coy-spurs1882
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he has no standing to request patience from us until he commits his future with us
Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte
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rabbikeane
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I see your points and agree with them. It is a fact that top 4 is more important than cups these days, we might not like it, but it's a fact.
We are however in a particular position as a club, having not won anything for a long time, club would have done themselves a world of good with the fanbase if they'd taken the FA cup serious this season. It is what it is, think it's more an issue for fans to understand what goes on as their shouts these days often is about winning a cup. They should know that we aren't really trying. As you say, maybe in the future if we get a strong enough squad we can win by default as most of the champions do. Meanwhile the years without trophies keep piling.
You are right about the strength of the squads and depth. Who wins the cups? Mostly Manchester City. They have an insane depth that we probably won't reach.
The others that win it though, like Liverpool etc. I see an issue at Spurs that most of those clubs don't seem to have. Our squad players have been with us for so long that they are basically "dead" players. They know they are reserves, they know they will never get into the team. They are settled in their role as reserves and just go through the motion.
I'd claim that those that step in for Liverpool, United etc. are hungry players that try to fight to get into the team. There's no fight in Sanchez.
A new player will come to compete, if he's not playing after 3 years then it's important to get them out cause we see what effort and drive we get from them.
brasil_spur
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Such a tough one and I keep slipping in and out of the keep Conte / sack Conte camps.
On the one hand achieving top 4 under Conte is all that we can expect if Levy is not backing him properly, which so far he hasn't.
Yes the FA cup exit was a fuck up, we should have got past Sheffield Utd and then gotten through to the semi after beating Blackburn. That being said we could have faced both Manchester clubs in order to win it and frankly I can't see us beating either right now.
I guess i'm in the "IF we get 4th and IF Kane stays and IF Paratici stays and IF Levy agrees to back Conte in the summer" then keeping Conte and building on this season would make sense. But that's a lot of IFs and if just one of those isn't achievable then we need to change things up and appoint someone new.
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Conte has always spoken about important trophies in terms of the League and Champions League. He never includes domestic cups in that. The trouble is once the league is out of reach as it was when we played Sheff Utd we should then switch more focus to winning that.
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This has been the way for the last 47 Spurs managers. I might be exaggerating a bit. It could only be 45
The clubs priority is Top 4. Always has been under Levy. The mentality is fine battling and getting top 4. Cups have become an inconvenience because its not as financially appealing to Levy and Co.
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He needs to stay for me. He's our only hope to holding Levy accountable and moving the club forward on the pitch. Let's not lose sight that Levy is the problem here. If we had the leadership of Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, United, City, Newcastle, Brighton - you name it - the squad would be in immensely better shape right now. If Conte goes, it is another failed experiment of trying to be a big club on the pitch only to be held back by Levy again. Levy will then just appoint whatever puppet he wants to create another charade of attempted glory and drive for success for our 4th place trophy.
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Confusing that Madison doesn’t fit his system, but yet he doesn’t play Danjuma because “he’s not a 10, he’s a winger or second striker”. I don’t really view Deulofeu as any different to Madison and Conte wanted him in January. Son certainly is not a 10 either.
I'm still Conte in. He's still an elite manager. Yes there are times he's frustrating and times where things don't make sense. But he's the man to make the tough calls. The only way I see him staying is if things suddenly change in the board room and the ones for him push to keep him.
His style of football wins trophies without a doubt, its a shame it hasn't worked out fully, but he has made the most of an ok squad to push for top 4 with such average defenders bar Romero and Emerson.
If he is backed the way he needs to be, we can be a great team to watch, but if he isn't going to be backed, then there really is no point him sticking around at all. He's going to end up somewhere else where he will get backed and deliver a title, you can just see it.
Just like Jose, spurs will be the team where trophies didn't happen for him. Problems lie above at board level and things won't change whoever we bring in unfortunately.
His style of football wins trophies without a doubt, its a shame it hasn't worked out fully, but he has made the most of an ok squad to push for top 4 with such average defenders bar Romero and Emerson.
If he is backed the way he needs to be, we can be a great team to watch, but if he isn't going to be backed, then there really is no point him sticking around at all. He's going to end up somewhere else where he will get backed and deliver a title, you can just see it.
Just like Jose, spurs will be the team where trophies didn't happen for him. Problems lie above at board level and things won't change whoever we bring in unfortunately.
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Anyone else just get a “Club Statement” alert from the official app? Got a little excited something major was happening and then it just timed out when trying to open it. I’m guessing it’s got something to do with a new pickle ball court or something.
Update: “Skinner Departs.”
Update: “Skinner Departs.”
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Here is why we will struggle to win a cup with Conte: He is inflexible with his team selection. Only rotates in the league if forced on him. Then you see wholesale changes for domestic cups, and those that come in aren’t game sharp in the slightest.
I may be mistaken, but coaches like Klopp do a pretty good job of rotating two or three players here and there, or getting a solid 30 mins on the field in league games. To keep everyone sharp. Conte is very rigid with team selection. And puts all of his eggs in the League basket.
Like many, I find the football we play to be mind numbingly awful at times. But if he was able to miraculously finish in the top 4 and wanted to stay, I wouldn’t be angry at Daniel for that. However, I would stipulate that he needs to cut out the bullshit with ‘team buy’, etc. He is the bloody team. Not some outside consultant. He needs to show more ownership and accountability and flexibility. If he indicates otherwise, then I would let him leave.
I may be mistaken, but coaches like Klopp do a pretty good job of rotating two or three players here and there, or getting a solid 30 mins on the field in league games. To keep everyone sharp. Conte is very rigid with team selection. And puts all of his eggs in the League basket.
Like many, I find the football we play to be mind numbingly awful at times. But if he was able to miraculously finish in the top 4 and wanted to stay, I wouldn’t be angry at Daniel for that. However, I would stipulate that he needs to cut out the bullshit with ‘team buy’, etc. He is the bloody team. Not some outside consultant. He needs to show more ownership and accountability and flexibility. If he indicates otherwise, then I would let him leave.
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mil1lion
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You could argue Ramos was all about cups over top 4, he won the league cup and then the following season binned off the opening league games ready for the cups to come aroundThis has been the way for the last 47 Spurs managers. I might be exaggerating a bit. It could only be 45
parklane yid
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Formation doesn’t matter, both pep and Arteta start with 433 or 4231 however with Zinchenko and rico Lewis taking up a midfield roll they are mostly playing 3 at the back also.
formation is just default but tactics should allow flexibility. So imo it’s the the starting formation the issue but Conte not allowing flexibility during games. He drills a task and position into every player not allowing the player to express themselves.
ZiggySpurs
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That bit is a bit confusing because I thought that Conte defined a 10 as a support/second striker. Found this online
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Who's going to be Bart's principal now??
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