Ref Watch 2022-23

[nedley]

Is the state of refereeing worse or is the focus and attention on it greater than ever? I think we are now expecting perfection from people which I don't think is possible. ?‍

I disagree.

I didn't expect perfection before but I expect something close to that if they get to check on a TV monitor.

I mean, how is that Kane foul yesterday not a pen if VAR are there to check?

I think it's as bad as it's ever been.

 

[Monkey boy]

I disagree.

I didn't expect perfection before but I expect something close to that if they get to check on a TV monitor.

I mean, how is that Kane foul yesterday not a pen if VAR are there to check?

I think it's as bad as it's ever been.

Because the foul occurred outside the box and therefore VAR could not intervene.

 

[Steffen]

I disagree.

I didn't expect perfection before but I expect something close to that if they get to check on a TV monitor.

I mean, how is that Kane foul yesterday not a pen if VAR are there to check?

I think it's as bad as it's ever been.

If we're thinking of the same incident - it wasn't a penalty, because the foul started outside the area. VAR doesn't interfere with fouls outside the area.

 

[JimmyG2]

I thought that in the France/ England game
the main weakness was the inconsistency,
especially over tackles deserving of free kicks/yellow cards.
They seemed to favour France but that's probably my own bias.
The unpunished foul on Saka leading up to their first goal
was the most significant.

Generally the refereeing has been acceptable/good.

 

[nedley]

If we're thinking of the same incident - it wasn't a penalty, because the foul started outside the area. VAR doesn't interfere with fouls outside the area.

Nope.

Contact was made on the line and into the area.

 

[Marty]

Nope.

Contact was made on the line and into the area.

There was no angle that conclusively showed that the kick that brought Kane down was made inside the area.

 

[taidgh]

There was no angle that conclusively showed that the kick that brought Kane down was made inside the area.

And in any case, only it's only holding that is considered a penalty if it continues on into the penalty area. The placement of the free kick for all other fouls is based on first contact.

 

[mr ashley]

If we're thinking of the same incident - it wasn't a penalty, because the foul started outside the area. VAR doesn't interfere with fouls outside the area.

It’s pretty ridiculous that the system to judge for foul play only becomes involved for penalties and nothing else- if only because of the dominance of set piece play around the box.
Checking for possible penalty? Well we found evidence of a foul but because it’s marginally outside the box let’s just play on lads.
ludicrous

 

[nedley]

Another stinker in the Cro v Morocco game.

They literally have a screen.

 

[cwy21]

Another stinker in the Cro v Morocco game.

They literally have a screen.

Politics is the only reason he's on this game. Qatar has the Co chair on FIFA ref committee and the same guy is chair of the AFC ref committee. After Asia's best ref got sent home early this was their consolation gift.

 

[nedley]

Politics is the only reason he's on this game. Qatar has the Co chair on FIFA ref committee and the same guy is chair of the AFC ref committee. After Asia's best ref got sent home early this was their consolation gift.

I don't blame the ref for not calling that a pen. It's difficult in real time.

But there's a bus load sitting infront of monitors and with the ability to watch replays. It's fucking mind boggling.

 

[Trotter]

Was that the worst day for VAR since it has been introduced, having to apologise for 3 incidents. To put things into perspective they apologise for 4 errors a season previously, 3 in seven matches today.
Brighton disallowed goal v Crystal Palace where human error led to VAR checking against the third last rather than second last defender and incorrectly ruling out goal. VAR is also VAR for Merseyside Derby and Arsenal v Man City this week, surely he needs to be removed.

Bournemouth goal awarded versus Arsenal, VAR was so incensed in checking a subjective offside decision (which he probably got wrong anyway) that he forgot to check a clear objective decision and the player that assisted the Bournemouth goal was offside and should have been disallowed.
Lee Mason VAR, say no more, poor referee, appalling VAR, should be sacked, numerous mistakes this season.

Chelsea penalty not awarded versus West Ham, PGMOL admit human error, penalty should have been awarded. The VAR was the head of VAR under Mike Riley, Niel Swarbrick. No wonder the implementation was so awful

 

[cwy21]

There's plenty of evidence that a top level referee doesn't make your top level var. It takes a different set of skills and awareness to be able to quickly find the right camera angle and present that information to the referee. It also takes awareness to make sure you check every possible situation.

Webb has a lot of work ahead of him.

 

[JCRD]

I hate the ref criticism because I find it mundane and boring and the whole corruption thing that is aimed at them is pathetic but yesterday the Arsenal decision 'forgetting to draw th elines' - thats damning. I cant argue with that as that was pathetic.

I dont think the West Ham one was a pen though - I still think it hit his knee, it may have grazed his hand off his knee but think ti was def knee first.

 

[Trotter]

Some accountability.
Lee Mason has left PGMOL by “mutual consent”

 

[tony0379]

Some accountability.
Lee Mason has left PGMOL by “mutual consent”

What did he do?

 

[Marty]

What did he do?

Failed to draw the line when VARing Brentford-Arsenal which led to Brentford's goal standing when it should've been offside.

He's too old to ref having just passed 50 but he and Mike Dean were kept on as VAR only refs to ease the burden on the rest. So fairly easy to set him aside I'd imagine, at least compared to dismissing a younger ref who was still on the pitch.

 

[bubble07]

What did he do?

More of a case of what he didn't do

 

[Trotter]

What did he do?

Numerous VAR mistakes over this and last season, the last one this weekend when he failed to check an offside and therefore a goal was incorrectly awarded

 

[Tucker]

Just had another look at that Sabitzer challenge from yesterday.

Something really reeks when two different Refs look at a knee high, studs up challenge and don’t send the player off.

It’s as obvious and clear as you can get. You can almost 100% guarantee that if he wasn’t wearing a United kit yesterday he’d have been sent for an early bath.

Now is it down to simple incompetence, or is something more malign at play? How can two top refs both get it so wrong?