Saido Berahino

[viktorviktor]

Remember that WBA wasn't above spinning information for their own gain in the last transfer window with Pearces ridicolous statements - why should we believe that what they are doing now is any different?

Furthermore, I don't think that Poch would state his love for a player that was disruptive and ill-behaved. That is the anti-thesis of Pochs philosophy.

I still don't see the quality in SB that Poch sees, but I'm sure that Poch and the people at the club are much more skilled at judging a players potential than I am. Much more concerned about Levy supporting his manager and Pearce coming off his high horse.

 

[Trix]

a) Not the same situation, ones a raise/promotion and the other one is leaving the company altogether to join a rival
b) Yes I would. It's called have a little bit of class rather than causing an upset. Makes yourself and your company look bad. People so quick to try and get revenge or cause a scene, but it doesn't need to happen that way. If you continue working well and get your head down it's just as likely you'll get a promotion/raise or in this case a transfer.
c) Don't be so quick to call people out for them just giving you a neg rep or whatever. Not the first time you've done this this week.

I couldn't care less about getting neg reps and only ask on certain occasions, when I am genuinely interested to hear why someones opinion completely differs from my own. Also you don't have to answer, I certainly wouldn't be offended if you didn't.

 

[db1]

I wonder if there's truth in the Liverpool interest as if so, we're probably wasting our time. They just go in and do it immediately with strikers. They've not all worked for them but they must have signed 10 strikers for every 1 we have in the last 5 years and no I didn't check that on transfer news or whatever I'm actually terrified at the prospect of us throwing this season away by having no back up for Kane by the end of the window.

 

[worcestersauce]

And that gives him a reason to be a **** at their training ground and in the dressing room? That gives him a reason to demand a move after a decent 4 months of 2014 and nothing of note since? Give me a break.

If only something in this post were true!

 

[kishman]

£10m plus Andwos. Simples

 

[Tit&Ham]

£10m plus Andwos. Simples

So about 8 in total them...

 

[sloth]

We have several parties here, each with their own agenda.

1. Saido Berahino - presumably the boy just wants to play football at the highest level he can and be well remunerated for doing so. Simple. But he's also human and if he feels slighted or betrayed will, hopefully, react as a normal human will. He may also be spoilt, self-serving, immature, and a host of other possibilities. We'll never know the truth there.
2. The agent - if he's good he wants the best for his client and in achieving that he hopes he'll do the best for himself over the long run. If he's shit he just wants the best for himself and fuck what's in the long-term interest of his client. I think SB sacked his last agent for being a bit like the latter, implying that his next one might be a bit more like the former.
3. The Chairman - God knows his agenda. At heart it's what''s best for his club I guess, but in practice there are so many egos involved, often with business men who've enjoyed success in a arena outside football looking to make a statement within it. Certainly Peace seems to be trying to prove something to the world, though fuck knows what? Anyway, whatever he thought he was showing from where I'm sitting he's ended up showing something completely different. But I'm not the West Brom fans, and maybe having failed with his wider image, it's now just about not looking an incompetent nitwit to his home fan constituency?
4. The manager - a good manager wants the best for his team and in achieving this he hopes he'll do the best for himself over the long run. I believe Pulis is one of these, but that can mean going against the interests of the Chairman, and/or the fans, and/or the player if he thinks it's for the greater good.
5. The buying club -
6. The press -

There's undoubtedly more than the six interested parties above.

Anyway, what I really wanted to say is that with all the conflicting agendas how the fuck we as fans think we're in position to make a judgement on a player after reading a couple of articles and interpreting a few public utterances is beyond me! Can't we just admit we don't know, and shut up until we're in a better position to judge?

 

[jezz]

We have several parties here, each with their own agenda.

1. Saido Berahino - presumably the boy just wants to play football at the highest level he can and be well remunerated for doing so. Simple. But he's also human and if he feels slighted or betrayed will, hopefully, react as a normal human will. He may also be spoilt, self-serving, immature, and a host of other possibilities. We'll never know the truth there.
2. The agent - if he's good he wants the best for his client and in achieving that he hopes he'll do the best for himself over the long run. If he's shit he just wants the best for himself and fuck what's in the long-term interest of his client. I think SB sacked his last agent for being a bit like the latter, implying that his next one might be a bit more like the former.
3. The Chairman - God knows his agenda. At heart it's what''s best for his club I guess, but in practice there are so many egos involved, often with business men who've enjoyed success in a arena outside football looking to make a statement within it. Certainly Peace seems to be trying to prove something to the world, though fuck knows what? Anyway, whatever he thought he was showing from where I'm sitting he's ended up showing something completely different. But I'm not the West Brom fans, and maybe having failed with his wider image, it's now just about not looking an incompetent nitwit to his home fan constituency?
4. The manager - a good manager wants the best for his team and in achieving this he hopes he'll do the best for himself over the long run. I believe Pulis is one of these, but that can mean going against the interests of the Chairman, and/or the fans, and/or the player if he thinks it's for the greater good.
5. The buying club -
6. The press -

There's undoubtedly more than the six interested parties above.

Anyway, what I really wanted to say is that with all the conflicting agendas how the fuck we as fans think we're in position to make a judgement on a player after reading a couple of articles and interpreting a few public utterances is beyond me! Can't we just admit we don't know, and shut up until we're in a better position to judge?

Not really this is the Internet and we all want to be heard

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Look, I can understand people saying that we can't believe the stuff in the media, as it could just be WBA stirring up the shit to make Berahino look like the baddie & keep the supporters onside.

However, did the press/club make up the story about the pissed up 100mph+ jolly down the motorway?

Did the press/club make up the tweet that Berahino posted on Deadline Day in the summer, in which he stated he'd refuse to play whilst his current chairman (so, boss) was in charge?

The lad is supposed to be a professional footballer. We're his actions those of a professional?

From a THFC perspective, has our club not shipped out, or are trying to ship out everyone who has acted unprofessionally?

Maybe that's the main point of those who aren't 100% up for this transfer? Personally speaking, although I'm not impressed by his conduct, it's the player himself I'm not overly enthused by. I haven't seen much that impresses me, he reminds me of Defoe, who I also never particularly liked as a player. Sure he scored goals for us (I do respect that) but there's a reason he's no longer at the club, just as there's a reason he's ended up on the bench for every manager he's played under. He's not a team player, and that's what I've seen in Berahino.

If Poch wants him, he knows much more about footy, and the player than I do. So if the lad ends up in a THFC shirt, I'll obviously hope he's a massive success, and I have a feeling @yankspurs & anyone else who isn't overly keen on Berahino will feel/think exactly the same thing.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

I read something somewhere the other day that said Poch doesn't just bring in players based on their ability on the field.
He studies the kind of person they are and what impact that might have on the team.
Note that we haven't seen photos of any of our players falling out of nightclubs/taxis or puffing on a shisha pipe for a while!

Personally, I'm not sold on Berahino being right for our club in terms of mentality.
However, that may just be down to how he reacted to how he has been treated by WBA.

 

[yankspurs]

I read something somewhere the other day that said Poch doesn't just bring in players based on their ability on the field.
He studies the kind of person they are and what impact that might have on the team.
Note that we haven't seen photos of any of our players falling out of nightclubs/taxis or puffing on a shisha pipe for a while!

Personally, I'm not sold on Berahino being right for our club in terms of mentality.
However, that may just be down to how he reacted to how he has been treated by WBA.

Poch handed Ade the starting striker role on a silver platter. Even immediately after he came back from illness in preseason, he started right away. Not only that, he gave him vice captaincy! He gave Kaboul captaincy. And he also signed Osvaldo at Saints. I'd venture to guess that his studies have failed him miserably at times recently.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Poch handed Ade the starting striker role on a silver platter. Even immediately after he came back from illness in preseason, he started right away. Not only that, he gave him vice captaincy! He gave Kaboul captaincy. And he also signed Osvaldo at Saints. I'd venture to guess that his studies have failed him miserably at times recently.

Maybe he's learnt from those experiences...

 

[Ribble]

Poch handed Ade the starting striker role on a silver platter. Even immediately after he came back from illness in preseason, he started right away. Not only that, he gave him vice captaincy! He gave Kaboul captaincy. And he also signed Osvaldo at Saints. I'd venture to guess that his studies have failed him miserably at times recently.

Trying to get two senior players already at the club onside by offering them roles of responsibility is hardly the same thing as looking to sign someone new. As for Osvaldo he knew the guy well already from Espanyol, I'm pretty sure Poch has said publicly he felt let down by him after what happened at Southampton.

 

[double0]

I think Berahino will be a good fit for Spurs especially with the age group of players we have at the club... I also feel there's much more scope for development he's already a sweet finisher strikes the ball clean.

 

[yankspurs]

Trying to get two senior players already at the club onside by offering them roles of responsibility is hardly the same thing as looking to sign someone new. As for Osvaldo he knew the guy well already from Espanyol, I'm pretty sure Poch has said publicly he felt let down by him after what happened at Southampton.

Giving a player that's been a problem at Spurs and every other club he's been at in the past a leadership role upon your arrival is much worse than looking to sign another known problem.

My point is, if he's learned from these experienced, then why is he looking to bring in a player with publicized attitude problems? It would be one thing if Berahino got on with it after his tweet, kept his head down and played football like Schneiderlin did. Instead, Berahino very obviously is not doing that at all. Thats on top of his other transgressions at the the club, whether with the first team or with their youth team(like we have gotten info about here).

 

[double0]

Giving a player that's been a problem at Spurs and every other club he's been at in the past a leadership role upon your arrival is much worse than looking to sign another known problem.

My point is, if he's learned from these experienced, then why is he looking to bring in a player with publicized attitude problems? It would be one thing if Berahino got on with it after his tweet, kept his head down and played football like Schneiderlin did. Instead, Berahino very obviously is not doing that at all. Thats on top of his other transgressions at the the club, whether with the first team or with their youth team(like we have gotten info about here).

I don't think he's been aloud to get on with it. In a way he's been let down by two egoistic men looking to out do each other.

Pulis mentioned the term treated like a piece of meat in an interview.

 

[Dave-F]

Look, I can understand people saying that we can't believe the stuff in the media, as it could just be WBA stirring up the shit to make Berahino look like the baddie & keep the supporters onside.

However, did the press/club make up the story about the pissed up 100mph+ jolly down the motorway?

Did the press/club make up the tweet that Berahino posted on Deadline Day in the summer, in which he stated he'd refuse to play whilst his current chairman (so, boss) was in charge?

The lad is supposed to be a professional footballer. We're his actions those of a professional?

From a THFC perspective, has our club not shipped out, or are trying to ship out everyone who has acted unprofessionally?

Maybe that's the main point of those who aren't 100% up for this transfer? Personally speaking, although I'm not impressed by his conduct, it's the player himself I'm not overly enthused by. I haven't seen much that impresses me, he reminds me of Defoe, who I also never particularly liked as a player. Sure he scored goals for us (I do respect that) but there's a reason he's no longer at the club, just as there's a reason he's ended up on the bench for every manager he's played under. He's not a team player, and that's what I've seen in Berahino.

If Poch wants him, he knows much more about footy, and the player than I do. So if the lad ends up in a THFC shirt, I'll obviously hope he's a massive success, and I have a feeling @yankspurs & anyone else who isn't overly keen on Berahino will feel/think exactly the same thing.

In regards the speeding and the Tweet, I think the key issue here is, as you've said, he is a lad. As such, I wouldn't class him yet as a professional. I can remember doing plenty of stupid things at a similar age and I'm glad the media glare wasn't aimed at me. As such, I can forgive his mistakes and sins as long as they are suitably punished and he learns from them. In both cases he was suitably punished, but it's hard to say whether he will learn.

For him personally it might be better if he doesn't join us as he will learn that a silly Tweet like that is not the way to go about things, not matter how fustrated you are at the time.

However, from a footballing point of view, we are clearly a very good club for him (although wouldn't be surprised to see him join Pool or similar now). All we do know is that Poch works with young players because he can teach them his ways, including how to behave properly. Lamela is case in point for me of someone who has gone from being a 'lad' to a professional whilst Poch is in charge.

With that in mind, I'd be cautiously happy to see him come, but with the caveat that Poch and team have a heart-to-heart chat about expectations before he actually puts pen to paper.

 

[Ribble]

Giving a player that's been a problem at Spurs and every other club he's been at in the past a leadership role upon your arrival is much worse than looking to sign another known problem.

I think it would have been a bigger issue had he just immediately sacked off two popular players within the dressing room to be frank, he gave them a clean slate and a chance to prove themselves. When it became apparent they had failed to take it their own shortcomings were what got them taken out of the team, rather than it being Pochettino "arbitrarily" isolating them.

 

[Shadydan]

Look, I can understand people saying that we can't believe the stuff in the media, as it could just be WBA stirring up the shit to make Berahino look like the baddie & keep the supporters onside.

However, did the press/club make up the story about the pissed up 100mph+ jolly down the motorway?

Did the press/club make up the tweet that Berahino posted on Deadline Day in the summer, in which he stated he'd refuse to play whilst his current chairman (so, boss) was in charge?

The lad is supposed to be a professional footballer. We're his actions those of a professional?

From a THFC perspective, has our club not shipped out, or are trying to ship out everyone who has acted unprofessionally?

Maybe that's the main point of those who aren't 100% up for this transfer? Personally speaking, although I'm not impressed by his conduct, it's the player himself I'm not overly enthused by. I haven't seen much that impresses me, he reminds me of Defoe, who I also never particularly liked as a player. Sure he scored goals for us (I do respect that) but there's a reason he's no longer at the club, just as there's a reason he's ended up on the bench for every manager he's played under. He's not a team player, and that's what I've seen in Berahino.

If Poch wants him, he knows much more about footy, and the player than I do. So if the lad ends up in a THFC shirt, I'll obviously hope he's a massive success, and I have a feeling @yankspurs & anyone else who isn't overly keen on Berahino will feel/think exactly the same thing.

Morgan Schneirderlin also sent a derogatory tweet to Southampton and their board when he couldn't get his move so let's not get too hung up on that, players are humans and despite us thinking that they should remain 100% professional you can't expect them to act like robots.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Morgan Schneirderlin also sent a derogatory tweet to Southampton and their board when he couldn't get his move so let's not get too hung up on that, players are humans and despite us thinking that they should remain 100% professional you can't expect them to act like robots.

I don't condone his actions either. I guess I'm old fashioned, and believe that someone who is happy to not only sign a contract to become a professional footballer (or any other sport) , but is also happy to pick up the massive salary that comes with said professional status, should conduct themselves accordingly.

I think back, about some truly excellent players who knew/understood what it means to be a professional. Most recently, Paul Scholes is who comes to mind first. Absolutely wonderful player (better than most of the famous group that broke through under Ferguson, in my opinion). The guy would just show up for work, do his job & then we wouldn't see or hear a single thing about him until his next game.

I can see our own Harry Kane being the same. Humble, grounded, hard working & absolutely no ego whatsoever.

Sorry for the lengthy post, I just wanted to try & explain myself a bit better. I guess I could've just said "look at Paul Schools, that's how a professional conducts himself/herself"