Will FFP finally put spurs where they belong?

[kernowspurscoach1977]

When spurs built their new Stadium as they had worked to a stringent budget for years, I always hoped this would catapult us into being able To Financially compete and therefore competitively compete at the top, but the era of sport washing destroyed my hopes.

I thought FFP was a toothless lip service that would never be implemented properly.

with recent rulings and clubs now fearful of reprisals will this put us on a new level where a self- sustaining well run club like us can sign players whilst others who have bankrolled have to sit on their hands and watch.
I myself will applaud every fine/points deduction/ maybe relegation that occurs and think it will make For a fairer more competitive league!

 

[Rosco1984]

Couldn’t agree more but for this to occur they need to throw the book at city and Chelsea not just punish the smaller clubs without the same power. they have a chance to make the premier league a true competition again where the best run clubs will have the advantage not the sugar daddy oil state clubs which we all agree would be a better watch. However they won’t want the league to lose pep and de bruyne etc as the big stars are money spinners for the league. Will they be strong enough to do the right thing or will they cave to the tv rights they might lose by losing city.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I will wait until one of the big clubs is actually hit with any penalty before I believe FFP is actually doing what it's supposed to.

But I really hope that's the direction we are heading.

 

[Col_M]

You’ve written the headline like a Football London article. Came in expecting to follow a link and read an article with ads dripping down the screen like a game of Tetris. Mildly impressed.

 

[Mr Pink]

I will wait until one of the bug clubs is actually hit with any penalty before I believe FFP is actually doing what it's supposed to.

But I really hope that's the direction we are heading.

Yep this is it.

I really, really hope we're not seeing examples made with the smaller Clubs as a way of saying its all working whilst ignoring the bigger more powerful Clubs who they're scared to take on.

Well they"re not ignoring, but failing to follow through with.

If thats the case football is dead.

Lets hope the bigger Clubs are treated in the same manner so there is footballing justice right across the board.

If it goes that way we're in a fabulous position and Levy deserves enormous credit for sticking with his model despite all the frustration along the way.

 

[kernowspurscoach1977]

I agree with all of that you guys have put, I think they have drawn a line in the sand by punishing Everton, so will have to Surely do the same for city and Chelsea in particular who have both been financially doping for years.
To really lay down a marker it would be fantastic to see this cheats relegated, all the way to division 2.

I know not FFP but the Scottish Fa did this to Rangers and I hope that bravery is mirrored.

 

[dirtyh]

I will wait until one of the bug clubs is actually hit with any penalty before I believe FFP is actually doing what it's supposed to.

But I really hope that's the direction we are heading.

perfect typo.

 

[FITZ]

Couldn’t agree more but for this to occur they need to throw the book at city and Chelsea not just punish the smaller clubs without the same power. they have a chance to make the premier league a true competition again where the best run clubs will have the advantage not the sugar daddy oil state clubs which we all agree would be a better watch. However they won’t want the league to lose pep and de bruyne etc as the big stars are money spinners for the league. Will they be strong enough to do the right thing or will they cave to the tv rights they might lose by losing city.

Would the league lose these “stars” or would they be more equally shared across teams.

 

[Yantino]

Not sure Spurs 'belong' anywhere other than where they deserve to be on merit. The same as any other club.

What it hopefully will do is put other clubs who have ignored the rules back where they 'belong' so the playing field is much more fair and level. The way it should have been 20 years ago.

 

[Blake Griffin]

I will wait until one of the bug clubs is actually hit with any penalty before I believe FFP is actually doing what it's supposed to.

But I really hope that's the direction we are heading.

it already is to some degree though isn't it?

a lot of our rivals have money sitting there but can't spend it because of ffp.

 

[Ribble]

I will wait until one of the bug clubs is actually hit with any penalty before I believe FFP is actually doing what it's supposed to.

But I really hope that's the direction we are heading.

Hopefully Chelsea fall foul of it, Boehly seems to be the type who'd go for the "seek forgiveness not permission" strategy.

Just listening to the Athletic podcast covering this and I think Forest will get away with a bit of a slap on the wrists as they were only days short of being within the rules. Everton though I have much less sympathy for, given they were relying on Usmanov's dirty money to bring them into compliance.

 

[joshua_snodgras]

Apparently the city case is very different to the Everton / Forest cases. City have allegedly lied and so have their sponsors so its a case of proving that in court, hence why its taking so long - good athletic podcast on it this week...

 

[Trix]

Apparently the city case is very different to the Everton / Forest cases. City have allegedly lied and so have their sponsors so its a case of proving that in court, hence why its taking so long - good athletic podcast on it this week...

Indeed. City I believe as far as spend to turnover are fine as far as the books are concerned. With City it's about payments that have come through 3rd parties and either not been disclosed or have come from a completely seperate entity than the club itself. I think it's a similar case with Chelsea. They both basically cooked the books to meet FFP levels, which in itself tells you that FFP is and always has been a concern to them. Basically it's a lot worse than what Everton and Forrest have done.......If it can be proved.

 

[BPR_U16]

Indeed. City I believe as far as spend to turnover are fine as far as the books are concerned. With City it's about payments that have come through 3rd parties and either not been disclosed or have come from a completely seperate entity than the club itself. I think it's a similar case with Chelsea. They both basically cooked the books to meet FFP levels, which in itself tells you that FFP is and always has been a concern to them. Basically it's a lot worse than what Everton and Forrest have done.......If it can be proved.

As you say Trix, the cases of City and Chelsea are potentially a lot more damaging because they have been manipulating the system - on the face of disclosed information they have no case to answer. Though a date for City has been set to answer the charges, there will be an inordinate amount of legal time before this ever gets resolved. When it's over, and if proven, then the penalties need to be substantial to ensure no others follow suit.

Based on the financials that Everton and Forest have submitted they have fallen foul of FFP, their defence currently is that criteria changed and they want certain mitigating information taken into account. Their case will be much easier/quicker to resolve.

 

[Japhet]

As you say Trix, the cases of City and Chelsea are potentially a lot more damaging because they have been manipulating the system - on the face of disclosed information they have no case to answer. Though a date for City has been set to answer the charges, there will be an inordinate amount of legal time before this ever gets resolved. When it's over, and if proven, then the penalties need to be substantial to ensure no others follow suit.

Based on the financials that Everton and Forest have submitted they have fallen foul of FFP, their defence currently is that criteria changed and they want certain mitigating information taken into account. Their case will be much easier/quicker to resolve.

As far as I know, Everton and Forest complied with the investigation and 'fessed up' to their transgressions. City, on the other hand, have spent years and millions on legal fees to obstruct and mislead their investigation. That should have some bearing on their punishment. Chelsea seemed to think they'd get some sort of a clean slate (on top of the written off 1.5 billion of Abramovic money) but I doubt that will get much sympathy now with the stinging punishment Everton have already been given.

 

[dontcallme]

While I agree that the biggest step is one of the biggest clubs getting punished, just the threat of punishment appears to be having an impact on rival spending.

If Newcastle had come into the level of money their owners having over 10 years ago, they'd consistently be spending huge right now, just as City and Chelsea did when their owners took over. Instead it sounds like they are curbing their spending and might even sell a few.

So who knows, maybe this coinciding with our currently productive transfer committee is going to boost us pushing on.

 

[Nayim60yards]

perfect typo.

What would these bug clubs be called though?

Praying Mantis-ter United?
Tottenham Mothspur?
Fleaverpool?

 

[Trix]

What would these bug clubs be called though?

Praying Mantis-ter United?
Tottenham Mothspur?
Fleaverpool?

Putting you on ignore.

 

[rossdapep]

Indeed. City I believe as far as spend to turnover are fine as far as the books are concerned. With City it's about payments that have come through 3rd parties and either not been disclosed or have come from a completely seperate entity than the club itself. I think it's a similar case with Chelsea. They both basically cooked the books to meet FFP levels, which in itself tells you that FFP is and always has been a concern to them. Basically it's a lot worse than what Everton and Forrest have done.......If it can be proved.

Pretty clear they have as well because City quite clearly do not generate anywhere close to the income that matches their spending via match day, TV money, merchandise etc.

For a start, they constantly have to run promos on local radio to get people to buy tickets leading up to the game.

 

[joshua_snodgras]

FFP podcast, if you want all the details:

More FFP charges but what about Man City? | The Athletic FC Podcast | Podcasts | The Athletic

It is close to a year — 49 weeks and counting — since the Premier League handed Manchester City a charge sheet with 115 breaches of its financial rule

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