Match Threads Spurs vs Chelsea - Match Thread - Day 21

[Donki]

Two managers on the bounce? Interesting.

Again of course the blame in on the players also, but if my team was under performing my boss would be asking me why I cant get a song out of them.

 

[CrazyHeart]

How much longer do we put up with it??

End of the season.

Edit : Or an unlikely relegation threat.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Again of course the blame in on the players also, but if my team was under performing my boss would be asking me why I cant get a song out of them.

Under performing managers, it's a growing trend.

 

[CrazyHeart]

Mourinho needs to spend £150m to get in the players to make his system work, that's after having just signed six players (some of them big names).

There's plenty of managers who would look at the squad we already have and think they can sure as fuck compete this year and just need a top class CB in summer.

Looked like his system worked just fine against City, Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Southampton etc. without £150m...

 

[Matthew]

How else were we meant to get there then?

im just saying it was a relatively easy route to a final, for a cup MOST clubs aren't concerned about, and shouldn't be used as a barometer for how successful he has been.

 

[idontgetit]

Looked like his system worked just fine against City, Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Southampton etc. without £150m...

You're referring to us this season?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

im just saying it was a relatively easy route to a final, for a cup MOST clubs aren't concerned about, and shouldn't be used as a barometer for how successful he has been.

They aren't?

Okay.

 

[Japhet]

Two managers on the bounce? Interesting.

Or, you could say Chelsea, Man Utd, Tottenham - 3 clubs on the bounce where the players gave up with one common denominator.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Or, you could say Chelsea, Man Utd, Tottenham - 3 clubs on the bounce where the players gave up with one common denominator.

Yeah, he won stuff before he left two of them and no one was complaining when he did.

 

[Matthew]

“Pens against the chavs”.... downplay that game all you want, but I was proud of our team that night for pulling that off.

okay, yes ill give you that one, we played well and ended our hoodoo with pens, but can you say we honestly played well against stoke & bremtford?

 

[Mattspurs1982]

It’s not that they can’t, they’ve already proved that they can earlier in the season, resulting in us topping the league with some significant scalps along the way.
The problem, as I see it, is that they’ve just stopped doing all the things that make the system work.

We could bring in Nagelsmann, Hassenhutl, or any other manager with a different system or “philosophy” that will change the way we play, but if the players decide they don’t want to do it then do we scrap another manager, rinse and repeat?

I’m in full agreement that we don’t appear to have a way of playing that breaks down teams that sit in deep and make us break them down, but this does not apply to our last 3 games. We’ve already PROVEN that his system, played as required, can beat even the slickest of possession teams, but since the loss at Anfield we’ve simply stopped doing it, apart from the Leeds win, which just emphasises the fact that the players have just stopped doing what they’re supposed to, what they’re instructed to do.

And this is where JM is not absolvable of any criticism. As manager he has to find a way of getting them back to believing in what he’s trying to achieve.

But sacking him before he’s had the chance?

Has there been any progress in his one year in terms of playing style or the 8 players he’s brought in? Yes it’s not long but the signs aren’t good where we’re heading

 

[Matthew]

So that's a yes. Cool.

is there any need to be so arrogant in your responses? people are entitled to an opinion that differs to yours.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

is there any need to be so arrogant in your responses? people are entitled to an opinion that differs to yours.

It's not arrogant at all. It's a yes using many words.

 

[Mattspurs1982]

Looked like his system worked just fine against City, Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Southampton etc. without £150m...

I really enjoyed the 20% possession at home, hiding behind the sofa hoping other teams miss their chances and scoring with our 2 attacks per game. It worked a couple of times but been found out now

 

[Mattspurs1982]

End of the season.

Edit : Or an unlikely relegation threat.

we saw on the Amazon documentary Levy clearly say publicly at the spurs staff Xmas bash the target was top four. Jose failed to get that last year so levy probably let him off cos he was new in role. Fail to do it again... after the summer recruitment.... watching the football being served up.... hmmm.. not sure the board will be happy how it’s going...

 

[TheTanguy]

Looked like his system worked just fine against City, Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Southampton etc. without £150m...

Which relied almost entirely on two forwards producing the magic, but that's never sustainable for a long period. Especially Son is well-known for being world-class for 2 months before he goes back to mediocrity for 6 weeks.. And repeat. And Kane was always going to get injured at some point.

It also makes you very predictable.

 

[bat-chain]

Yeah, he won stuff before he left two of them and no one was complaining when he did.

They weren’t complaining but they absolutely were sacking him shortly after for creating a toxic atmosphere and playing turgid football.

And yes he may have won stuff with clubs with huge financial power, but he's not getting that at Spurs.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

They weren’t complaining but they absolutely were sacking him shortly after for creating a toxic atmosphere and playing turgid football.

And yes he may have won stuff with clubs with huge financial power, but he's not getting that at Spurs.

Agree on your last part regarding finance and his view Vs the board - then again the summer proved that.

Yeah, we're more than likely sacking him because our players have already downed tools ... Not sure how to take that considering ...

 

[bat-chain]

If it’s any consolation I still oddly think we could win Europa and rescue the season, if this was a film where Jose gets redemption that’s what would happen.

 

[CrazyHeart]

okay, yes ill give you that one, we played well and ended our hoodoo with pens, but can you say we honestly played well against stoke & bremtford?

This season, I'd take results with less desirable football than exciting play without any. Right now, we're in a bad patch and there's an issue that clearly extends beyond the manager. Free flowing exciting football AND results takes time, investment and longevity given a team like ours.