The VAR Thread

[wirE]

I got to agree with old Roy on his take on handball

 

[Monkey boy]

please tell me VAR didn’t review that because if they did and still didn’t award a penalty then I give up. Even under the old rules that’s a penalty every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[chrissivad]

The penalty decisions are stupid. Our one against Hojbjerg last week and the Palace one against Everton yesterday should never be a penalty.

Players have arms and hands, surely the offence should be based on how they use them.

Spreading your arms like a keeper and blocking the ball = penalty. Random ball hitting your hand which is by your side whilst you aren't looking = no penalty.

The current rules are an offense to the game and need to be changed urgently.

You can see what they were trying to do with the natural position rule, but something has gone horrible wrong with it.

It's just confused it even more.

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

If the play continues without the ref stopping it that is legitimate playing time so if the end of the game comes before the VAR intervention then that’s bloody tough. This,however is Man Utd.

 

[JimmyG2]

I wrote on my blog that I was quite prepared to go back to
and put up with the human frailties delivered instantly for good or bad
than the dubious certainties and delays of technological accuracy
which still have to be judged by the same frail humans.

Were there any more controversial decisions and uproar before
or are there in fact more now?

I am not a Luddite, Goal line technology seems to work fine
and meets a need for precision where officials are not close enough to see.
But VAR seems a technology too far.
Its precision is dubious in offside decisions because you cannot trust the moment
at which the frame is taken in ridiculously close situations.
On handball it over-rules common sense about intent.
Back to the Future my friends until it shows immediately on the referees watch.
Until then I prefer to abuse the ref, a revered footballing tradition after all.
Over a long lifetime it all evens out.
Oh yes it does.

 

[JimmyG2]

please tell me VAR didn’t review that because if they did and still didn’t award a penalty then I give up. Even under the old rules that’s a penalty every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Blimey that's some fixture congestion.

 

[daveduvet]

I wrote on my blog that I was quite prepared to go back to
and put up with the human frailties delivered instantly for good or bad
than the dubious certainties and delays of technological accuracy
which still have to be judged by the same frail humans.

Were there any more controversial decisions and uproar before
or are there in fact more now?

I am not a Luddite, Goal line technology seems to work fine
and meets a need for precision where officials are not close enough to see.
But VAR seems a technology too far.
Its precision is dubious in offside decisions because you cannot trust the moment
at which the frame is taken in ridiculously close situations.
On handball it over-rules common sense about intent.
Back to the Future my friends until it shows immediately on the referees watch.
Until then I prefer to abuse the ref, a revered footballing tradition after all.
Over a long lifetime it all evens out.
Oh yes it does.

Think goal line technology and Var have a place; but as you suggested the ‘in the moment frailties’ of the ref keep the flow ‘real’. Clear & obvious needs to be reiterated etc. I suppose with all new technologies there’s glitches.. and I think if we were in the position of the mancs yesterday we’d be chuffed. However, there really is an absurdity to the way it is currently impinging upon the game.

 

[Spurrific]

VAR, coupled with the new rules (mainly handball), is totally and utterly ruining football. I’m finding it harder and harder to watch, and I’m past the point of caring. Anybody that supports it in its current form is a fucking moron

 

[ajspurs]

Just take it back to the old rules FFS. Far far less controversy.

 

[felmani26]

Unless they sort this fucking absurd and farcical rule then it will eventually kill the enjoyment for a vast majority of fans.

And like @Spurrific says, i've got all the shitty WhatsApp gloating now but quite frankly any fan should be disgusted with that and the wider implications.

I haven't been this pissed off at a decision for quite a while.

 

[silveraeon]

Absolute joke

 

[absolute bobbins]

If that was a handball, the punishment should be an indirect freekick. The crime was no more heinous than a back pass and probably much less so

 

[Shadydan]

It's not VAR it's the new handball rules.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Why does VAR measure from the armpit of a player for offside when their head is beyond the last defender and they are attempting to attack the ball with their head?

It gives an unfair advantage to the attacking team, because they are facing goal (allowing their legs and head to be closer to the goal than their torso / armpit), while the defenders have their backs to goal (head cannot be closer to the goal than their torso).

 

[absolute bobbins]

It's not VAR it's the new handball rules.

It’s both, the games are being double refereed rather than there being a tool available to help the ref and the handball rule is shit.

 

[JCRD]

I said it yesterday and will say it again, the rules are terrible and need to stop

I am pretty sure as a set of clubs - the clubs can vote against the rules or am I mistaken?

I dont think the newcastle one was a penalty where they handballed it and Diers certainly wasnt.

 

[Spurrific]

It's not VAR it's the new handball rules.

VAR has been the catalyst for all this. Football was far better before its botched implementation. They’ve changed a rule, that nobody asked them to change, and VAR is the instrument used to help scrutinise and justify these disgusting “hand balls”.

 

[Shadydan]

VAR has been the catalyst for all this. Football was far better before its botched implementation. They’ve changed a rule, that nobody asked them to change, and VAR is the instrument used to help scrutinise and justify these disgusting “hand balls”.

I don't think it is, they haven't changed the handball rules in other countries, it's just the PL being super ****s and trying to be different from anyone else.

 

[Spurrific]

I don't think it is, they haven't changed the handball rules in other countries, it's just the PL being super ****s and trying to be different from anyone else.

But VAR is flawed, big time. I find it impossible to believe anybody genuinely supports it as it is. We had two shouts for handball that weren’t even properly checked, a ball is punted into Dier’s arm with his back to it from a yard away, and VAR is used to scrutinise and find a way to give that as a penalty.

 

[Shadydan]

But VAR is flawed, big time. I find it impossible to believe anybody genuinely supports it as it is. We had two shouts for handball that weren’t even properly checked, a ball is punted into Dier’s arm with his back to it from a yard away, and VAR is used to scrutinise and find a way to give that as a penalty.

I'm not a fan of VAR in this current interpretation but always said it's as good as the people that manage it because it's still based on subjectivity. Unfortunately this has just shown referees up to be incompetent, inconsistent and lacking in common sense.