Gift Orban

[Caco]

We’re a long time trying to shift deadwood it seems. Starting to wonder is it a case that clubs don’t want the hassle of dealing with Levy rather than our surplus players being so bad.

 

[Dunc2610]

We’re a long time trying to shift deadwood it seems. Starting to wonder is it a case that clubs don’t want the hassle of dealing with Levy rather than our surplus players being so bad.

I should imagine asking price and wages is a stumbling block, specially for someone like N'Dombele. Even Rodon went out on loan rather than a straight sale and he's barely kicked a ball for us.

 

[bbunc]

We’re a long time trying to shift deadwood it seems. Starting to wonder is it a case that clubs don’t want the hassle of dealing with Levy rather than our surplus players being so bad.

No. Our deadwood are crap players on huge wages. They are last resort options for other teams and those teams are going to want the best deal they can get to have to stomach taking these players on.

add that to most of these guys having an inflated view of where they stand and where they are willing to play (or being a year away from a free agent move) and it was always going to be almost impossible to move them at all or at least until the closing days of the window

 

[Caco]

Harry Winks as an example, Levy initially wanted £40m, when he could have easily shifted an academy player for half that, in the end went to Leicester for £10m. Could put the stadium naming rights into the same bracket, Levy has a figure in mind, as a result we're 4 years without naming rights deal for arguably one of the best sporting arenas in the world.

 

[KingNick]

Lots of context , some of which you missed to suit your argument to be fair.

This isnt a thread for the big picture but in terms of strikers I dont think people who want Kane replaced are being outlandish and they can certainly make an argument considering Kane's contribution that mid table beckons.

It's all about opinions I guess as I'd like to get someone like Orban ( a young up and coming striker) and go all out for a winger who can play either flank and beat a man but that looks unlikely too.

We got one last week. With a better pedigree imo.

 

[Albertbarich]

We got one last week. With a better pedigree imo.

Well Ange has said he's not ready to be involved so I'd like one to put pressure on Richy/Son this season.

 

[KingNick]

Well Ange has said he's not ready to be involved so I'd like one to put pressure on Richy/Son this season.

And you think that should be one with even less first team experience and experience around a professional club generally ?

 

[KingNick]

Harry Winks as an example, Levy initially wanted £40m, when he could have easily shifted an academy player for half that, in the end went to Leicester for £10m. Could put the stadium naming rights into the same bracket, Levy has a figure in mind, as a result we're 4 years without naming rights deal for arguably one of the best sporting arenas in the world.

When did levy want 40m for Harry Winks and where was this reported?

 

[Albertbarich]

And you think that should be one with even less first team experience and experience around a professional club generally ?

No, I said like Orban.

I would presume they like him to challenge the squad u less they're just assembling the best under 23 team strike force in the country

I've freely admitted not seeing Orban beyond clips.

Tell you what kingnick , you tell me how you would like the squad /team being build and we can have a conversation rather than you trying a gotcha moment.

 

[dSSAbr]

Firstly I just want to say that my comparison with Real Madrid is to illustrate my view of the market.

I've never seen this boy play, but it's the kind of policy that even Real Madrid have had to resort to. If they think a talent has a chance of being elite eventually, they don't hesitate to pay 30, 40 or 50 million. Real have realised that they are no longer the most powerful team on the market, despite still being the most desirable destination, they can't wait for elite production to appear and keep buying 120m talents every year.

For a club like ours, the situation is even clearer. We have money, which often doesn't seem to be invested by the club, but we still face unfair competition, we can't play their game all the time. So the purchase of about 2 or 3 players of this profile per window would be ideal for me, one already working out as the scouting network believes, you probably have a player of 100 million or more in the current market.

I know everyone wants production, but production is expensive and names like Vlahovic are expensive without that elite pedigree in my opinion, and if he was clearly elite he would only come to us with UCL (i think). I'm looking at our new project in the medium term, and if we were to turn to more developed players, I believe there are less risky options in defence and midfield than strikers in my opinion.

Bayern's desperation for Kane corroborates my view and many that there isn't a 9 on the market worth 70m, United overpaid even on one who is almost only potential.

 

[Caco]

When did levy want 40m for Harry Winks and where was this reported?

A few years back, think it may have been Everton who enquired when Lampard was in charge.

 

[KingNick]

No, I said like Orban.

I would presume they like him to challenge the squad u less they're just assembling the best under 23 team strike force in the country

I've freely admitted not seeing Orban beyond clips.

Tell you what kingnick , you tell me how you would like the squad /team being build and we can have a conversation rather than you trying a gotcha moment.

I asked you a question, why you would want a player less experienced than one we have just signed, who yourself, say isn’t ready based on Ange’s own comments. Hardly an attempt at a gotcha moment. Just trying to understand the love in that a player with limited experience seems to have.
As for “similar”, I don’t think there are many/any young players we should be bringing in and relying on in support of Richy. Veliz will come along in his own time. Instead, we need a ready made senior CF. The ITK has been that both Muani and Vlahovic were not against moves here. I am not sure PSG can do Muani now given their FFP position and Mbappe staying and their other incomings.

 

[kent brockman]

No. Our deadwood are crap players on huge wages. They are last resort options for other teams and those teams are going to want the best deal they can get to have to stomach taking these players on.

add that to most of these guys having an inflated view of where they stand and where they are willing to play (or being a year away from a free agent move) and it was always going to be almost impossible to move them at all or at least until the closing days of the window

This.
Most of our unwanted players probably need to take a paycut in order to get a move.
Something which most of them IMO only will consider if they would not make our 25-man squad.
We currently have 20 non-HGs (over 21), so at least three will not make the squad.
I believe there will be more movement towards the end of the TW, transfers/loans/ripping up contracts.

 

[SandroClegane]

the silence is almost deafening! Been linked with Orban and ITK to confirm there have been talks. And then ,as is often the way there is a lull in any information. No new ITK, nothing new from the media other than regurgitating the same stories.

Not many credible links to other strikers

I would love to know what is going on! i don't have the patience for this!

We literally signed a striker a week ago.

What makes Veliz different than Orban? They both play in weaker leagues and are high potential signings.

Richy, Son, Scarlett, Veliz appears to be the pecking order right now. If we get Orban, great. But we can afford to wait a few weeks to see if the price comes down. He's not a make or break for our season, and he's DEFINITELY not going to come in and start from day 1.

 

[andyp8080]

We literally signed a striker a week ago.

What makes Veliz different than Orban? They both play in weaker leagues and are high potential signings.

Richy, Son, Scarlett, Veliz appears to be the pecking order right now. If we get Orban, great. But we can afford to wait a few weeks to see if the price comes down. He's not a make or break for our season, and he's DEFINITELY not going to come in and start from day 1.

the difference is we've sold a world class striker since then

 

[KingNick]

A few years back, think it may have been Everton who enquired when Lampard was in charge.

When he was in or out of our match day squad/team?
if it was when he was being used then it seems a bit full of hindsight to suggest he shouldn’t have been asking for 40m (which would not be unrealistic for a regular HG PL midfielder getting in the England squad. Same as the Man United interest in Dier.

I struggle To believe he would have demanded 40m if it was at a time when HW was not even playing.

 

[Albertbarich]

I asked you a question, why you would want a player less experienced than one we have just signed, who yourself, say isn’t ready based on Ange’s own comments. Hardly an attempt at a gotcha moment. Just trying to understand the love in that a player with limited experience seems to have.
As for “similar”, I don’t think there are many/any young players we should be bringing in and relying on in support of Richy. Veliz will come along in his own time. Instead, we need a ready made senior CF. The ITK has been that both Muani and Vlahovic were not against moves here. I am not sure PSG can do Muani now given their FFP position and Mbappe staying and their other incomings.

How would you proceed?

My point was I think we need compensation for Richy and Son but I'd rather go big on a wide player so a younger striker profile fits as they wouldn't demand to play and they would be cheaper than an established striker

 

[The Scarecrow]

Harry Winks as an example, Levy initially wanted £40m, when he could have easily shifted an academy player for half that, in the end went to Leicester for £10m. Could put the stadium naming rights into the same bracket, Levy has a figure in mind, as a result we're 4 years without naming rights deal for arguably one of the best sporting arenas in the world.

Regarding the naming rights, I'm fully on board with not selling our soul for cheap.

 

[KingNick]

How would you proceed?

My point was I think we need compensation for Richy and Son but I'd rather go big on a wide player so a younger striker profile fits as they wouldn't demand to play and they would be cheaper than an established striker

I just said. I think we should go for established CFs like Muani and Vlahovic.

 

[synththfc]

To be honest mate, lots of posters are happy to sell low and buy high just to see deals happening.

A lot easier to spend someone else’s money right?

I don’t disagree. I’m not someone who thinks we should throw money at everything and it will solve all of our problems.

But at some point we have to show some conviction. Do we have a gaping hole at #9 currently? Yes. Do we think this guy is the future? If so, push the boat out and get him in. If not, have the conviction to move on and go down the list. The more time that is lost “negotiating” with a club that has no desire to lose their top player, the less time we have to integrate them and the more points we will drop while we wait for them to sign and fully integrate.

This isn’t specifically about Orban, though he’s a great example, more so a reflection of our policy in general. We (levy and the board) often seem get caught up on one target who they like, but only on their terms, and won’t take that leap of faith to give in the tiniest amount.

We’ve done great securing some of our targets early, and they look like good additions, but every single window we’re left short due to these types of negotiations, homegrown quotas, sell-to-buy priorities, the excuses that come out every window etc., and at the moment this looks to be history repeating itself.