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JUSTINSIGNAL

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Does “discussing on final fee” mean we are close?

I don't think so. It's just Romano dragging everything out as usual. I don't think there is anymore information in this tweet than his last one about Raya. We were obviously already having discussions with Brentford about the fee or we wouldn't have been trying to agree personal terms with Raya.
 

S17PUR

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Interesting that in The Athletic piece about our interest in Raya today, it's mentioned that we're still looking at other options including Maignan.

I really rate Raya and he has the advantage of being homegrown, but if Maignan was available, he'd by my absolute ideal keeper for us. It does say he'd likely be a more expensive option, so suspect it'd only become a serious option if Brentford really don't budge from the £40m asking price.
 

Jaddas

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Made Opta's Premier League team of the season.

The Spaniard made the most saves of any goalkeeper (154) and had the best save percentage (77%) of any goalkeeper to play at least five times across the campaign.


Also, Hugo made 4 errors which lead to a goal this season (most of all keepers) compared with 1 for Raya.

Would be a clear upgrade on what we currently have.
 

WorthATry

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40 mill for your no 1 keeper is not over paying, exactly what we need for the brave new dawn

I disagree. I like Raya, but it would make him the fourth most expensive keeper of all time, and considering he only has a year on his contract, I think it's too much. It would also have a knock on effect for the rest of our window, not only in terms of money available, but also in terms of our dealings with other clubs when they see we just immediately paid the over-inflated asking price. Personally I think the fee will end up being around £30m, which is fair
 

dontcallme

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I disagree. I like Raya, but it would make him the fourth most expensive keeper of all time, and considering he only has a year on his contract, I think it's too much. It would also have a knock on effect for the rest of our window, not only in terms of money available, but also in terms of our dealings with other clubs when they see we just immediately paid the over-inflated asking price. Personally I think the fee will end up being around £30m, which is fair
Maybe £30m rising with add ons. From the bits I've seen and read, I think he's an excellent choice for our first choice keeper.

We have a history of not going that extra mile to get the right signing. I'd hate for us to miss out on this one. He's the right quality, age and position for what we really need. If he wants to come then within reason we need to make it happen.
 

robertgoulet

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Interesting that in The Athletic piece about our interest in Raya today, it's mentioned that we're still looking at other options including Maignan.

I really rate Raya and he has the advantage of being homegrown, but if Maignan was available, he'd by my absolute ideal keeper for us. It does say he'd likely be a more expensive option, so suspect it'd only become a serious option if Brentford really don't budge from the £40m asking price.
If Brentford are really going to stick to the 40M valuation I'd rather just go try to get Maignan or Onana.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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If Brentford are really going to stick to the 40M valuation I'd rather just go try to get Maignan or Onana.
Inter want 80m euros for Onana. And Milan will be well in their rights to demand a similar amount for Maignan. As much as I rate both I can't see us paying that money out for a goal keeper.
 

Trix

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If Brentford are really going to stick to the 40M valuation I'd rather just go try to get Maignan or Onana.
They aren't home grown, they don't have EPL experience, and may well need time to settle and adjust to moving here.

We really need to stop moving down our list of targets to save a few quid. if they are gettable, and Raya clearly is, we 100% should be bringing him in.
 

Zeb

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They aren't home grown, they don't have EPL experience, and may well need time to settle and adjust to moving here.

We really need to stop moving down our list of targets to save a few quid. if they are gettable, and Raya clearly is, we 100% should be bringing him in.
You must be new here.....
 

PaulThurston

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They aren't home grown, they don't have EPL experience, and may well need time to settle and adjust to moving here.

We really need to stop moving down our list of targets to save a few quid. if they are gettable, and Raya clearly is, we 100% should be bringing him in.
Perhaps if we turned the list upside down before giving it to Daniel...?
 

tommo84

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I disagree. I like Raya, but it would make him the fourth most expensive keeper of all time, and considering he only has a year on his contract, I think it's too much. It would also have a knock on effect for the rest of our window, not only in terms of money available, but also in terms of our dealings with other clubs when they see we just immediately paid the over-inflated asking price. Personally I think the fee will end up being around £30m, which is fair
I think the way goalkeepers are valued by top clubs is changing though so going forwards we’ll see them valued as a premium position, similar to CBs and attacking players. On that basis, the benchmark for how much a good goalkeeper should cost is going to increase significantly - historical benchmarks like “4th most expensive in history” are largely irrelevant, as I suspect those records will be broken over and over again in the next few years. Better to get ahead of it by securing the guy we think can be our starting goalkeeper for the next decade before the going rate increases further.
 

Thenewcat

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They aren't home grown, they don't have EPL experience, and may well need time to settle and adjust to moving here.

We really need to stop moving down our list of targets to save a few quid. if they are gettable, and Raya clearly is, we 100% should be bringing him in.
This has got classic Levy written all over it. We could buy him for 35m now, or haggle all summer and end up paying 34.5m on deadline day and lose the chance to integrate him into the squad in preseason. I hope I’m wrong
 

robertgoulet

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They aren't home grown, they don't have EPL experience, and may well need time to settle and adjust to moving here.

We really need to stop moving down our list of targets to save a few quid. if they are gettable, and Raya clearly is, we 100% should be bringing him in.
Right I get all that, it's just a personal preference thing for me. Raya's big positive for me is his HG status. Him already being used to the Prem is a plus but we've seen players move within the league from small clubs to bigger clubs and fail to settle so that's a risk anyway (yes I understand it's probably a smaller risk but it's still an unknown). I personally like Onana much better (he's bigger and as I mentioned before small keepers make me itchy) than both of them, and Maignon a little better than Raya (again, size).

Ultimately I believe we will sign Raya as I do not think Brentford will hold to their 40M valuation, he's only got 12 months left ffs. He's a big upgrade over the last 2 seasons of Hugo and an even gigantic upgrade over ball playing Hugo.
 

BENNO

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I think the way goalkeepers are valued by top clubs is changing though so going forwards we’ll see them valued as a premium position, similar to CBs and attacking players. On that basis, the benchmark for how much a good goalkeeper should cost is going to increase significantly - historical benchmarks like “4th most expensive in history” are largely irrelevant, as I suspect those records will be broken over and over again in the next few years. Better to get ahead of it by securing the guy we think can be our starting goalkeeper for the next decade before the going rate increases further.
£40M does seem a fair price for his ability, but £40m doesn't seem a fair price when the selling club have zero bargaining power, it would be stupid to pay it. Raya is putting pressure on Brentford by stating he'll see out his contract and move for free if they don't sell at resonable price and more recently, agreeing personal terms with us. Brentford have his replacement. Now we have 'leaks' that Spurs could move on to other targets !! It'll be done, and it'll be done more in our favour, although they do have a little leverage over us as we'd obviously be keen to get him in quickly for the new coach.

No point blowing an extra £6-£10m of a transfer budget just to stop people pannicking.
 

felmani26

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£40M does seem a fair price for his ability, but £40m doesn't seem a fair price when the selling club have zero bargaining power, it would be stupid to pay it. Raya is putting pressure on Brentford by stating he'll see out his contract and move for free if they don't sell at resonable price and more recently, agreeing personal terms with us. Brentford have his replacement. Now we have 'leaks' that Spurs could move on to other targets !! It'll be done, and it'll be done more in our favour, although they do have a little leverage over us as we'd obviously be keen to get him in quickly for the new coach.

No point blowing an extra £6-£10m of a transfer budget just to stop people pannicking.
You say that but what if this protracted transfer drags out till late August, subsequently play a couple of matches and then get gazumped by a rival (Chelsea or Utd) leaving us scratching around last minute for a replacement who will almost certainly be sub-standard to Raya?

Yes that's of course hypothetical but not outside the realms of possibility. I don't believe we should leave such a key recruit as our future No. 1 to brinkmanship - especially with Levy's track record - and if Brentford firmly will not engage in negotiating any lower than the reported £40m then we pay it.
 

Timberwolf

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If Brentford are really going to stick to the 40M valuation I'd rather just go try to get Maignan or Onana.
Thing is those 2 are probably worth 60m or something stupid. Tbh I doubt either of them would leave their clubs to come to Spurs right now - think we missed the boat on them sadly. Either would've been ideal.

If we don't go Raya I think we'd probably go cheaper, and then the issue is exactly what Trix is describing...we're losing out on HG status, league readiness, etc to save 5-10 quid and probably get a worse keeper anyway.
 

aliyid

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This has got classic Levy written all over it. We could buy him for 35m now, or haggle all summer and end up paying 34.5m on deadline day and lose the chance to integrate him into the squad in preseason. I hope I’m wrong
But just think of all the extra £££ we’d be saving in wages by getting him in at the end of the window :woot: :bag:
 
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