Racist abuse in our stands, we need to face it if it’s there.

[UncleBuck]

Booo booo sounds a lot like “ohhh ohhh”

given the diversity in our fan base, I would be shocked if that happened in our stands that someone would not have said something to the perpetrator

just my take, wasn’t there so I don’t know. Maybe I think too much of our fans, but I’ve never seen or heard anything racist in the slightest , we aren’t that type

Been thinking about this today and it’s a great way for an opposing clubs supporters to cause another club some problems isn’t it?
If they do find whoever done it (if it actually happened because no one else is coming forward) then when they do nick the person in question they need to do a full background check on the idiot concerned before pinning him to a clubs colours.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

We will just get accused of a cover up...

Hence asking independant review of the evidence.

 

[theShiznit]

Hence asking independant review of the evidence.

Exactly.

Great way to shift the focus away from us IMO.

If there was something there's no way we would do that as it's just prolonging something the club would want everyone to forget as quickly as possible.

We're basically saying "let's show this to independents to bring into light and back up the fact there's nothing to see here."

 

[BPR_U16]

I truly hope that there is nothing in the claims. If so, trust it can be proven that
he misheard the chants to such a level that he publicly accepts the fact. For this to happen must be proven independently.
That said, we are still guilty of throwing items on pitch which cannot be condoned either.

 

[thebenjamin]

I truly hope that there is nothing in the claims. If so, trust it can be proven that
he misheard the chants to such a level that he publicly accepts the fact. For this to happen must be proven independently.
That said, we are still guilty of throwing items on pitch which cannot be condoned either.

Throwing shit on the pitch and monkey chants are in different stratospheres to me. This is very surprising as Rudiger must've heard something absolutely definitive to be so certain.

 

[JCRD]

What if Chelscum walked off the pitch? What if they walked off the pitch then it transpired there is absolutely no evidence that there was any racism whatsoever? I think perhaps this 'incident' will also bring into question this whole walking off business.

Unless it is OBVIOUS like the Bulgaria incident then the consequences and repercussions need to be very thought out.

Yes I know it is all inconclusive for now.

 

[bubble07]

Were you on the Jury for OJ Simpson Bubble?

I was his defence attorney

 

[homer hotspur]

Event

What if Chelscum walked off the pitch? What if they walked off the pitch then it transpired there is absolutely no evidence that there was any racism whatsoever? I think perhaps this 'incident' will also bring into question this whole walking off business.

Unless it is OBVIOUS like the Bulgaria incident then the consequences and repercussions need to be very thought out.

Yes I know it is all inconclusive for now.

Eventually, this will happen, somewhere. Someone will be losing and the Coach will get the word out to walk off. It is inevitable in a game where cheating can still be rewarded. Not saying Rudiger did this, although mistaking booing was my immediate thought.

 

[tototoner]

I support my club and players wholeheartedly however wrong is wrong. Son was stupid (ok a head rush in the heat of the moment) and deserved what he got. As far as the “feigning injury” there would have been none had Son not kicked the guy.

Son is wearing studs which might be a lot more painful than we think. Also everyone has a different pain threshold. Now I’m not saying the guy did or didn’t act the part to try getting Son sent off but either way, Son got himself sent off

I will not deny Son was stupid

 

[popstar7]

Rudiger seemed pretty certain that he heard something and I very much doubt that he would just make something up out of nothing. Makes no sense at all. That doesn't mean he didn't get a stand-full of abuse and take it, or part of it, as something it wasn't. If someone did racially abuse him, there's no excuse. It will be on camera - ban the f**ker and hand him over to the police. No question.

But if the millions of cameras, police and club-hired lip-readers can't actually show that there were gestures/chants/abuse by either one individual or a group of individuals then I'm not at all happy that we've been tarnished this way.

As a club, as a support, we've never been racist and we've had to put up with a shedload coming in the other direction. Not least from Chelsea.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

What if Chelscum walked off the pitch? What if they walked off the pitch then it transpired there is absolutely no evidence that there was any racism whatsoever? I think perhaps this 'incident' will also bring into question this whole walking off business.

Unless it is OBVIOUS like the Bulgaria incident then the consequences and repercussions need to be very thought out.

Yes I know it is all inconclusive for now.

What concerns me is that the ref went along with it and gave three warnings to the crowd......despite him and his officials (or apparently anyone else in the stadium) having witnessed nothing themselves!

 

[ohtottenham!]

Take out all the other noise, the club is doing a great job with this.

 

[wirE]

So far the investigation is ‘inconclusive’ and a report that the police has apprehended a Chelski support for racial abuse against Son?

 

[JCRD]

Event

Eventually, this will happen, somewhere. Someone will be losing and the Coach will get the word out to walk off. It is inevitable in a game where cheating can still be rewarded. Not saying Rudiger did this, although mistaking booing was my immediate thought.

What concerns me is that the ref went along with it and gave three warnings to the crowd......despite him and his officials (or apparently anyone else in the stadium) having witnessed nothing themselves!

I didnt mind the warnings to be honest. Warnings are just that a warning... you see warnings everywhere you go.

But imagine if Chelsea just walked off? If they were 5-0 down, what would have happened? you never know, as Homer suggests, and yes it is cynical but you can start making shit up to use it tactically to walk off...

 

[southlondonyiddo]

So ONE supporter has stated he heard monkey chants in 251 ‘clear as day'

And it sounds like he’s saying it was ONE person making these noises

Where is everyone else in 251 coming forward to substantiate what he clearly heard?

 

[fedupyid]

Chelsea Fans are notorious racists. They have had numerous racist players play for them such as Denis Wise and Mark Bosnich.

Then they are owned by one of Putin’s cronies, where there is evidence Russia has pumped money into the UK promoting right wing beliefs and known racialy prejudiced parties.

Then there is the fact Anthony Taylor for some reason followed the UEFA protocols not the FA’s and there were multiple announcements in the stadium which made it look like the incident was ongoing.

This whole situation stinks I hope there is nothing behind the accusation against Spurs fans. I was at the other end of the stadium and all I could hear all game was a racist song about Son.

 

[Gingernut]

So ONE supporter has stated he heard monkey chants in 251 ‘clear as day'

And it sounds like he’s saying it was ONE person making these noises

Where is everyone else in 251 coming forward to substantiate what he clearly heard?

I might have missed it but where did you hear this?

 

[ClintEastwould]

All 3 followed the exact same chain of events though. He was (in his mind) wronged by an opponent and then, immediately afterwards, he lashed out. Yes Lerma and Rudiger exaggerated the contact but it's impossible to defend Son's hot-headed reactions in all 3.

Maybe, but Lamela, Dele, Jan and even Harry have got away with heftier retaliations (as have most players). These Son incidents seem so nothingy in comparison. Ah well, c'est la vie.

Both of these posts are true. Unfortunately all of his retaliations resulted in objectively undeserved results whilst every spurs player to a man deserved to be sent off at the battle of the bridge. Ultimately it is left to the discretion of the ref and even more so now, some bloke in a room miles away watching slow mo replay after replay.

Son has obviously shown that regardless of his nice guy image he will hold grudges but it happens all across the board with varying outcomes depending on circumstantial variables. Kane went into Delph vs city IIRC as a reaction and hurt himself instead. Dier cleaned out Ramos in an England shirt but was roundly applauded because apparently he had it coming bc of his thuggish behavior throughout the years. And these are merely examples of our own players. I’m not trying to exclusively throw then under the bus. Every team and their players does it to some extent but I don’t watch enough of them but you know what I mean.

There’s no moral high ground that any of these players can stand upon (besides our north London fannies Eriksen and Ozil ). Same applies to the racism claims and diving.



I’m also tired of this tribalism that occurs with each isolated incident. These things transcend rivalries. From actual tangible problematic issues like rascism to trivial sports related issues like diving. They/we are all guilty or complicit.

And not complicit in the way that each asshole stains the rest of the fans base. More so the implication that any one fans base is inherently more racists than the other. That may well be true but that is missing the entire point.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I might have missed it but where did you hear this?

 

[Dov67]

in every high profile racist incident at a premier league ground the culprit has been known and shown on TV and social media within minutes of the final whistle and often before.

In spite of the all the SKY cameras, and a CCTV system more sophisticated and all seeing than at any stadium in the world, and wall to wall press coverage, 30 hours later we still have nothing. Meanwhile a chelsea fan has been arrested for racially abusing Sonny, even though there was no high profile clamour because nobody knew he was abused

the only thing we know for certain is that he was getting abuse for his part in Son getting sent off, as he would regardless of skin colour, religion or ethnicity.

I don't personally believe there was any racist abuse against Rudiger, and we will never know if he made an honest mistake or deliberately lied.

I've been going to Spurs since 81, during a time where the atmosphere some black players had to endure was horrific. The only 2 grounds where that was NOT the case from home fans, was White Hart Lane and Highbury.

I'm not buying this, but if proved wrong and someone is found to have hurled racist abuse at any player, fine him, prosecute him, jail him, and ban him from our stadium for the rest of his miserable life.