Club Success In Bringing About Substitutes Rule Change

[michaelden]

now let's lobby for a huge stadium :up:

 

[DEFchenkOE]

This is great news, the prem is already predictable and boring with the big four dominating, just maybe this could help other clubs. Besides this is the standard in the majority of European leagues and tournaments so it really is about time this is implemented over here.

 

[Stoof]

Do I understand correctly that this was our idea and that we took it on and as our project?

If so, then huge props to Levy and co. I remember when Comolli came out and had a rant about this - so that's fucking awesome that it's in response to us.

And if, you know, your history,
We're the club that gave you seven suuuu-uuuu--uuu-uuubs. :dance:

 

[idlepete]

Do I understand correctly that this was our idea and that we took it on and as our project?

If so, then huge props to Levy and co. I remember when Comolli came out and had a rant about this - so that's fucking awesome that it's in response to us.

And if, you know, your history,
We're the club that gave you seven suuuu-uuuu--uuu-uuubs. :dance:

I don't think it's in response to us. I think pretty much everyone wanted it. I can remember Mourinho saying he wanted it bought in.

Let's claim it as our idea anyway though.

 

[Stoof]

I don't think it's in response to us. I think pretty much everyone wanted it. I can remember Mourinho saying he wanted it bought in.

Let's claim it as our idea anyway though.

:-(

...

And I came up with the idea that won the game!
Who knocked down the pins?
Oh, I dunno, some guy ... Otto
But can't you see, Marge, it was a team effort and I was the one who came up with the team idea!

 

[BoringOldFan]

Do I understand correctly that this was our idea and that we took it on and as our project?

If so, then huge props to Levy and co. I remember when Comolli came out and had a rant about this - so that's fucking awesome that it's in response to us.

And if, you know, your history,
We're the club that gave you seven suuuu-uuuu--uuu-uuubs. :dance:

I think it did spring from Comolli's idea, Stoof. And also because it's quite common in other European leagues.

I'm hoping that the two extra places will go to cheerleaders. It'll be more fun to watch them warming up than KPB or Taarabt.

 

[Chris12345]

not a bad idea. or perhaps one under 21 and one homegrown or something

Yeah... I emailed F365 about this a while ago but it never got published...

I said that 2 subs should be under 21 and have come thru the academy, this is better than having just under 21, as the vast majority of prem clubs have full teamers under 21... tho that could be stamped out with a limit on how many times someone in one of the "academy" spaces has represented the first team before...

also, you'd get people just sticking their 20 year old academy goalkeeper on the bench or whatever, then having 5 first team subs...

while I think having 7 subs is a great idea, I think with additional clauses to ensure those spots go to young players it could be an even better idea!

 

[jondesouza]

Unless there is a policy you're unlikely to see any extra Academy players on the bench - there will just be more specialisation. If we had seven subs now they'd most likely be:
Robbo, Chimbs, Daws, O'Hara, Hudd, Boateng, Bent

(based on a first XI of: Cerny; Hutton, King, Woodgate, Gilberto; Lennon, Jenas, Tainio, Steed; Keane, Berbs)

Also, choosing substitutes is a managerial skill in itself which has now just been made redundant

 

[Stoof]

Also, choosing substitutes is a managerial skill in itself which has now just been made redundant

Just because he has a greater global number to choose from does not detract from the art of using the right one at the right time.

What a strange thing to say.

Here's Levy on the BBC talking about it ... LEVY INTERVIEW ... also some interesting comments about the headlines today re: Global Premier League games.

Interesting meaning bad. But that's for the other thread.

 

[DJS]

:-(

...

And I came up with the idea that won the game!
Who knocked down the pins?
Oh, I dunno, some guy ... Otto
But can't you see, Marge, it was a team effort and I was the one who came up with the team idea!

Never mind Stoof old bean, have a look at the article below which may cheer you up! :wink:

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/safc/Sunderland-chief-backs-Spurs39-subs.3759705.jp

 

[jondesouza]

Just because he has a greater global number to choose from does not detract from the art of using the right one at the right time.

What a strange thing to say.

I meant choosing which ones to put on the bench in the first place. The new rule has made it easier for less tactically astute managers as they'll have more obvious options for changing things round. So, my point stands I think. :wink:

 

[DC_Boy]

That's a great plan for making football really dull. Thank god there is a reasonably equitable share of TV income as otherwise we really would see a smaller number of teams dominating. (Even more than we do already that is).

that's your view, but obviously not mine - the more often we beat teams like Bolton Boro Rovers Wigan etc (ie the non-supported teams) the more I'll like it -

I can't tell you how dull it was coming back from Cardiff in 2002 - and how joyous it would have been if we'd beaten blackburn

 

[jondesouza]

that's your view, but obviously not mine - the more often we beat teams like Bolton Boro Rovers Wigan etc (ie the non-supported teams) the more I'll like it -

I can't tell you how dull it was coming back from Cardiff in 2002 - and how joyous it would have been if we'd beaten blackburn

So, if the same two teams won everything every season and there was no hope of anybody else winning anything that wouldn't get boring? I know, if it were us, I'd love it for the first few years but after that, well, I don't know. I think it might take the shine off.

 

[nicdic]

Surely it doesn't really make much difference to clubs through the league, you can still only make 3 substitutions.

 

[Yid-ol]

Surely it doesn't really make much difference to clubs through the league, you can still only make 3 substitutions.

why stop at the league? you can only ever make 3 subs in a competative game... it just means teams will now ahve 2 other options on the bench to pick from which is a huge change

 

[nicdic]

Yeah, but whoever it was saying it helps big teams, and things. I think I think its a good change. Good for younger squad players and obviously gives more options. But ultimately, it doesn't really hinder any teams. If you get my point?

 

[Yid-ol]

it does help big teams, well teams with big squads, it means more of there "squad players" can get onto the bench, teams like reading who dont really have deepth in there squad will not gain huge advantage on it due to not having the quality there

 

[nicdic]

It helps big teams as much as anyone else. All teams have to field eleven players. Manchester United can field a stronger team than Derby, but this doesn't mean that rule helps United more, it's fair. Thats down to the quality of their players. Same as with this, it doesn't give any team an edge over the others, stronger teams will get no stronger, and weaker teams will get no weaker because of it. It's benefit is solely down to being able to include more youngsters and have more options available.

 

[Yid-ol]

nic, it wont make any starting 11 stronger, or make teams better, you are totaly right. The new rules will however make the teams with bigger and more quality in deepth stronger on the bench, as they will be alowed to name more options on the bench, diffrent types of players ready to come on for diffrent situations

Some teams will put youngsters onto the bench, but the top teams will buy in more experianced players and have them waiting on the bench making there 18 alot stronger than befor

 

[SpurSince57]

I doubt Metz and Levante consider having to put out seven subs against Lyon and Real places them at any greater disadvantage than having to put out five; or that restricting the big boys to five subs limits their advantage.

We're merely belatedly coming into line with the rest of Europe. And if Levy has been one of the prime movers in this, good on him. I still think he's a bit of a ****, though. :wink: