Match Threads Spurs vs Wolves

[TheChosenOne]

I wish we would stop passing to our opponents -E very week it must happen about 15 times a game. Unforced.

12 points dropped at home to date. Shameful .

Shades of 1984 when we finished 3rd and somehow lost 8 and drew 4 dropping a total 32 points at the old gaff

 

[thehipster]

I’m not too fussed about this season, purely because it’s pure development.
We surprised a lot of teams with our attacking intent in the 1st half of the season.
But there are some good coaches out there and they’ve started doing their homework. They’ve started seeing frailties in our gameplay and they’re doing everything they can to knock us off our stride and break up our fluency.
Fair dues. They’re are some good teams in the League.

But now we see how good Ange really is. He’s being tested now.
He’s got to find ways to galvanise the squad again, pick up the pace, build confidence in some players and negate the spoiling tactics of other teams.
He’s got to elevate his own strategy and raise performance as the other teams figure us out.
So that’s the real litmus test as to whether his style can succeed in the Premier League.

I‘m not expecting him to nail it completely this season. But I do expect better performances from the players.
I’m still really glad he’s going to be around for many a year.
We’re building great foundations regardless of the result today.
We’re still quite a naive squad and there’s room for much more wisdom on the pitch.

 

[TOLBINY]

Go to the pub mate, if you wanna find someone to fight.

I'm a lover not a fighter!

 

[Japhet]

You don't have to like him to acknowledge that he has a much better CV at a higher level than Ange.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

And why is our midfield and creativity no longer clicking and fallen off a cliff? Maybe because it’s full of players who are still searching for form and fitness after a period out. Yeah defensively there’s lots of concerns but that’s not the only reason/way in which we’re playing poorly, and it’s much easier to expose a ropey defence if the team isn’t dangerous and free flowing going forwards.

In my opinion it’s because teams now sit back and give our midfield no space to work in. I don’t think it has anything to do on rustiness or anything, there’s just simply no space for our creative players to work in.

 

[TOLBINY]

Stimulating post.

 

[Martinhotspur]

You don't have to like him to acknowledge that he has a much better CV at a higher level than Ange.

He served up some shite football. here, I couldn't care less about his CV.

 

[Romulus]

Villa back in 4th. I am bit worried, are teams figuring out Ange's tactics now? We seem easy to play against

This ain't Scotland, Japan or Australia... Team's bite back here.

 

[TheChosenOne]

In my opinion it’s because teams now sit back and give our midfield no space to work in. I don’t think it has anything to do on rustiness or anything, there’s just simply no space for our creative players to work in.

The regular opponents game plan seems to consist of :-

Kicking our opponents.
Waste time
Simulate fouls
Target flair players
Letting us give up possession.
Hassle our GK at corners.
10 men behind the ball defending like they are at The Alamo

 

[spurs mental]

With a weaker squad, mid-week ECL football and a mid season World Cup to contend with - well impressed. Interesting you use the word 'fraud' to describe a bloke who has won 5 titles with three teams in two of Europe's toughest leagues - what does that make Ange in your opinion?

Mate.

I've posted this elsewhere, I think it may well have even been in reply to you. But Conte, regardless of his historical achievements, wasn't working here. I wanted him backed, I baked him and Jose to the hilt, but by the end of his tenure I wasn't even watching Spurs. I barely watched a game in the last 3 or 4 months of last season.

If you're pissed off and don't like Ange, that's fine. If you're not, or haven't enjoyed watching Spurs this season, or even enjoyed some of the results, that's fine too.

But if the above are true, and it's winding you up or effecting your mood significantly every week, take a break from Spurs. It'll do you good.

 

[RuskyM]

This ain't Scotland, Japan or Australia... Team's bite back here.

Famously no other teams outside of the Premier League try to win games.

 

[leray]

Credit to Wolves, they had a good plan, executed it perfectly and had top performances from Dawson and Neto. We've created some chances, but were too slow.

The real problems were in defense and usually it's on the manager. We've lost Porro and Udogie, but their replacements are supposed to be better defensively. Still, we've let Wolves had 12 shots and some of them were clear cut chances from just couple of yards. There has to be some changes to the system. Arsenal and City play with four centre backs right now. In Football Manager terms, too many of our players are on attacking mentality.

 

[rossdapep]

We started off the season so well. What on earth has gone wrong. Have we simply been found out tactics wise? We have the players ostensibly.

We're just going through a difficult moment.

Honestly people forget how genuinely difficult it is to get a team firing.

We had that game versus United and we seem to grow from that

The Chelsea game knocked all of that out of us and we have just struggled to find that flow again.

I'd say that we have done incredibly well to keep picking up points as we have lacked that rhythm.

Lastly.

It is much much easier to drill a team defensively than it is to get a team firing attacking.

It's why you see Jose Mourinho struggle long term at a club. And why see the likes of Sam Allardyce known as someone who saves clubs from relegation.

They can drill the defensive side quickly.

But an attacking coach like Ange and Pep, needs more time.

Football constantly moves so teams catch onto what an attacking team does and that then becomes a blueprint to stop them.

For example, block our FBs and press our deep midfielder quickly. And cover the length of penalty area and cut out underlaps as spurs not so effective out wide.

Pep had this issue with City. Teams clocked onto the cutbacks and passes from half spaces. They also recognized they could exploit the FBs.

Pep was brought in to win the title and finished 3rd in his first season which was seen as a major disappointment.

He made a fast start but soon faded cause the opposition worked on stopping some of their strong points.

Pep was able to totally change the FBs, and simultaneously sharpen up his attack.

He didn't change much, just got even better at it.

I saw so many aspects of our play today where a sharper pass or better touch or a player recognizing a run quicker would have given us greater attacking success.

We need to really sharpen it up. Then teams think they have you solved but you turn a switch and it doesn't matter what they do because your plan A is just too good.
We just need to get better at every aspect.

Pep's football hasn't evolved that much really. It's just little details.

And you'll notice, if they have a game where someone does them 0-1. They will absolutely pummel one of their next opponents as they sharpen it up.

We are in the early stages of this process.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Credit to Wolves, they had a good plan, executed it perfectly and had top performances from Dawson and Neto. We've created some chances, but were too slow.

The real problems were in defense and usually it's on the manager. We've lost Porro and Udogie, but their replacements are supposed to be better defensively. Still, we've let Wolves had 12 shots and some of them were clear cut chances from just couple of yards. There has to be some changes to the system. Arsenal and City play with four centre backs right now. In Football Manager terms, too many of our players are on attacking mentality.

Gary O’Neil should be in with a shout for manager of the season. He took over an incredibly dysfunctional wolves side who had to sell players without adequately replacing them to stay within PSR. He’s done an excellent job and is quite clearly a brilliant coach.

 

[ljinko888]

In my opinion it’s because teams now sit back and give our midfield no space to work in. I don’t think it has anything to do on rustiness or anything, there’s just simply no space for our creative players to work in.

This is correct. The way to make a difference without changing the system is to have an excellent 1v1 dribbler on the wing and constantly get the ball out to him to run. That will force the opposition to double mark him and take someone out of the middle. Instead most of our play goes to Kulu who doesn't take anyone on the outside anymore.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

You don't have to like him to acknowledge that he has a much better CV at a higher level than Ange.

Conte has a strong but not elite (no European success) CV. He did a great job here in his first season. He then imploded (as he literally always does after not very long in every job he takes) and decided to undermine the club and the players in order to give Levy no option but to sack him so he could get a nice big payout. Ange may not have won any top league titles but he is, unlike Conte, an honourable guy.

 

[TOLBINY]

Mate.

I've posted this elsewhere, I think it may well have even been in reply to you. But Conte, regardless of his historical achievements, wasn't working here. I wanted him backed, I baked him and Jose to the hilt, but by the end of his tenure I wasn't even watching Spurs. I barely watched a game in the last 3 or 4 months of last season.

If you're pissed off and don't like Ange, that's fine. If you're not, or haven't enjoyed watching Spurs this season, or even enjoyed some of the results, that's fine too.

But if the above are true, and it's winding you up or effecting your mood significantly every week, take a break from Spurs. It'll do you good.

I always like watching Spurs - they are in my blood - even when we are playing sh!t or we got related to Div 2 (yes that's how old I am) I went to the Lane. I only get high when we win a trophy, and I only get down when we lose a final, the week to week doesn't impact my mood that much, I've seen it all before.

It's not about liking a manager - I like Ange for his personality, I am desperate for him to do well and I want him to be given the time - but there is not enough in what I have seen to date or in his CV to make me believe he will.

Conte was a different personality, I liked him for his CV and I believed that given the time we were likely to win something.

Merge Ange's personality and Conte's nous and you'd have a pretty good manager.

 

[rossdapep]

glasner ball with 2 weeks to set up. No way we are beating a superior low block transition team. ayew will bag quite a few goals.

On the other hand ange has 2 weeks to sort something out. One of those should be Son in the 9 and bin the brazillian donkey.

I don't get this 'doom and gloom' mindset. Sorry.

It hasn't been great recently but football can change in one instance.

A few weeks ago Arsenal were in a crisis and losing. Struggling to score.

They have just won 5-0, 6-0 and 5-0.

 

[leray]

Gary O’Neil should be in with a shout for manager of the season. He took over an incredibly dysfunctional wolves side who had to sell players without adequately replacing them to stay within PSR. He’s done an excellent job and is quite clearly a brilliant coach.

Yeah, especially when Lopetegui left, because they didn't sign anyone and thought they were heading for a relegation. O'Neil stepped in with two weeks before the season (?) and just went straight down to business.

Second time in a row he's embarrassing with predecessor.

 

[rossdapep]

Positive spin.

We haven't been playing well and have taken 20 pts from 10 games.

What if we do click?- you have to imagine we will do.

How many points will we then take?