Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[mil1lion]

It really is peak Spurs if our transfer business is being held back by our inability to move out the mega signing Levy finally made after years of neglecting the squad.

Being held back? We've signed Hojbjerg, Hart and now Doherty with over a month of the window to go.
The only thing Ndombele would hold back is a direct replacement if he leaves

 

[The Legend of Tanguy]

Just shows how perilous the transfer business can be. We obviously got this one wrong. Let’s hope we can move the guy on quickly and not take too much of a hit.

So if this is the way you feel, then I’m assuming you wanted to sell Son after his first season too? Poch told us from day one that TN is a world class talent but is raw and would take time to adapt to the PL.That’s not ITK, that’s an actual legitimate remark made by the manager that signed him. But instead of taking those remarks at face value, so many on here have just decided that because he didn’t perform in his first year that he’s shit, been a waste of money, and should be sold immediately. It’s actually insane. Sure, be skeptical, that is warranted. but at least give the lad some time to grow and actually adapt. That doesn’t just happen over night. Son may have seemed like a waste of money after year 1, but now he’s made that money back 10 times over and is a fan favourite. Why? Because he as given time to adapt! Now, if we’re at the same place on 18 months and Tanguy is still an utter disappointment, I’ll be the first one to say that it’s time to sell. But selling him before he’s given time to grow, adapt, and prove himself would just be an idiotic and hasty decision IMO.

 

[jay2040]

So if this is the way you feel, then I’m assuming you wanted to sell Son after his first season too? Poch told us from day one that TN is a world class talent but is raw and would take time to adapt to the PL.That’s not ITK, that’s an actual legitimate remark made by the manager that signed him. But instead of taking those remarks at face value, so many on here have just decided that because he didn’t perform in his first year that he’s shit, been a waste of money, and should be sold immediately. It’s actually insane. Sure, be skeptical, that is warranted. but at least give the lad some time to grow and actually adapt. That doesn’t just happen over night. Son may have seemed like a waste of money after year 1, but now he’s made that money back 10 times over and is a fan favourite. Why? Because he as given time to adapt! Now, if we’re at the same place on 18 months and Tanguy is still an utter disappointment, I’ll be the first one to say that it’s time to sell. But selling him before he’s given time to grow, adapt, and prove himself would just be an idiotic and hasty decision IMO.

I'm not sure Son displayed such apathy in his first season.
The transfer fee also dictates expectations as well as the wage he is on so not exactly a fair comparison!
I want him to come good however there is very little to indicate he wants to be here and help us succeed.

 

[arunspurs]

Headlines from Gazetta sport today :

I cant find the actual article yet. The headlines translation seems to be : Technician Conte dictates the inter market line. He is dealing with exchange Skriniar Ndombele, tightens for Vidal Kolorav

 

[Spursmad321]

You can’t be serious saying that he didn’t do one thing that excited you or that displayed his immense talent. Give me a break... Yes, his work rate has been disappointing and the ITK on his attitude is very concerning, but his talent is undeniable. When firing, his ball progression abilities via dribbling and incisive forward passes add an extremely valuable element that we simply don’t have anywhere else in the squad.

With the ball at his feet he is undoubtedly a very talented player, unfortunately his mentality doesn't match his talent.

 

[$hoguN]

I’m really not sure swapping Ndombele for a CB is out greatest idea. Totally get he has been a bellend and Jose may want to shift him, and that’s fine. However there must be a better deal out there for us than a swap for a CB

 

[buttons]

I’m really not sure swapping Ndombele for a CB is out greatest idea. Totally get he has been a bellend and Jose may want to shift him, and that’s fine. However there must be a better deal out there for us than a swap for a CB

this is true but if he really is being a bell end then we’re probably better off getting shot and getting someone who actually wants to be here. Saying that, another centre back would leave us rather overstocked in that area!

still think the best scenario is that Barca sort themselves out and we come up with an elaborate swap or loan swap.

 

[Nebby]

So if this is the way you feel, then I’m assuming you wanted to sell Son after his first season too? Poch told us from day one that TN is a world class talent but is raw and would take time to adapt to the PL.That’s not ITK, that’s an actual legitimate remark made by the manager that signed him. But instead of taking those remarks at face value, so many on here have just decided that because he didn’t perform in his first year that he’s shit, been a waste of money, and should be sold immediately. It’s actually insane. Sure, be skeptical, that is warranted. but at least give the lad some time to grow and actually adapt. That doesn’t just happen over night. Son may have seemed like a waste of money after year 1, but now he’s made that money back 10 times over and is a fan favourite. Why? Because he as given time to adapt! Now, if we’re at the same place on 18 months and Tanguy is still an utter disappointment, I’ll be the first one to say that it’s time to sell. But selling him before he’s given time to grow, adapt, and prove himself would just be an idiotic and hasty decision IMO.

I‘m afraid that comparison with Son just doesn’t stack up; the main difference being that Poch clearly trusted Son. Sadly, with TN, two managers have had a look at him and neither seems to have been overly impressed.

 

[nedley]

Being held back? We've signed Hojbjerg, Hart and now Doherty with over a month of the window to go.
The only thing Ndombele would hold back is a direct replacement if he leaves

Whilst I agree I would be so much more positive for the season if we knew Ndombele was fit and raring for the new season.

He could and SHOULD be a major part.

Hojbjerg is a fantastic signing but he doesn't transform our midfield. Its still major light in there.

 

[mr ashley]

So if this is the way you feel, then I’m assuming you wanted to sell Son after his first season too? Poch told us from day one that TN is a world class talent but is raw and would take time to adapt to the PL.That’s not ITK, that’s an actual legitimate remark made by the manager that signed him. But instead of taking those remarks at face value, so many on here have just decided that because he didn’t perform in his first year that he’s shit, been a waste of money, and should be sold immediately. It’s actually insane. Sure, be skeptical, that is warranted. but at least give the lad some time to grow and actually adapt. That doesn’t just happen over night. Son may have seemed like a waste of money after year 1, but now he’s made that money back 10 times over and is a fan favourite. Why? Because he as given time to adapt! Now, if we’re at the same place on 18 months and Tanguy is still an utter disappointment, I’ll be the first one to say that it’s time to sell. But selling him before he’s given time to grow, adapt, and prove himself would just be an idiotic and hasty decision IMO.

Ndombele has shown glimpses of his world class talent- both on the ball and with the passes he can play. He truly could be the dembele replacement (I always thought Poch signing him was an attempt to replicate the comments in his book about working with dembele earlier in his career- Ndombele was the closest kind of player).
I was so pleased when we signed him, as I’m sure you were.

But right now I’m in the camp of ‘cut our losses’. Why?
I guess it stems from the wolves and Burnley games. Not showing for the ball, as a midfielder, is one of the worst things you can do.
By all accounts (not just one ITK- pretty much all of them), he wants out.
The comparison to Son doesn’t work for me. Simply because Son still tried, even when he was reportedly having doubts. Ultimately that’s why he made it work here, and I don’t think Ndombele will.

As one of our most sellable assets, this season has damaged his value. But not as much as two seasons of being on the bench/ going awol/ gods knows what else.
For me it comes down to probability. What’s the likelihood that it works out for him at Spurs? It’s under 30% for me. If we can trade him for another top level player without taking a financial hit, that makes sense to me.

 

[rossdapep]

I’m really not sure swapping Ndombele for a CB is out greatest idea. Totally get he has been a bellend and Jose may want to shift him, and that’s fine. However there must be a better deal out there for us than a swap for a CB

Like I said in another thread.
Swap Skriniar for Ndombele.
Raise the funds for VDB by selling Rose, Foyth, CCV, Aurier and one of Lamela or Sissoko.

The club need to consider the overall quality of the squad and not think about losing money on Ndombele

 

[rossdapep]

Headlines from Gazetta sport today :

I cant find the actual article yet. The headlines translation seems to be : Technician Conte dictates the inter market line. He is dealing with exchange Skriniar Ndombele, tightens for Vidal Kolorav

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Are they reliable?

Good news if Milan have nabbed Tonali

 

[Albertbarich]

this is true but if he really is being a bell end then we’re probably better off getting shot and getting someone who actually wants to be here. Saying that, another centre back would leave us rather overstocked in that area!

still think the best scenario is that Barca sort themselves out and we come up with an elaborate swap or loan swap.

Unless were giving ajax foyth in exchange for van der beek!!












***Yes I may still be dreaming.

 

[cider spurs]

Like I said in another thread.
Swap Skriniar for Ndombele.
Raise the funds for VDB by selling Rose, Foyth, CCV, Aurier and one of Lamela or Sissoko.

The club need to consider the overall quality of the squad and not think about losing money on Ndombele

Much harder in reality one would think.

 

[rossdapep]

Much harder in reality one would think.

Yeah I don't dispute that.

 

[Johnny J]

Being held back? We've signed Hojbjerg, Hart and now Doherty with over a month of the window to go.
The only thing Ndombele would hold back is a direct replacement if he leaves

I didn't say ALL our transfer activity. Multiple ITK says certain deals or players are dependent on selling Ndombele.

 

[SCUMmucs]

I’m a TND fanboy, I really want him to succeed. We’ve seen glimpses of what he can do and out of all the young players we have he probably has the highest ceiling.
However! To say if he leaves we need to replace his creativity is a bit of a stretch. He’s barely played for months and when we were winning he was nowhere to be seen. I always feel that if you replace sissoko with a player who could closedown and pass the whole midfield would be a lot more dangerous, like against Birmingham yest.
The dream though is a full committed TND. It would be like a new signing giving us strength in depth.

 

[Rosco1984]

So if this is the way you feel, then I’m assuming you wanted to sell Son after his first season too? Poch told us from day one that TN is a world class talent but is raw and would take time to adapt to the PL.That’s not ITK, that’s an actual legitimate remark made by the manager that signed him. But instead of taking those remarks at face value, so many on here have just decided that because he didn’t perform in his first year that he’s shit, been a waste of money, and should be sold immediately. It’s actually insane. Sure, be skeptical, that is warranted. but at least give the lad some time to grow and actually adapt. That doesn’t just happen over night. Son may have seemed like a waste of money after year 1, but now he’s made that money back 10 times over and is a fan favourite. Why? Because he as given time to adapt! Now, if we’re at the same place on 18 months and Tanguy is still an utter disappointment, I’ll be the first one to say that it’s time to sell. But selling him before he’s given time to grow, adapt, and prove himself would just be an idiotic and hasty decision IMO.

You can adapt your play style but if your a lazy pain in the ass you'll never adapt to anything the example of son is the complete opposite of N'Dombele he always gives 110% part from one rare occasion of Hugo balling him out on the stroke of half time. It takes effort to adapt and if he's not willing to make effort in year 1 why on earth would year two be any different? A need to impress ahead of the euros could be our only hope but they were supposed to be this summer and he made no effort last year so I wont hold my breath.

 

[Cochise]

So if this is the way you feel, then I’m assuming you wanted to sell Son after his first season too? Poch told us from day one that TN is a world class talent but is raw and would take time to adapt to the PL.That’s not ITK, that’s an actual legitimate remark made by the manager that signed him. But instead of taking those remarks at face value, so many on here have just decided that because he didn’t perform in his first year that he’s shit, been a waste of money, and should be sold immediately. It’s actually insane. Sure, be skeptical, that is warranted. but at least give the lad some time to grow and actually adapt. That doesn’t just happen over night. Son may have seemed like a waste of money after year 1, but now he’s made that money back 10 times over and is a fan favourite. Why? Because he as given time to adapt! Now, if we’re at the same place on 18 months and Tanguy is still an utter disappointment, I’ll be the first one to say that it’s time to sell. But selling him before he’s given time to grow, adapt, and prove himself would just be an idiotic and hasty decision IMO.

All well and good if what we were hearing was how the player is working hard in training and wants to be a success. Instead we are hearing the opposite, that the player couldn't give a toss. If he wanted to stay and fight I'd keep him, but he seemingly does not.

On the topic of a swap. I don't want Skriniar, I want cash. CB is not of immediate concern and by most accounts he's struggled in a back three, which is kind of what we are using.

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

Unless were giving ajax foyth in exchange for van der beek!!












***Yes I may still be dreaming.

I’d,give Ajax Sessegnon in a heartbeat.