Jose Mourinho

[jurgen11]

Should have been banned or arrested for chasing that ref into the car park and abusing him..

 

[ljinko888]

You don’t think he’d go for the newer, shinier Nagelsmann? I still think he’s a big name to many despite the weirdness at Bayern.

He walked away from them which led to Poch getting the job if I recall rightly. I can't imagine Nagelsmann at his age will want to be involved in a chaotic situation when he could get many other top jobs when they are available.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Not world class
If he was world class
Technically world class



Anyone else getting confused?

I'm getting confused by which posts are about Jose and which about Bale.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

It was such a shame watching those clips back that the Son-Kane-Bale frontline happened under Jose during Covid. Imagine that with Ange and a full stadium.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Early into both Jose's and Conte's time with us, I expresed the opinion that neither of them were particularly gifted coaches ( I may have used the term "fucking crap"). I stand by that. They were both top class managers in their time, and some teams need that (Man U & Chelsea, right now, probably). What we needed was a coach, and we've got that now. We'll be fine now, so long as we don't start buying players who need a world class manager, and think no coach can teach them anything.

 

[CanadaSpurs]

It was such a shame watching those clips back that the Son-Kane-Bale frontline happened under Jose during Covid. Imagine that with Ange and a full stadium.

I appreciate the sentiment but can’t imagine Ange going for latter day Bale. Those legs weren’t up for the pressing.

 

[kmk]

Translation

#Mourinho : “Our potential is not comparable to that of our rivals fighting for fourth place, but people think I am José Harry Mourinho Potter”

This is from the manager of a team that has Dybala and Lukaku. LOL.

 

[GutBucket]

Translation


This is from the manager of a team that has Dybala and Lukaku. LOL.

They were banned for breaching FFP rules so UEFA imposed 1.5m€ limit for January on their transfer spending. One of the reasons why they couldn't sign Bonucci even on free transfer, and they have couple of injuries at CB position.

 

[Marty]

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Translation


This is from the manager of a team that has Dybala and Lukaku. LOL.

He'll be sacked soon I reckon, usual Jose cycle coming to its end.

He comes in, asks for a ton of money and big wages on big name experienced players, galvanizes the club and fans and squad at first and his gritty football works well in cup competitions, then the honeymoon period wears off, the fans get frustrated and bored, he pisses off the players, league form crashes, Jose increases his outbursts and sulks and eventually the cycle is complete for a nice Rosey pay off.

I won't say he's a 'shit' Manager because you can't have won what he's won and continually get to cup finals if you're totally rubbish but he is outdated and his tactics and man management don't seem to work in the league anymore over a consistent period of a whole season.

Where would he go after this, US, Saudi, Portuguese national team? Back to managing in Portugal? Chelsea, Newcastle?...

 

[allatsea]

He'll be sacked soon I reckon, usual Jose cycle coming to its end.

He comes in, asks for a ton of money and big wages on big name experienced players, galvanizes the club and fans and squad at first and his gritty football works well in cup competitions, then the honeymoon period wears off, the fans get frustrated and bored, he pisses off the players, league form crashes, Jose increases his outbursts and sulks and eventually the cycle is complete for a nice Rosey pay off.

I won't say he's a 'shit' Manager because you can't have won what he's won and continually get to cup finals if you're totally rubbish but he is outdated and his tactics and man management don't seem to work in the league anymore over a consistent period of a whole season.

Where would he go after this, US, Saudi, Portuguese national team? Back to managing in Portugal? Chelsea, Newcastle?...

What does Maureen do with all this money he is given by foolish clubs ?

 

[carmeldevil]

What does Maureen do with all this money he is given by foolish clubs ?

makes dance videos.

 

[rossdapep]

He'll be sacked soon I reckon, usual Jose cycle coming to its end.

He comes in, asks for a ton of money and big wages on big name experienced players, galvanizes the club and fans and squad at first and his gritty football works well in cup competitions, then the honeymoon period wears off, the fans get frustrated and bored, he pisses off the players, league form crashes, Jose increases his outbursts and sulks and eventually the cycle is complete for a nice Rosey pay off.

I won't say he's a 'shit' Manager because you can't have won what he's won and continually get to cup finals if you're totally rubbish but he is outdated and his tactics and man management don't seem to work in the league anymore over a consistent period of a whole season.

Where would he go after this, US, Saudi, Portuguese national team? Back to managing in Portugal? Chelsea, Newcastle?...

Where do people stack him up against the greats?

I remember having a José vs Pep debate all the way back in 2011 and quite a few thought Jose was better.

Yet that was 13 years ago and since then Pep just goes from strength to strength and has inspired coaching all over the world.

José seems to just inspire only his faithful who always say he has been poorly treated by clubs.

Yet I reckon if you put his spending over time in comparison to Pep's it won't be much difference.

The biggest factor us that Pep evolves his teams and focuses on the development. Rarely does Pep bring in the finished article.

José has no patience for that. If a player fucks up, he is back on the bench.

Id also make a case that Jose's era lasted around 10 years. From 2014 he hasnt really been the same, certainly not the man who is able to topple rivals consistently.

Whereas Anceltotti, Pep, Cruyff, Wenger kept going and kept evolving the football landscape.

Jose's football seemed to work much better when it was less about systems and more about individual quality as he'd normally have the best defenders who could just mark players out of the game.

Now that football is more dynamic and defenders are probably not as robust defensively as they need to be able to play, combined with relentless pressing, you can't set your team up to play that way.

Its too tiring and the players lack the mentality to want to defend strong for 90+mins.

Just listen to Dragusin's words when he joined, he is excited about playing and playing aggressively. That means more mistakes and less caution.

Players just dont play that way anymore.

He will probably get a gig at one more big/biggish club as he will air his grievances and blame others whilst someone will be desperate to have him.

But for me, I wouldnt have him up their with the all time great coaches. A winner? Absolutely.

But he hasnt left much of an impression in the game other than a bunch of pragmatic Portuguese coaches.

I am still disappointed in myself for being happy to have him here as I totally went against what Id been saying about him for years

 

[Marty]

Where do people stack him up against the greats?

I remember having a José vs Pep debate all the way back in 2011 and quite a few thought Jose was better.

Yet that was 13 years ago and since then Pep just goes from strength to strength and has inspired coaching all over the world.

José seems to just inspire only his faithful who always say he has been poorly treated by clubs.

Yet I reckon if you put his spending over time in comparison to Pep's it won't be much difference.

The biggest factor us that Pep evolves his teams and focuses on the development. Rarely does Pep bring in the finished article.

José has no patience for that. If a player fucks up, he is back on the bench.

Id also make a case that Jose's era lasted around 10 years. From 2014 he hasnt really been the same, certainly not the man who is able to topple rivals consistently.

Whereas Anceltotti, Pep, Cruyff, Wenger kept going and kept evolving the football landscape.

Jose's football seemed to work much better when it was less about systems and more about individual quality as he'd normally have the best defenders who could just mark players out of the game.

Now that football is more dynamic and defenders are probably not as robust defensively as they need to be able to play, combined with relentless pressing, you can't set your team up to play that way.

Its too tiring and the players lack the mentality to want to defend strong for 90+mins.

Just listen to Dragusin's words when he joined, he is excited about playing and playing aggressively. That means more mistakes and less caution.

Players just dont play that way anymore.

He will probably get a gig at one more big/biggish club as he will air his grievances and blame others whilst someone will be desperate to have him.

But for me, I wouldnt have him up their with the all time great coaches. A winner? Absolutely.

But he hasnt left much of an impression in the game other than a bunch of pragmatic Portuguese coaches.

I am still disappointed in myself for being happy to have him here as I totally went against what Id been saying about him for years

Completely agree with all of what you write tbh. A great manager at his peak, but the lack of reinvention stops him from being an all-timer.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Where do people stack him up against the greats?

I remember having a José vs Pep debate all the way back in 2011 and quite a few thought Jose was better.

Yet that was 13 years ago and since then Pep just goes from strength to strength and has inspired coaching all over the world.

José seems to just inspire only his faithful who always say he has been poorly treated by clubs.

Yet I reckon if you put his spending over time in comparison to Pep's it won't be much difference.

The biggest factor us that Pep evolves his teams and focuses on the development. Rarely does Pep bring in the finished article.

José has no patience for that. If a player fucks up, he is back on the bench.

Id also make a case that Jose's era lasted around 10 years. From 2014 he hasnt really been the same, certainly not the man who is able to topple rivals consistently.

Whereas Anceltotti, Pep, Cruyff, Wenger kept going and kept evolving the football landscape.

Jose's football seemed to work much better when it was less about systems and more about individual quality as he'd normally have the best defenders who could just mark players out of the game.

Now that football is more dynamic and defenders are probably not as robust defensively as they need to be able to play, combined with relentless pressing, you can't set your team up to play that way.

Its too tiring and the players lack the mentality to want to defend strong for 90+mins.

Just listen to Dragusin's words when he joined, he is excited about playing and playing aggressively. That means more mistakes and less caution.

Players just dont play that way anymore.

He will probably get a gig at one more big/biggish club as he will air his grievances and blame others whilst someone will be desperate to have him.

But for me, I wouldnt have him up their with the all time great coaches. A winner? Absolutely.

But he hasnt left much of an impression in the game other than a bunch of pragmatic Portuguese coaches.

I am still disappointed in myself for being happy to have him here as I totally went against what Id been saying about him for years

I'd agree with all of this tbh.

As for where he ranks against the greats that is a very good Q. On his CV and trophies alone he has to be up there in the conversation whether you like him or not but I'd put quite a few ahead of him.

I think Pep is the greatest ever tbh, people will say he's managed great teams and players but the way he's got his teams to utterly dominate and win is unparalleled really.

In no particular order I'd put these above Jose:

• Pep
• Anchelotti
• Klopp
• Clough
• Cruyff
• Ferguson
• Shankley
• Bill Nic
• Wenger? (maybe not but interested what people think on that one)

After that, like him or not Jose has to be in the conversation in terms of legacy and 'greats'.

However personally I like to look at the context of what managers have achieved, I mean take Ange, he's won the Asia cup with an unfavoured Australia team, he won the Australian league with unfancied teams, he went to Japan and won there, he dominated with Celtic and now he's overachieving with Spurs given all that has gone on, he's also coached and made players better, he's made the fans happier, he 'manages' internally better than the likes of Jose so for me I'd say coaches like Ange and even Eddie Howe who took Bournemouth up through the divisions are just as good as Jose, its just that Jose has had opportunities at the elite club level for one reason or another and with the spending and squads he's had he was always giving himself a chance of a glittering trophy cabinet.

As you say for about 10 yrs Jose was right up there as one of the very best but the very very best constantly adapt and I don't think Jose had done that very well the last 10 years, also having a legacy is arguably harder than switching clubs every 2-3 seasons.

 

[Tucker]

Where do people stack him up against the greats?

I remember having a José vs Pep debate all the way back in 2011 and quite a few thought Jose was better.

Yet that was 13 years ago and since then Pep just goes from strength to strength and has inspired coaching all over the world.

José seems to just inspire only his faithful who always say he has been poorly treated by clubs.

Yet I reckon if you put his spending over time in comparison to Pep's it won't be much difference.

The biggest factor us that Pep evolves his teams and focuses on the development. Rarely does Pep bring in the finished article.

José has no patience for that. If a player fucks up, he is back on the bench.

Id also make a case that Jose's era lasted around 10 years. From 2014 he hasnt really been the same, certainly not the man who is able to topple rivals consistently.

Whereas Anceltotti, Pep, Cruyff, Wenger kept going and kept evolving the football landscape.

Jose's football seemed to work much better when it was less about systems and more about individual quality as he'd normally have the best defenders who could just mark players out of the game.

Now that football is more dynamic and defenders are probably not as robust defensively as they need to be able to play, combined with relentless pressing, you can't set your team up to play that way.

Its too tiring and the players lack the mentality to want to defend strong for 90+mins.

Just listen to Dragusin's words when he joined, he is excited about playing and playing aggressively. That means more mistakes and less caution.

Players just dont play that way anymore.

He will probably get a gig at one more big/biggish club as he will air his grievances and blame others whilst someone will be desperate to have him.

But for me, I wouldnt have him up their with the all time great coaches. A winner? Absolutely.

But he hasnt left much of an impression in the game other than a bunch of pragmatic Portuguese coaches.

I am still disappointed in myself for being happy to have him here as I totally went against what Id been saying about him for years

Agree with most of this, but I think his character and ability to say something noteworthy elevates him a bit. We will all remember Jose, the things he said the tantrums and quips etc. He’s a prat, but an entertaining prat nonetheless.

 

[Marty]

And he's out

 

[cwy21]

And he's out

Do they move straight to Conte or do they need their version of Nuno first?

 

[Pekoni]

And he's out

Once again, he followed his usual three season cycle of getting hired, winning a trophy on his second season, and turning to shit on the third one (excluding his stint with us )

 

[allatsea]

And he's out

They pay him to come and then pay him to go. What a life.