Harry Winks - Leicester City

[Rout-Ledge]

I don’t think you’re getting close to 100mil for those three

Alli would have to really impress on a loan spell. He could potentially be worth up to £50m. If Levy could pick up £50m combined for Winks and Sanchez I’d be seriously impressed. They’re probably worth more like £35m (combined) currently.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

But extremely average footballer.

Come on that is hyperbolic. Extremely average footballers don't regularly play for England or become valued squad members at Spurs.

His skillset is clearly more suited to a possession-based side rather than one based on counter-attacking and transitions. This is the issue right now. It doesn't make him 'extremely average' it just means his key skillset doesn't fit our current philosophy. As i've stated previously, I could easily see him going to Man City or a top side on the continent and not looking out of place.

 

[dontcallme]

Last Summer Emiliano Martinez was bought for £20m, Eze £19.5m, Godfrey £25m, Ake £41m.

Talking of player's worth is often nonsensical. The price will largely be determined by the wealth of the club interested. There's every chance a good Prem club could be interested in Alli, Winks but possibly not Sanchez. There's a good amount of money to recoup if we sold them.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

If people actually bother to use their eyes and also look at the stats rather than only seeing when winks takes a safe option and then having a hissy fit like DT on AFTV they would see that he is one of the most progressive players in the league from his position. I agree he doesn't have a place in our current system but he's a good footballer and at a club that played around him he would excel. I think people are so desperate to blame him for the failings of the team under the last year of poch etc they refuse to see anything good that he does. The amount of people who say he lacks pace? Did Fifa tell you that? because he covers a lot of ground and is very quick on the break when he gets the chance. He lacks bite in the challenge and strength ad those are two weaknesses that we don't have space to carry in our new style but as I have said before some of the names that people claim are better than him is just disrespectful to a good footballer trying to play a role he isn't suited for.

Bingo

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Come on that is hyperbolic. Extremely average footballers don't regularly play for England or become valued squad members at Spurs.

His skillset is clearly more suited to a possession-based side rather than one based on counter-attacking and transitions. This is the issue right now. It doesn't make him 'extremely average' it just means his key skillset doesn't fit our current philosophy. As i've stated previously, I could easily see him going to Man City or a top side on the continent and not looking out of place.

From one extreme to the other. Man City? Let’s be realistic here. He wouldn’t get a chance there, and probably wouldn’t get into the other top 6 teams squads either.

I really don’t know where you’re coming from that his “skillset” just doesn’t work in our system, it didn’t fit in Poch’s system either which is almost the polar opposite of how we play now. And there are other, even more average footballers, who play for England too so that has no relevance to how good he is either.

That being said, I do agree that he isn’t completely useless as a footballer. His skillset would require a team to be built around him with others doing the work so he can play more progressively and even then I don’t think he would set the world on fire like Grealish would in the same position and circumstance.

There is no team in the top 8 who would build their team around Winks, it’s really as simple as that. If he wasn’t from our academy and played for another team we wouldn’t even pay attention to him. That screams average too me.

And I’m not trying to get into an argument about it either, you can have your perspective on him and I’ll have mine. I’ll still support him for as long as he plays in our shirt.

 

[DCSPUR]

Can't see Sissoko leaving

think that inevitably there will have to be a way to raise a little money to refresh the squad and the window on getting money back on MS is closing. PSG for eg could spend some wedge on him...
odds increase because neither Foyth nor CCV suggest that they will be sold next summer - loans aren't going well

 

[George94]

Last Summer Emiliano Martinez was bought for £20m, Eze £19.5m, Godfrey £25m, Ake £41m.

Talking of player's worth is often nonsensical. The price will largely be determined by the wealth of the club interested. There's every chance a good Prem club could be interested in Alli, Winks but possibly not Sanchez. There's a good amount of money to recoup if we sold them.

First of all, just want to say, I rate Harry Winks and think he's a good player to have in the squad.

The trouble is, unless we can make a swap deal happen, the only clubs that could afford to pay Harry Winks' market value are our 'top 6' competitors and I can't see us doing that.

So we either have to look to sell him abroad, or take a financial hit and sell to a mid table club. But why should we sell below his market value? Would he want to go to a mid table club? He's a 24 year old England international. You're looking at at least £45+ imo, especially when you've got the likes of Ollie Watkins going to Villa for £30m from the Championship.

 

[dontcallme]

First of all, just want to say, I rate Harry Winks and think he's a good player to have in the squad.

The trouble is, unless we can make a swap deal happen, the only clubs that could afford to pay Harry Winks' market value are our 'top 6' competitors and I can't see us doing that.

So we either have to look to sell him abroad, or take a financial hit and sell to a mid table club. But why should we sell below his market value? Would he want to go to a mid table club? He's a 24 year old England international. You're looking at at least £45+ imo, especially when you've got the likes of Ollie Watkins going to Villa for £30m from the Championship.

He comes across as a guy who wants to play and has international aspirations.

Tottenham Hotspur F.C. 2023 Salary Cap

Tottenham Hotspur F.C. 2023 payroll table, including breakdowns of salaries, bonuses, incentives, weekly wages, and more.

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I don't know how accurate the above link is but that has his salary at £50k. There are numerous mid-table sides who could cover that salary and play him regularly.

We might not get £45m for him but as he seemingly has no place in our team anything above £30m has to be seen as good business for us.

 

[chinaman]

He comes across as a guy who wants to play and has international aspirations.

Tottenham Hotspur F.C. 2023 Salary Cap

Tottenham Hotspur F.C. 2023 payroll table, including breakdowns of salaries, bonuses, incentives, weekly wages, and more.

www.spotrac.com

I don't know how accurate the above link is but that has his salary at £50k. There are numerous mid-table sides who could cover that salary and play him regularly.

We might not get £45m for him but as he seemingly has no place in our team anything above £30m has to be seen as good business for us.

I think there was word about 50,000 pounds a week when he signed that new contract and he said something like he could not believe Poch and the Club treated him so well right after his very serious injury.

 

[spids]

I actually think he's quite good at being "tactically defensive". I often see him running into the right gaps and spaces to try and nullify opposing attacks and counters, it's just his quality really lets him down. He either gets his angles wrong, gets a little too excited to close someone down and never really quite gets there or his lack of athletic gifts (pace or power) let him down. Plus that little bit of defensive nous isn't there for when to try and play the ball and when to simply blast it into row Z and playing next to someone like Hojbjerg who really gets it makes it even more obvious.

So ... from what you’ve said, other than your first sentence, you don’t think he’s very good at being tactically defensive (wrong angles, timing, decision making etc.). ?

I agree he’s keen and eager defensively, he is just not very good. It’s all about positioning, timing and decision making. And you’re right, Højbjerg really does those things well and it shows Winks up.

 

[Sweech]

So ... from what you’ve said, other than your first sentence, you don’t think he’s very good at being tactically defensive (wrong angles, timing, decision making etc.). ?

I agree he’s keen and eager defensively, he is just not very good. It’s all about positioning, timing and decision making. And you’re right, Højbjerg really does those things well and it shows Winks up.

To me “tactics” is 90% positioning. Which as I’ve said he has down. Things like angles and timing are skill/athletic based. ie the wrong angle can be the right one for a faster player and the same goes for timing.

It’s one of the issues I have with Sanchez. For a CB he still shows poor judgment of when he can win the ball and when he can’t. Something that someone like Alderweireld is fantastic at.

 

[spids]

To me “tactics” is 90% positioning. Which as I’ve said he has down. Things like angles and timing are skill/athletic based. ie the wrong angle can be the right one for a faster player and the same goes for timing.

It’s one of the issues I have with Sanchez. For a CB he still shows poor judgment of when he can win the ball and when he can’t. Something that someone like Alderweireld is fantastic at.

I agree what makes a player good defensively (tactically) is positioning, but for me that is effectively the same as timing and angles etc. All part of reading the game. Winks simply does not have this (positioning) in his locker. You yourself said he gets the wrong side or is over enthusiastic, and that is spot on - and why he is poor defensively from a tactical perspective. He’s also poor defensively from a physical perspective (size and strength). His one asset is he has great speed over short distances, and with better positioning and better reading of the game he could be a lot better defensively. Look at Kante and Makele - both physically similar to Winks, but they read the game better. As does Hojbjerg.

Totally agree with your Sanchez comments. I was putting this largely down to age / experience, but Sanchez has gone backwards since his Wembley season which makes me think he just does not have the same quality defensive ‘brain’ as Toby.

 

[bubble07]

Winks would be a good fit for villa

 

[hutchiniho]

Winks would be a good fit for villa

Dele and Winks for Grealish ?

 

[Neon_Knight_]

He plays very well with Los celso, if we loose kane and son we might have to change our style and Wink or Ali might be ideal

Somehow I think we're more likely to lose Ali and Winks than Kane and Son.

 

[dtxspurs]

Dele and Winks for Grealish ?

would be incredible but will never happen.

 

[EQP]

Wonder if we'll see him on the bench for the Liverpool game.

 

[Yiddo21]

Dele and Winks for Grealish ?

Haha, the only way Grealish gets in our team is if he drops Ndombele. In which case we're just sacrificing one creative player for another.
Love to see him here but not with this manager.

 

[beats1]

Controversial opinion, I wish he played today

Sissoko is the much better player when play against a big side but against the likes of Palace and we are struggling to move the ball around. I rather have him passing then sissoko, who takes a second too long to pass which gives the other team enough time to man mark the front 4

 

[hutchiniho]

Haha, the only way Grealish gets in our team is if he drops Ndombele. In which case we're just sacrificing one creative player for another.
Love to see him here but not with this manager.

Keep dreaming hey.
He could easily play either side of the front three, as he does for Villa atm. But think you're right, he's best in the ACM