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Club Success In Bringing About Substitutes Rule Change

PLTuck

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that helps us, but rich clubs will now be even better than poor clubs, so results will be even more predictable. (slightly)

I disagree. Just because some youth player from Derby hasn't caught the public eye yet and made a name for himself, it doesn't mean they aren't going to make an impression. Besides, it'll give those academy players a reason to really push themselves as hopefully this will mean that they have a greater chance of playing in the first team and breaking through.
 

EmperorKabir

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I disagree. Just because some youth player from Derby hasn't caught the public eye yet and made a name for himself, it doesn't mean they aren't going to make an impression. Besides, it'll give those academy players a reason to really push themselves as hopefully this will mean that they have a greater chance of playing in the first team and breaking through.

well consider a club like man u:

5 subs = 1 keeper, 1 defender, 1 midfielder, 1 striker + 1 spare

7 = 1 keeper, 1 centreback, 1 defensive mid, 1 attacking mid, 1 striker, 1 full/wingback, and 1 to fill in any other position you feel could be lacking.

and at a cost of like £20m per sub, how are poor derby expected to break down man u, when a player like carrick might be having a bad day, and can be subbed with a defensive mid, as oppose to either keeping him on, or having to sub on an attacking mid (if that is what was on the bench that day)

Their 18 year old academy player might be good, but with the other derby players around him, he would have to be somebody like gerrard or ronaldinho of a few years back to carry the team by himself.

and that applies to chelsea, man u, arsenal, pool, us, and probably teams like newcastle might benefit now, because they like throwing money around.

Still, more moeny is being pumped into english footy, but there are only so many top players.
 

nickspurs

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That's awesome, wel'll be able to keep Defoe and Bent happy now..... :doh:

But seriously, I think it will suit Ramos' intra-game tactical expertise. Good for us.
 

jondesouza

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I'm totally with Emperor Kabir on this. It's great news for the big four, reasonably good news for us and the teams around us and dreadful for every other club in the division.
 

PT

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If anything the lower clubs with less depth will be more adaptable to promotion from within the ranks. Young players may migrate to those clubs for the potential of the playing opportunities rather than ressies season after season or loan spells in the depths of the league.
 

PLTuck

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well consider a club like man u:

5 subs = 1 keeper, 1 defender, 1 midfielder, 1 striker + 1 spare

7 = 1 keeper, 1 centreback, 1 defensive mid, 1 attacking mid, 1 striker, 1 full/wingback, and 1 to fill in any other position you feel could be lacking.

and at a cost of like £20m per sub, how are poor derby expected to break down man u, when a player like carrick might be having a bad day, and can be subbed with a defensive mid, as oppose to either keeping him on, or having to sub on an attacking mid (if that is what was on the bench that day)

Their 18 year old academy player might be good, but with the other derby players around him, he would have to be somebody like gerrard or ronaldinho of a few years back to carry the team by himself.

and that applies to chelsea, man u, arsenal, pool, us, and probably teams like newcastle might benefit now, because they like throwing money around.

Still, more moeny is being pumped into english footy, but there are only so many top players.

All good points. I didn't mean a 16 year old will come on and carry the team, but it wasn't so long ago that a reletively unknown 16 year old came on and scored a blinder against arsenal. Hopefully this rule will mean this kind of thing might happen a bit more often, making things more unpredictable.

Now if they added a clause which stated that the 2 extra subs had to be homegrown....
 

DC_Boy

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I must say I don't particularly feel sorry for clubs like Derby bolton blackburn etc - fact is these clubs are massively subsidised by Sky money - if clubs could negotiate according to their audiences, clubs like the big 4 and us would get stacks more money -
 

EmperorKabir

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it's not just money though. i'm sure we could match berba's wages to what man u might be offering him, but he will want to move for the glory.

similarly, if you are in france or something and could move to a london club like spurs or blackburn... which is a small not so rich town in some fields basically...

you will pick london.

basically, there already exists a favouritism of clubs between players, and you only need to ask yourself whether you would favour some clubs over another if you were a quality footballer to realise that.

now, the bigger favourited clubs have 2 more spaces to fill with queues and queues of talent, whereas derby etc have to look at their reserves who are on a completely different level to the premier league to fill those spaces.

the gap increases.

still, as PLTuck said before, it would be a good idea if the 2 extra subs had to be homegrown or something.
 

jondesouza

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I must say I don't particularly feel sorry for clubs like Derby bolton blackburn etc - fact is these clubs are massively subsidised by Sky money - if clubs could negotiate according to their audiences, clubs like the big 4 and us would get stacks more money -

That's a great plan for making football really dull. Thank god there is a reasonably equitable share of TV income as otherwise we really would see a smaller number of teams dominating. (Even more than we do already that is).
 

Bill_Oddie

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I'm looking for ward to Bent 'Arry (and Sir Topham Hatt, when he gets a chance to come back to the Premier League) complaining that he doesn't have enough players to fill the subs bench.
 

DFF

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May 17, 2005
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Fact is, at least 14 clubs had to have agreed to it. So there must be a number of clubs who think it doesn't only benefit the top clubs with huge squads.
 
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