lot has to do with money. I read in the past that a few of the Chelscum youth were on 30K a week before they were in the 1st team squad, and I'm quite sure that the Greenwoods and Foden were on much better pay than our youths. Bentaleb was on 800 pounds a week for his 1st contract and even Madison was said to be on 7k a week as a junior. It's simply we don't pay enough to attract the very top talent.

 

[whitesocks]

Winks' range of passing is very limited. He knows this, so plays it safe to conserve possession.
Hojbjerg's range of passing is very limited. He knows this, so plays it safe to conserve possession.
Sissoko's range of passing is very limited. He knows this, so plays it safe to conserve possession.

All 3 have a defensive mind set and only come alive when we are out of possession. Once we gain possession, they lose interest. They can have a snooze. Now is the time for the creatives to take control. The passers, The carriers.
Except we haven't got any. (Yes, Ndom can sort of do a job, but doesn't like being kicked and loses interest too.)

It is pointless including any of that 3 in building anything. You need to by-pass them.
So I think it is unfair to pick on them for something they are not able to do. It is not their game.

Winks should be judged on his defensive ability and while he didn't have a great game, he didn't deserve to be picked apart by some retired footballer. In fact he should demand a right to reply. That would take some balls but he'd be respected for it.

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

Serious question.

What does Harry Winks do?

He receives the ball and then passes it back or sideways.

Can he tackle?

Does he dribble?

Good in the air?

Is he a goal threat?

Someone enlighten me please

Shit,back n sideways, no, no, no, no

 

[Mannnos]

I have been watching Winks' rubbish for years, and was so glad to see mourinho freeze him out and hear ITK say he was likely on his way out. Watching the game on the weekend I sat there much like carra thinking this is a person with no sense of fundamentals and a coward of a player. If you go back and watch the first 15 minutes of the game quickly it gives you a snap shot of exactly what he is, you actually dont need to watch more. Carra's clips are all from the first 15 minutes because it actually provides more then enough examples, and we all know from watching 90 and + a few years nothing changed. Here is 4 screen shots that 1 coach needs to look at to say sell him.

How is any midfielder in a team that is trying to push for champions league going to leave his CB on an island and not want the ball. He is meant to be a ball player, on the ball at every sniff of an opportunity for that to happen. Yet he hides and provides no angles or options for anyone to play to him.

Hiding again

Hiding again, if you go back to this time stamp and watch the play if goes back between aldy and dier. He just sits in this pocket right behind the strikers offering no angles and no depth to get on the ball. No body shape position to even suggest to a CB yeah ill have this pass.

Dier ends up going back to Lloris and some how gets out of it, winks in a mile of space. Any competent playing midfielder is demanding this, screaming to get it. Body position facing forward to go forward. He is sooo closed off, never wants it. He does not want this pass, he is scared to receive it. He is just jogging over to look like he is helping, you watch this play as well and it is pitiful. We are out of the press here and can build something, with him we go back into the press. Shocking. Dier should probably just dump the ball into him here, but if I am the CB and my midfielder doesnt want it, i dont trust to give it to him so why would i ever pass it to him unless he is in so much space he cant fuck it up and lead to a goal.

Hopefully gone in the summer to a prem team so we get some cash, but he will quickly be a championship player after that. Can pick out another 10 images like this in the game im sure and probably hundreds over the last few seasons. Wont be sad to see the back of him for @Trix s reasons and mine.

 

[Aphex]

I have been watching Winks' rubbish for years, and was so glad to see mourinho freeze him out and hear ITK say he was likely on his way out. Watching the game on the weekend I sat there much like carra thinking this is a person with no sense of fundamentals and a coward of a player. If you go back and watch the first 15 minutes of the game quickly it gives you a snap shot of exactly what he is, you actually dont need to watch more. Carra's clips are all from the first 15 minutes because it actually provides more then enough examples, and we all know from watching 90 and + a few years nothing changed. Here is 4 screen shots that 1 coach needs to look at to say sell him. View attachment 86200
How is any midfielder in a team that is trying to push for champions league going to leave his CB on an island and not want the ball. He is meant to be a ball player, on the ball at every sniff of an opportunity for that to happen. Yet he hides and provides no angles or options for anyone to play to him. View attachment 86201
Hiding again
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Hiding again, if you go back to this time stamp and watch the play if goes back between aldy and dier. He just sits in this pocket right behind the strikers offering no angles and no depth to get on the ball. No body shape position to even suggest to a CB yeah ill have this pass.
View attachment 86203
Dier ends up going back to Lloris and some how gets out of it, winks in a mile of space. Any competent playing midfielder is demanding this, screaming to get it. Body position facing forward to go forward. He is sooo closed off, never wants it. He does not want this pass, he is scared to receive it. He is just jogging over to look like he is helping, you watch this play as well and it is pitiful. We are out of the press here and can build something, with him we go back into the press. Shocking. Dier should probably just dump the ball into him here, but if I am the CB and my midfielder doesnt want it, i dont trust to give it to him so why would i ever pass it to him unless he is in so much space he cant fuck it up and lead to a goal.

Hopefully gone in the summer to a prem team so we get some cash, but he will quickly be a championship player after that. Can pick out another 10 images like this in the game im sure and probably hundreds over the last few seasons. Wont be sad to see the back of him for @Trix s reasons and mine.

Spot on, he's a coward of a player. He's like this every game, not just Sunday. He has no redeeming qualities at all. God help us if he's still here next season...the club should be doing everything possible to get rid of this guy, stealing a living at Spurs. And to think he's suuposedly one of the players who turned it in under Jose, demanding to play regularly. No wonder we are in such a mess.

 

[wrd]

I didn't mind him starting as basically a placeholder for one of the attacking players with a game plan to stifle City for the majority of the game and then once the game was stretched to bring on the likes of Ndombele or Bale and go for the win. All I felt was needed from those midfielders in the first 70 minutes was to not make an error to gift City the lead.

When he wasn't subbed off and Sissoko was brought on it basically undid the notion of that game plan.

 

[roy@SC]

If winks is here next August I won't be watching our games.

 

[topper]

I have been watching Winks' rubbish for years, and was so glad to see mourinho freeze him out and hear ITK say he was likely on his way out. Watching the game on the weekend I sat there much like carra thinking this is a person with no sense of fundamentals and a coward of a player. If you go back and watch the first 15 minutes of the game quickly it gives you a snap shot of exactly what he is, you actually dont need to watch more. Carra's clips are all from the first 15 minutes because it actually provides more then enough examples, and we all know from watching 90 and + a few years nothing changed. Here is 4 screen shots that 1 coach needs to look at to say sell him. View attachment 86200
How is any midfielder in a team that is trying to push for champions league going to leave his CB on an island and not want the ball. He is meant to be a ball player, on the ball at every sniff of an opportunity for that to happen. Yet he hides and provides no angles or options for anyone to play to him. View attachment 86201
Hiding again
View attachment 86202
Hiding again, if you go back to this time stamp and watch the play if goes back between aldy and dier. He just sits in this pocket right behind the strikers offering no angles and no depth to get on the ball. No body shape position to even suggest to a CB yeah ill have this pass.
View attachment 86203
Dier ends up going back to Lloris and some how gets out of it, winks in a mile of space. Any competent playing midfielder is demanding this, screaming to get it. Body position facing forward to go forward. He is sooo closed off, never wants it. He does not want this pass, he is scared to receive it. He is just jogging over to look like he is helping, you watch this play as well and it is pitiful. We are out of the press here and can build something, with him we go back into the press. Shocking. Dier should probably just dump the ball into him here, but if I am the CB and my midfielder doesnt want it, i dont trust to give it to him so why would i ever pass it to him unless he is in so much space he cant fuck it up and lead to a goal.

Hopefully gone in the summer to a prem team so we get some cash, but he will quickly be a championship player after that. Can pick out another 10 images like this in the game im sure and probably hundreds over the last few seasons. Wont be sad to see the back of him for @Trix s reasons and mine.

He's hiding no more than PEH in those clips and in the last clip I think his position is fine; there is no reason why Dier can't slip the ball round the corner to Winks who has ample space to turn and progress- however, I do think he has regressed since his first breakthrough season where, to be fair he was excellent until getting injured. The question we should be asking is: why the downturn in form; is it purely confidence or did the ankle injury change the way he approached the game?

 

[mumfordspur]

Winks' range of passing is very limited. He knows this, so plays it safe to conserve possession.
Hojbjerg's range of passing is very limited. He knows this, so plays it safe to conserve possession.
Sissoko's range of passing is very limited. He knows this, so plays it safe to conserve possession.

All 3 have a defensive mind set and only come alive when we are out of possession. Once we gain possession, they lose interest. They can have a snooze. Now is the time for the creatives to take control. The passers, The carriers.
Except we haven't got any. (Yes, Ndom can sort of do a job, but doesn't like being kicked and loses interest too.)

It is pointless including any of that 3 in building anything. You need to by-pass them.
So I think it is unfair to pick on them for something they are not able to do. It is not their game.

Winks should be judged on his defensive ability and while he didn't have a great game, he didn't deserve to be picked apart by some retired footballer. In fact he should demand a right to reply. That would take some balls but he'd be respected for it.

You made an error by including Hojbjerg with the other 2.
He does the hard yards that those 2 clowns are
A. Too scared to do
B. Too limited to do
C. A & B
Although I don't disagree with it Hojbjerg as a player is OK+

 

[Aphex]

He's hiding no more than PEH in those clips and in the last clip I think his position is fine; there is no reason why Dier can't slip the ball round the corner to Winks who has ample space to turn and progress- however, I do think he has regressed since his first breakthrough season where, to be fair he was excellent until getting injured. The question we should be asking is: why the downturn in form; is it purely confidence or did the ankle injury change the way he approached the game?

But PEH is actually really good in other areas of his game. You know Winks is supposed to be the ball playing CM in our line up? He's supposed to be the one showing for the ball, and linking play together? Yet he hides.

I am not excusing PEH for that, but at least PEH is actually the destroyer in the team. If Winks hides from the ball, what on earth is he playing for? He's not a defensive tough tackling player is he.

 

[topper]

But PEH is actually really good in other areas of his game. You know Winks is supposed to be the ball playing CM in our line up? He's supposed to be the one showing for the ball, and linking play together? Yet he hides.

I am not excusing PEH for that, but at least PEH is actually the destroyer in the team. If Winks hides from the ball, what on earth is he playing for? He's not a defensive tough tackling player is he.

No he is not - he should be the transition midfielder

 

[Trix]

No he is not - he should be the transition midfielder

Agree he should transitioning as far away from the club as possible.

 

[cjbyid]

Not even sure he'd last at a lower half team.

Extremely average player.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Agree he should transitioning as far away from the club as possible.

Sadly I have to agree. But who will take him on the salary he is on?

 

[Aphex]

No he is not - he should be the transition midfielder

Exactly. The only possible type of player he can be, seeing as he can't defend and he can't score or create, is a transition player. a Transition player than can't pass forward and hides from the ball. Yeah, no thanks, goodbye Winks!

 

[hellava_tough]

It's also disappointing not to see the CBs (Dier and Toby) absolutely beast him for hiding.

You reckon winners like Sergio Ramos or Rio Ferdinand or Carles Puyol would put up with their midfielders doing that?

In many respects it's actually worse than Winks and his crappy performances.

 

[ErikSON]

No he is not - he should be the transition midfielder

I disagree, I feel transitional players are players who thrive in the "choas" moments. Must be able to react quickly to exploit any gaps around them (both offensively and defensively). Sissoko has been our transitional midfielder for the last few years. Great in defensive transitions but a liability when in attack. Compare Sissoko to Winks - who is one of the least mobile players in our squad IMO. Tends to run in straight lines and get beaten easily but changes in direction/pace. Plus offers little in both our and the oppositions 3rd of the pitch

I feel he is a progressive midfield player. However, I don't think his passing abilily is at the level it needs to be. A good example of this type of player is Jorginho. Brilliant at showing for the ball, controlling the tempo, incisive passing and very difficult to press. The gulf in quality between Jorginho and Winks is huge, but to be fair to him I've seen more signs of him trying to improve his game than I have from most of the squad, but all in all i just don't feel he is *good enough* for a top 4 challenging team.

His cameo against Everton still gives me nightmares..

 

[ardiles]

Not even sure he'd last at a lower half team.

Extremely average player.

He’d likely end up being a journey man, wandering aimlessly in the wilderness of the lower clubs.

 

[parj]

I have been watching Winks' rubbish for years, and was so glad to see mourinho freeze him out and hear ITK say he was likely on his way out. Watching the game on the weekend I sat there much like carra thinking this is a person with no sense of fundamentals and a coward of a player. If you go back and watch the first 15 minutes of the game quickly it gives you a snap shot of exactly what he is, you actually dont need to watch more. Carra's clips are all from the first 15 minutes because it actually provides more then enough examples, and we all know from watching 90 and + a few years nothing changed. Here is 4 screen shots that 1 coach needs to look at to say sell him. View attachment 86200
How is any midfielder in a team that is trying to push for champions league going to leave his CB on an island and not want the ball. He is meant to be a ball player, on the ball at every sniff of an opportunity for that to happen. Yet he hides and provides no angles or options for anyone to play to him. View attachment 86201
Hiding again
View attachment 86202
Hiding again, if you go back to this time stamp and watch the play if goes back between aldy and dier. He just sits in this pocket right behind the strikers offering no angles and no depth to get on the ball. No body shape position to even suggest to a CB yeah ill have this pass.
View attachment 86203
Dier ends up going back to Lloris and some how gets out of it, winks in a mile of space. Any competent playing midfielder is demanding this, screaming to get it. Body position facing forward to go forward. He is sooo closed off, never wants it. He does not want this pass, he is scared to receive it. He is just jogging over to look like he is helping, you watch this play as well and it is pitiful. We are out of the press here and can build something, with him we go back into the press. Shocking. Dier should probably just dump the ball into him here, but if I am the CB and my midfielder doesnt want it, i dont trust to give it to him so why would i ever pass it to him unless he is in so much space he cant fuck it up and lead to a goal.

Hopefully gone in the summer to a prem team so we get some cash, but he will quickly be a championship player after that. Can pick out another 10 images like this in the game im sure and probably hundreds over the last few seasons. Wont be sad to see the back of him for @Trix s reasons and mine.

The first 3 are screenshots from a goal kick. Man city had players between our defence midfield expecting a short kick. If Winks comes any shorter he will just bring another man city player with him. Defence should have gone long if needed.

He played ok and didn't really add anything going forward but it wasn't only him.