Match Ratings Ratings vs Crystal Palace (A)

[That Wanyama Goal]

That was brutal to watch. We lost 3-0 at Brighton a few seasons ago, I thought that was bad but this was way worse. Moura was the only player who put in a performance. Please don’t ever play Skipp, Hojberg and Winks together Nuno, thanks

 

[jimmyh]

Please don't ever play Winks again I don't care if it's a friendly he is pathetic. This is our 3rd Portuguese manager in recent years why did we seriously think our football would be any different from the first 2.

Boring negative tactics no interest in the attacking or entertainment side of the game. We got out of jail with the first 3 games but there is no hiding now Nuno when you set your team up like that. Papering over cracks with players that we have seen the past few seasons are quite frankly nowhere near good enough.

 

[PLTuck]

Please don't ever play Winks again I don't care if it's a friendly he is pathetic. This is our 3rd Portuguese manager in recent years why did we seriously think our football would be any different from the first 2.

Boring negative tactics no interest in the attacking or entertainment side of the game. We got out of jail with the first 3 games but there is no hiding now Nuno when you set your team up like that. Papering over cracks with players that we have seen the past few seasons are quite frankly nowhere near good enough.

That's a great idea. Throw some casual racism into the already toxic mix.

 

[parj]

Nice to throw some casual racism into the already toxic mix.

Where is the racism?

 

[PLTuck]

Where is the racism?

this is our 3rd Portuguese manager in recent years why did we seriously think our football would be any different from the first 2.

If you can't see the prejudice and ignorance in that sentence I don't know what to tell you.

 

[ultimateloner]

This type of game reflects the lack of technical ability across our squad when we are expected to dominate in posession.

My view is we simply lack the personnel to play proactively. Our midfield trio says it all today. And to those of you who feel Nuno made a selection error, IMO he did not. Tanguy is not the answer, as the right physical condition is a pre-requisite to play. Gil also isn't the right answer yet.

We rely on Kane to create but that only works when we are counter-attacking in transition. Lucas tried and played well today but he is still more suited to counter-attacking than on picking players out.

In contrast Palace has Zaha, who has the ability to create and score on his own, and is a better player than any of our AMs.

I think we have to come to expect that we will under-perform in this sort of games and over-perform in others (e.g. against so-called better sides because we are allowed to play the only type of football we can play: counter attack).

This is a legacy left over from the Mourinho days, and Nuno is not much different from Mourinho. He has improved our defence but I don't expect him to bring more to the table.

Until we have a wholesome change in terms of the players we try to bring to this club, our footballing style (in terms of variety) wont change.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Why single them out? Hardly anyone deserves a mention today.

Exactly. Literally no one had a good match but the agendas are out as usual…

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Can't fault any of them.

Front to back, top to bottom. All perfectly shit!

 

[mr ashley]

If you can't see the prejudice and ignorance in that sentence I don't know what to tell you.

It’s not racism, simply because the Portuguese are not a race. But it is prejudiced and ignorant to suggest that their defensive tactics all stem from their nationality alone (unless it was a known tactic centred in Portuguese football, similar to the old Italian catenaccio approach).
But anyway, it reminded me of the performance (and lineup) in the Carabao cup final. Timid, tepid and altogether predictable
What did we learn from today?
Our squad is paper thin, heavily reliant on our three world class players being on form.
Out side of Kane, son and Lloris we are weak mentally and devoid of ideas.
I really hope Romero comes good, and Gil and Scarlett convert their potential into Kane- like performances because we have clearly pinned all our hopes on them.

was it the right decision to keep the money in the bank and turn down signing the likes of traore and ings/Edouard?
Doesn’t feel like it right now.

 

[DenverSpur]

Well that was a clusterf**k of a performance. I was shocked that Nuno picked Emerson to start his first game in a disrupted back four especially when he would be up against Zaha. I could have understood the selection in back 3. The system and line up we have used in the first 3 games has worked so far so why change it. Just change like for like; Rodin (who I thought played well when he came on)for Sanchez and Gil for Son/Berwijn.
As it was I really have no idea what system we were playing! I have no idea what position Dele(who I thought worked hard all game albeit to little effect) was supposed to be playing. As Kane kept dropping deep and Lucas was more effective running at the defense from deep we literally had no forward line to trouble the Palace defense.
I presumed the idea was have the 2 FBs bombing forward to feed the “forwards” but as the passing out to them from the midfield was either too slow or inaccurate we had no attacking threat. Overall our passing was very poor - Regullion was especially bad.
Add to all that were the errors that ultimately cost us..
Lloris’s pass to Dier was a hospital ball(and I fear Dier may have suffered a serious knee injury) and his distribution in general was poor.
Tanganga was having a good game at CB but his lunge for the second yellow was silly but a feature of his inexperience.
Although you can hardly call the Davies penalty hand to ball he should be experienced enough to know not to have his arm out at right angles to his body as a cross comes in.
But the biggest error was from Nuno. After needless changing the shape of the team how he couldn’t see it wasn’t working and needed changing is both baffling and worrying. We desperately needed some creativity in midfield and/or more pace up front if we hoped to be more effective on the counter attack. As it was apart from the first 15 minutes or so,when I thought we had some good movement off the ball let down by poor passing, we were constantly under the cosh and Nuno’s refusal to do anything to change the situation was damning.
Tanganga, until his sending off, Rodin and Regullion were good at the back. Emerson had a tough debut.
The midfield lack fight and creativity and was ineffective defensively and attack wise.
Lucas never stopped trying and was the only attacking threat. He also was one of the most tenacious tacklers.
Kane was invisible. He may have lacked service but as CF he needs to push up against the CBs to give us an out ball instead of always dropping deep and leaving no option up front.
A day to forget but unless Nuno learns from it one which unfortunately sets a template for future “bad day at the office” performances.

 

[jimmyh]

That's a great idea. Throw some casual racism into the already toxic mix.

What part of that is racist?

 

[PLTuck]

What part of that is racist?

Agreed I used the wrong word. Change it to prejudiced.

 

[jimmyh]

If you can't see the prejudice and ignorance in that sentence I don't know what to tell you.

Nothing prejudice or ignorant at all it happens to be factual that we have had 3 managers from the same country who have played a very boring negative type of football nothing against the country or Portuguese people just the fact that at some stage the 3 of them worked together and it seems they have the same ideas on how to play football.

I am not nor have ever been racist in any shape or form. I live in the North of Ireland and having had my family and myself suffer from prejudice and sectarianism I would not be prejudicial to anyone on any forum let alone my teams football forum. I think you need to check yourself.

 

[PLTuck]

Nothing prejudice or ignorant at all it happens to be factual that we have had 3 managers from the same country who have played a very boring negative type of football nothing against the country or Portuguese people just the fact that at some stage the 3 of them worked together and it seems they have the same ideas on how to play football.

I am not nor have ever been racist in any shape or form. I live in the North of Ireland and having had my family and myself suffer from prejudice and sectarianism I would not be prejudicial to anyone on any forum let alone my teams football forum. I think you need to check yourself.

But your suggestion that Nuno is defensive because he is Portuguese is prejudiced. I can't see any argument about that.

 

[TheTanguy]

People do need to calm down, and remember we were without Sanchez, Son, Bergwijn, Romero, Lo Celso and lost Dier early. We had a debut at RB, and inexperienced CB pairing which included Tanganga's first game at CB.

There is something really wrong with the squad if it's a problem that midtable players like Sanchez, Bergwijn and Dier are not playing.

 

[isaac94]

0 for Nuno, horrendous from start to finish

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

That's a great idea. Throw some casual racism into the already toxic mix.

What part of that is racist?

Agreed I used the wrong word. Change it to prejudiced.

You did, all too casually in fact.

But your suggestion that Nuno is defensive because he is Portuguese is prejudiced. I can't see any argument about that.

Because it's still not anywhere near enough information to call someone prejudiced against Portuguese people.

Different countries have different football cultures, and Coaches are often a product of that environment.

It's a comment very specific to football cultures, based on his experience as a Spurs fan. Whether you agree with it or not in sporting terms.

It doesn't mean @jimmyh would go into a Portuguese restaurant and be rude to the staff because "I know your lot, you all play with three defensive midfielders, no wonder your food's so cautious and pedestrian!"

Would a prejudiced person also say Portuguese coaches are defensive? Probably, but with that alone you still only have 1% of the clues needed to justify assaulting someone's character and de-railing the thread.

 

[Dillspur]

There is something really wrong with the squad if it's a problem that midtable players like Sanchez, Bergwijn and Dier are not playing.

Harsh. I'm no Dier fan but he started the season well and formed a good partnership with Sanchez, who has also been quite good. I also like what I've seen from Bergwijn so far.

 

[jimmyh]

But your suggestion that Nuno is defensive because he is Portuguese is prejudiced. I can't see any argument about that.

The fact is Nuno, Mourinho and Villas Boas all happen to be Portuguese managers whose football is at best negative and boring not because they are Portuguese. I am not arguing anyway just stating fact it was that came up with totally unfounded accusations.

 

[parj]

If you can't see the prejudice and ignorance in that sentence I don't know what to tell you.

That's not racism. It's like saying Coco was aggressive cos he was Argentinian, or Italians play boring football, the Germans are an efficient footballing machine, or English managers are generally rubbish. That's a trait of Portuguese managers of being negative in the PL.