The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[danielneeds]

Three ways it can go for me now.

1. Poch gets us on a war footing. Scrap the high line, get two banks of players behind the ball sitting deep and stop conceding goals. The irony being that we’re probably most effective on the counter at the moment so that may suit our forwards. Get through the season and rebuild next summer

2. Poch carries on trying to play the same way and we slip into oblivion, Levy sacks him and we bring in someone else.

3. Poch carries on trying to play the same way and eventually resigns.

 

[mightyspur]

Yeah, it wasn't the losing part that got me - it was more in the way of the manner of the defeat. If ever there was a clear message of players making a point, then that was it. Poch must go imo, not just because of the spoiled little brats pretending to be spurs players, but also the complete one-dimensional approach poch has to the game. I don't give a shit how many Poch lovers will be butthurt over what I'm about to say, but Poch is a very limited manager. I mean if his system doesn't work, we look totally lost and no clear direction on how to solve it. I seriously can not believe just how basic poch is. He hasn't learned anything since his Espaynol and Southhampton days about tactical flexibility.

Ask any Saints fan about Poch and they will say the same thing - Counter press fantastic when it works, when it doesn't he doesn't have an alternate approach.

We tried about 4 different formations in that game. Difficult to execute any sort if game plan when the players seem so unwilling to actually play and get the absolute basics wrong

 

[fortworthspur]

Regarding Poch not being backed, this was Hoddle's quote before the CL final. He also reiterated 'for a fact' a couple of times. I know I'm repeating myself, but surely it's not complete horshshit from Hoddle. Why would he along with various ITK at the time make it up?

Hoddle on Pochettino
He’s done - doing - a fantastic job. That’s easy to say but he is. You can tell how close he is with the players and the players, how they respect him. And you know what? You’ve got to say, they haven’t gone out and spent a thing. Not because there wasn’t money. He decided that he didn’t want to buy in those two windows.

So that's Poch not wanting to buy in the 2 windows that he 'wasn't backed'. How long are fans and pundits going to keep ignoring this? And if is true, it's just another problem he's brought on himself.

you really believe Poch decided he didnt need any new players those two windows? I think the truth is somewhere in the middle - he wanted a cadillac but Levy would only pony up the dough for a used Ford.

 

[dondo]

problem mate has been injuries (small and big)
Lamela can't play more than a game a week/ Dele injuries this whole year/ GLC bad luck to get the int injury
Foyth injured all season, Sanchez small injuries as with Davies and Sessegnon and of course Dier.
It's the nightmare of all who want to stay getting injured and all who want to leave being fit!
But hopefully after int break IF Poch is here he will have a full group and will be BRAVE

What about the last 3 games when we have played Eriksen, Aurier, Toby and Rose when Dele, lamela, Foyth, Sanchez, Dier and Davies available?

 

[dtxspurs]

you really believe Poch decided he didnt need any new players those two windows? I think the truth is somewhere in the middle - he wanted a cadillac but Levy would only pony up the dough for a used Ford.

Truly can’t believe there are people that think that was Pochettino fault.

 

[NickHSpurs]

He needs to be brave (his words) if he is given the chance. He needs to honestly ostracise the players that wants to go, like Eriksen. He needs to take risks, and only he knows who those players are, though we have a clear idea, like CE for starters. He needs to get his respect back by playing players who are going to fight and play for him. He needs to make ruthless decisions. Easier now GLC/RS/Foyth are on their way back. Build Dele with love over the break. And I hope that works, as I would be heart broken if we sacked him. As all in all ENIC haven’t really backed him the way they should of. Here Daniel Levy has to take the blame. But he is very stubborn.

Today was the day to do that no? We lost 7-2 and off the back of that he still decided to pick Eriksen, Toby & Jan!

 

[sausage]

Chelsea have spent millions and millions on a massive group of players including millions on top young players over the last decade.
do you think it is luck that they have all these top young players???? No it is money.

Ruben Loftus Cheek has been at Chelsea since he was 8.
Tammy Abraham has been at Chelsea since he was 7.
Mason Mount since he was 6.
Same with Fikayo Tomori.
Same with Hudson-Odoi.


It isn't money

 

[Lennon1981]

Obviously the injury to Lloris is terrible but poch needs to use this to get Kane on side. He’s captain now, he needs to take some responsibility and help drive a team of hopefully fresh hungry young players.

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

Truly can’t believe there are people that think that was Pochettino fault.

Because it’s more like wanting a spaceship and being offered a merc. If you ask for too much and get fuck all it’s your fault

 

[fortworthspur]

Truly can’t believe there are people that think that was Pochettino fault.

agree, but TBF Poch may have been a little stubborn, too. We could have used a couple of banged up Fords last Spring.

 

[DCSPUR]

you really believe Poch decided he didnt need any new players those two windows? I think the truth is somewhere in the middle - he wanted a cadillac but Levy would only pony up the dough for a used Ford.

winner. Remember what Graham Roberts said about Barkely for eg - Poch wanted him 100%....ends up at Chelsea.
Response from the BSofL is that we got Moura....well Chelsea bloomin well turned around and spent 60 million on Pulisic and turned down 40 million for CHA and signed him to a massive 5 year deal while he was injured!

Someone earlier said, would Mou have won the league with these players.
The real question is how many Poch would have won with backing.

 

[dondo]

you really believe Poch decided he didnt need any new players those two windows? I think the truth is somewhere in the middle - he wanted a cadillac but Levy would only pony up the dough for a used Ford.

A few ITK suggest Poch only wanted specific players that were not available and refused any other backups

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Yup. I think it's going to be drawn out and painful. Poch is stubborn and Levy won't want to pay him off unless it's absolutely necessary.

If someone like Allegri is willing to come, I think this international break would be the perfect time to bite the bullet and put him in place.

In reality we'll probably stumble along until we're knocked out of the CL and a long way of fourth, by which time Allegri will be at Utd and we'll either end up with a stop-gap manager, someone unproven or slowly bleeding out with Poch until the summer.

Shocking to suggest that Poch “isn’t a manager.” You mean to say that the bloke who’s taken us four consecutive top four finishes, not to mention a CL final, with a fraction of the investment of the other clubs vying for those places isn’t even a manager at all? Come off it.

We saw some signs that Poch was willing to change things today. The reversion to a 4-2-3-1 and the restoration of a DM to the side suggest that he’s seen that the diamond needed to be binned. Problem was that the only DM he had to choose from has barely played in a year and was miles off the pace, and the team witnessed its captain suffer a horrifically gruesome injury/gift the other team the lead in the first three minutes, which seemed to just compound the feelings left over from Bayern.

I wouldn’t be shocked or even disappointed if he were sacked now, but if he does stay I think there are some signs he’s going to change things tactically from here on. The question is whether he can find players to implement the tactics who will actually play for him.

Formations aren’t tactics, they’re strategy. Poch doesn’t know how to stitch eleven players into a team that is more than the sum of its parts. And, um, that’s it, basically...

 

[poc]

you really believe Poch decided he didnt need any new players those two windows? I think the truth is somewhere in the middle - he wanted a cadillac but Levy would only pony up the dough for a used Ford.

A used ford is not the middle lol.

 

[dtxspurs]

Because it’s more like wanting a spaceship and being offered a merc. If you ask for too much and get fuck all it’s your fault

Yeah fuck Poch for not wanting more Auriers, Nkoudous, Janssens, & Sissokos.

 

[DCSPUR]

What about the last 3 games when we have played Eriksen, Aurier, Toby and Rose when Dele, lamela, Foyth, Sanchez, Dier and Davies available?

I'm with you going forward (and including this game). Seems like Davidson and Foyth now fit - should have played em.
Don't think Dele is there yet with his hammies

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Taken me a while but it’s just sunk in.

Losing 3-0 to Brighton is totally unacceptable. Totally.

Wouldn't get too depressed about it , Man U lost at Brighton last season and look how much they have spent on players.

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

Yeah fuck Poch for not wanting more Auriers, Nkoudous, Janssens, & Sissokos.

You’re the one complaining about signing nobody at all

 

[Trees]

We are going to have to take a couple of steps back to go forward. Even Ndombele looks a lazy bastard.

If you were in Poch’s shoes you would wait to be pushed.

 

[JayB]

Formations aren’t tactics, they’re strategy. Poch doesn’t know how to stitch eleven players into a team that is more than the sum of its parts. And, um, that’s it, basically...

Do you honestly think we've been less than the sum of our parts for the past six years? Obviously we're in a crisis now, and I don't know if Poch will be able to get the players playing for him again, but given the investment (or lack thereof) in the squad I don't see how you could say anything other than that Poch has had us punching above our weight, i.e. the exact opposite of less than the sum of our parts.