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The thing is, pre VAR it would just be the linesman getting an offside wrong and putting his flag up when he shouldn’t have. This happened in matches every weekend. There was never this much furore over a decision like that yesterday. It’s all been blown massively out of proportion. Funny though seeing them continually getting wound up over it. The media are loving winding the scousers up too.
I really don’t agree with that.
This is such a massive human fuck up it is barely believable. Firstly genuinely weren’t paying attention to the game, secondly they didn’t think a lack of celebration might mean a flag went up.

VAR is contentious enough as it with reviews of handball ‘law’ and lines being drawn from armpits and little toes but if the human isn’t even watching the game, serious questions need asking.
 

purple8

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Aug 27, 2005
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I really don’t agree with that.
This is such a massive human fuck up it is barely believable. Firstly genuinely weren’t paying attention to the game, secondly they didn’t think a lack of celebration might mean a flag went up.

VAR is contentious enough as it with reviews of handball ‘law’ and lines being drawn from armpits and little toes but if the human isn’t even watching the game, serious questions need asking.
I didn't see the flag and thought it had been given at first.
 

Nebby

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Dec 27, 2013
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The media, pundits and Liverpool FC need to seriously think about what they’re doing right now. All this fuss and complaining about injustice. Would anyone be surprised if some twatty fan decides to go and do something really stupid?
 

Shanks

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May 11, 2005
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Honestly, staggering.

embarrassing, child like and seriously weird behaviour from grown men.
Got an offside wrong, it’s happened to literally every club in the league.
 

robotsonic

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Aug 20, 2013
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Looks like Garth has put Bissouma in his team of the week, but get a load of his reasoning...if you can call it any kind of explanation whatsoever :LOL:

"Yves Bissouma (Tottenham): For the second consecutive week Bissouma makes my team selection. The Malian was at the heart of Tottenham's performance against a hard-done-by Liverpool.

The decision by referee Simon Hooper to send off Curtis Jones was a poor one. At first glance you can be forgiven for thinking that the tackle was a bad one because you see Jones make contact with Bissouma.

However, the Liverpool's player's foot moves with the momentum of the ball, and that momentum then carries Jones's foot into Bissouma. Hooper should have seen this on the replay and didn't, which is most concerning - a yellow card was plenty.

No sooner do Liverpool feel the effect of one injustice when another one comes along, but the video assistant referee (VAR) remained conspicuously silent. Luiz Diaz's superb strike was ruled offside when you could see from the naked eye it was a perfectly good goal."


 

littlewilly

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May 28, 2013
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I really don’t agree with that.
This is such a massive human fuck up it is barely believable. Firstly genuinely weren’t paying attention to the game, secondly they didn’t think a lack of celebration might mean a flag went up.

VAR is contentious enough as it with reviews of handball ‘law’ and lines being drawn from armpits and little toes but if the human isn’t even watching the game, serious questions need asking.
They would almost certainly be engrossed in their tv monitors, drawing lines, praying to God they don't make an error!
 

Pink_Floyd

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Apr 21, 2004
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Looks like Garth has put Bissouma in his team of the week, but get a load of his reasoning...if you can call it any kind of explanation whatsoever :LOL:

"Yves Bissouma (Tottenham): For the second consecutive week Bissouma makes my team selection. The Malian was at the heart of Tottenham's performance against a hard-done-by Liverpool.

The decision by referee Simon Hooper to send off Curtis Jones was a poor one. At first glance you can be forgiven for thinking that the tackle was a bad one because you see Jones make contact with Bissouma.

However, the Liverpool's player's foot moves with the momentum of the ball, and that momentum then carries Jones's foot into Bissouma. Hooper should have seen this on the replay and didn't, which is most concerning - a yellow card was plenty.

No sooner do Liverpool feel the effect of one injustice when another one comes along, but the video assistant referee (VAR) remained conspicuously silent. Luiz Diaz's superb strike was ruled offside when you could see from the naked eye it was a perfectly good goal."


Wow, 1 paragraph about Biss, 3 about liverpool... WTAF.
 

cooperman

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Jul 15, 2005
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I think we need to try to filter out all the noise around the incident, and the subsequent reactions to it from fans, media, pundits etc. and focus on the actual facts of the error and why its actually a big issue.

The mistake that was made for the Diaz 'goal' occurred because the VAR guys incorrectly assumed that the on-field officials had awarded the goal. They took a quick look at the replay, saw no reason to disallow it, so told the ref "check over". The only reason we now know that this cock-up happened is because it was a clear factual error to not award the goal.

The legitimate question that the media should be asking now is, how many other times have the VAR officials told a referee to stick to his original decision, without actually knowing what that decision was? Penalties, red cards etc. How many times has VAR said "check over" only to subsequently realise that they misunderstood what the on-field decision had been?
Quite. I'm not sure what the accepted wording is, but surely after this, VAR needs to audibly confirm whatever decision has been reached, eg "Check complete. Offside." or "Check complete. Goal." To just say "Check complete" is asking for this kind of misunderstanding to happen again.
 

PaulM

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Feb 9, 2005
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The media, pundits and Liverpool FC need to seriously think about what they’re doing right now. All this fuss and complaining about injustice. Would anyone be surprised if some twatty fan decides to go and do something really stupid?
There is also a person at the end of this ire. Yes, he made a stupid mistake but he's being vilified in front on the country and accused of all sorts. That fella must feel horrendous and must never want to ref another game. He made a ridiculous mistake but the focus should be on how they change the system to avoid the possibility of a repeat.
 

Fitchspur

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May 28, 2012
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There is also a person at the end of this ire. Yes, he made a stupid mistake but he's being vilified in front on the country and accused of all sorts. That fella must feel horrendous and must never want to ref another game. He made a ridiculous mistake but the focus should be on how they change the system to avoid the possibility of a repeat.
Yeah I agree. All those calling for him to be immediately sacked I’m sure wouldn’t be saying the same if they made a mistake at work and were fired. It was a massive screw up and something needs to be done to remove the human error as much as possible but so many are going OTT with their responses. We’re human. We’re stupid and make mistakes sometimes.
 

Bigdaddyguff

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Aug 8, 2019
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It’s never factual. The moment the ball is played can’t be correctly calibrated to where the offside occurs. It might be fractional but that is what they are doing drawing the lines. It’s definitely not as cut and dried as offside or not.
This is exactly it they are drawing lines to the millimeter and the ball is in a different place each check, sometimes it's touching the passers foot and others a foot away. Why don't people ever mention this ?
 

FITZ

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May 17, 2004
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This is exactly it they are drawing lines to the millimeter and the ball is in a different place each check, sometimes it's touching the passers foot and others a foot away. Why don't people ever mention this ?

Isn’t this due to the frame rate on the recording.

Also why the World Cup version of VAR was using the computer generated version of events as it fills in the blanks based on the recordings.
 

Nayim60yards

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Jul 25, 2005
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Apparently MNF are going to look at it all from a different angle tonight. Got a feeling they might go against the grain and side with the officials. That would be funny but with fat Frank and carragher on it I suspect that is remote.
Both Chris Sutton and Robbie Savage on BBC Radio 606 said red card on Saturday and doubled down on that on Sunday as well.
 

SaKkA.kenchiku

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Sep 23, 2006
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Yes VAR messed up on the offside, a cockup, but it happens and rarely. VAR was wrong on the offside, but before VAR there were offsides not given and vice versa every weekend. I still believe in VAR for offside and goal line tech, these are clear cut, (barring a clear human mess up). Once out of all the offside is ok…compare to the amount of times offsides were wrong, at least one every single weekend. I am not convince by VAR on fouls etc as these are open to interpretation and depends on the view of someone operating the system. VAR was correct on the red card, pundits may not like it, but it’s correct based on the rules. If FA overturn that decision it will be clearly media pressure and from Liverpool, who classy as ever threaten legal action when VAR goes against them. It was a human error, it seldom happens with offside, in fact once. Accept and move on… WE scored 2 and they scored 1 we deserved it the game was broken and we found away, the fact they had two players sent off is on them and them only, 4 reds already Says it all.

I am also happy media are not looking at us, but you don’t go 7 unbeaten playing arsenal Liverpool and United by luck, we will be up there at the end of the season, The longer they ignore us. The better we will do.
 

Trix

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Jul 29, 2004
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Looks like Garth has put Bissouma in his team of the week, but get a load of his reasoning...if you can call it any kind of explanation whatsoever

The decision by referee Simon Hooper to send off Curtis Jones was a poor one. At first glance you can be forgiven for thinking that the tackle was a bad one because you see Jones make contact with Bissouma.

However, the Liverpool's player's foot moves with the momentum of the ball, and that momentum then carries Jones's foot into Bissouma. Hooper should have seen this on the replay and didn't, which is most concerning - a yellow card was plenty.




All that these ex pro's from 20+ years ago are doing, is explaining why it wouldn't have been a red when they were playing. It's making it very clear why they are pundits and not coaches. The game has moved on but most of them haven't.
 
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SirHarryHotspur

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Aug 9, 2017
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Looks like Garth has put Bissouma in his team of the week, but get a load of his reasoning...if you can call it any kind of explanation whatsoever :LOL:

"Yves Bissouma (Tottenham): For the second consecutive week Bissouma makes my team selection. The Malian was at the heart of Tottenham's performance against a hard-done-by Liverpool.

The decision by referee Simon Hooper to send off Curtis Jones was a poor one. At first glance you can be forgiven for thinking that the tackle was a bad one because you see Jones make contact with Bissouma.

However, the Liverpool's player's foot moves with the momentum of the ball, and that momentum then carries Jones's foot into Bissouma. Hooper should have seen this on the replay and didn't, which is most concerning - a yellow card was plenty.

No sooner do Liverpool feel the effect of one injustice when another one comes along, but the video assistant referee (VAR) remained conspicuously silent. Luiz Diaz's superb strike was ruled offside when you could see from the naked eye it was a perfectly good goal."


Just for the record Robbie Savage on the BBC after the game said definite red card challenge.
 
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