Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Donki]

Excellent thanks for the posting, I hope they find the key. Its not an easy one. I think generally you have to respect his talent and yet pull him along.He is very different. But look at Gascoigne he was different and also brilliant. There is a bit of craziness around brilliance often, we need the quality but need to cut away the bad

I fear Jose isn't the type of manager to pull people along if they are showing no willingness to improve, so far he has gotten worse after quite a bright start.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Excellent thanks for the posting, I hope they find the key. Its not an easy one. I think generally you have to respect his talent and yet pull him along.He is very different. But look at Gascoigne he was different and also brilliant. There is a bit of craziness around brilliance often, we need the quality but need to cut away the bad

The difference between gazza and tanguy is ridicolous. Gazza was one of the most passionate, hard working, pro active and mentally aggressive players we've seen. He would bust his lungs all game despite being podgy. This is nothing like tanguy. In addition gazza was on another planet skill wise to tanguy. Gazza used to bring shot guns to training. He was a nutter. Complete opposite to tanguy. Don't understand your reference or comparison at all.

 

[Ronwol196061]

I fear Jose isn't the type of manager to pull people along if they are showing no willingness to improve, so far he has gotten worse after quite a bright start.

I agree with that. In some ways I think Pochetinno was also. The physical part of the game is more important to both of them. It is important but both managers I think never put much into the creative. It was more of a bonus to have. They were about tough defences and tough midfields (hence Dembele worked for Pochs ideas and Dier was suppose put ed to be the cornerstone of Jose's) so yes,it doesnt look good for NDombele. I do think that a more nuanced manager can bring him forward more but its all about him trusting them enough, Many here will say that is not their jobs,he should be like that.He should be. But he isnt and if he was he would be worth 200 mil not 60 mil. So the choices are to throw him away,to put two DMs behind him and let him attack or to continue trying to put this square peg in a round hole. To me there is something there of special quality.
For now try to work around it. Need a really good DM though.

 

[Ronwol196061]

The difference between gazza and tanguy is ridicolous. Gazza was one of the most passionate, hard working, pro active and mentally aggressive players we've seen. He would bust his lungs all game despite being podgy. This is nothing like tanguy. In addition gazza was on another planet skill wise to tanguy. Gazza used to bring shot guns to training. He was a nutter. Complete opposite to tanguy. Don't understand your reference or comparison at all.

If you want to have that narrowness and call it ridiculous that's fine.I was thinking purely of talent and craziness.Maybe a bit abstract for you

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

I fear Jose isn't the type of manager to pull people along if they are showing no willingness to improve, so far he has gotten worse after quite a bright start.

I think Jose is looking for mentality. Often it's got nothing to do with personality. As an example I was a painfully shy kid but when I played football at that young age, I would run my arse off, slide tackle the teachers and coaches, and was aggressive in closing, tackling, and also in running forward with the ball.

I'm leaning much towards not liking tanguy as a player. I think his attitude is as far away from what we need right now. He is 22 not 8. I'd honestly rather skipp got his playing time for the rest of the season, and gedson too.

I'd drop tanguy from the squad completely.

Aside I think Jose has made a huge effort with tanguy, huge. Way more than he is deserving.

 

[nailsy]

The circumstances of him coming into a game we were loai
You can't deny Ndombele qualities. Once he has continuous games under his belt we can better judge him...the transition from the French to English league is difficult case in question was Fabinho at Liverpool.

Lo Celso has turned out great even though it was a loan initially (and) imo Clarke was a club buy... So when you really check was Pochittinho backed?

Lo Celso was only a loan initially to help the selling club make a bit more money on the deal. Poch wanted him and Poch got him, just like he wanted and got Ndombele and Sessegnon. He probably wanted more players, but (almost) every manager has to operate within a budget.

And don't forget that the club also backed Poch by not giving Toby a new contract despite knowing that his contract was going to expire and that it would probably cost a fortune to replace him.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

If you want to have that narrowness and call it ridiculous that's fine.I was thinking purely of talent and craziness.Maybe a bit abstract for you

Where is tanguy's crazyness? I'd honestly love to see it. He's a wall flower. I agree tanguy has talent, no where near gazza though in talent.

Good vibes always. I just really don't get your comparison even a little bit. Tanguy could really do with a bit of crazy. I don't see any craziness at all. Not even a little bit.

 

[Gilzeanking]

There must be a load of odd stuff going on behind the scenes that we're not hearing about with a player problem like this.

Does he train well , is he turning up to training ? Sneaking crafty pizzas ? Impressive silence from all at the club...til the Amazon film comes out !

 

[Ronwol196061]

Where is tanguy's crazyness? I'd honestly love to see it. He's a wall flower. I agree tanguy has talent, no where near gazza though in talent.

Good vibes always. I just really don't get your comparison even a little bit. Tanguy could really do with a bit of crazy. I don't see any craziness at all. Not even a little bit.

The man is extremely talented. He seems to use his energy and quickness when he has the ball. He is really tremendous that way. A 9 for sure. Runnng back,tackling etc he is a blanc mange,a jello if you like. Yes Ive seen some players who are not aggressive like even
Eriksen,creative types are often not. But not to that extent. Thats crazy to me. Then he comes to a team,Pochetinnos team who DEMAND physicality and its still half arsed and yet when he has the ball its magic. If that isnt crazy I dont know what is. Ive never seen that before.
You know in youth games in the UK it was always about the physicaility and not the creativity. Years ago it was the Scots and Irish that provided many players in those roles,then came the Europeans. Now its different where the styles demand some physicality and yet NDombele seems oblivious to such things even though he has been pushed by two managers. He is an artist all right and although he hasnt cut his ear off yet, he wants to be respected for his talent. Its a tough one because talented players like that are in the premium you cant find them. If they can possibly find the key we could be top of the pile. It would be a very cheap 60 mil. But it doesn't look good the way it is.
Crazy is the word.

 

[Shadydan]

That's really possible. Its a bit dumfounding to figure it all out,Ive never seen anything like it. On the positive side he could be a brilliant artist cutting off his right ear in protest of coming back and tackling.

Nah plenty of players in the past have not been fully committed, go back to the dark ages for us and we had a number of these players, even players like they dodgy left back Gilberto who said that he didn't want to play for Spurs again after being rinsed at LB so Redknapp subbed him off at HT, more recently Paulinho who hid away from the ball.

These players fraities and weak mentality tend to get shown up when we are losing and in particular going through some transitional stage, when we improve they tend to improve but at this stage Ndombele just needs to put his head down and get through it.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

The man is extremely talented. He seems to use his energy and quickness when he has the ball. He is really tremendous that way. A 9 for sure. Runnng back,tackling etc he is a blanc mange,a jello if you like. Yes Ive seen some players who are not aggressive like even
Eriksen,creative types are often not. But not to that extent. Thats crazy to me. Then he comes to a team,Pochetinnos team who DEMAND physicality and its still half arsed and yet when he has the ball its magic. If that isnt crazy I dont know what is. Ive never seen that before.
You know in youth games in the UK it was always about the physicaility and not the creativity. Years ago it was the Scots and Irish that provided many players in those roles,then came the Europeans. Now its different where the styles demand some physicality and yet NDombele seems oblivious to such things even though he has been pushed by two managers. He is an artist all right and although he hasnt cut his ear off yet, he wants to be respected for his talent. Its a tough one because talented players like that are in the premium you cant find them. If they can possibly find the key we could be top of the pile. It would be a very cheap 60 mil. But it doesn't look good the way it is.
Crazy is the word.

I would reference gazza's crazy as obtuse, overt. Tanguy crazy is acute and invert. That's being kind to tanguy. It's the difference between a guy going on killing spree and a guy having an opportunity with his dream girl and not taking it. Both crazy but nothing like eachother ?

 

[kungfugrip]

In that video clip he looks like at celebrity at those televised Soccer Aid matches running around hopelessly out of his depth.

 

[CowInAComa]

lets be honest, he is a fat Taarabt. All fart and no shit.

 

[Ronwol196061]

I would reference gazza's crazy as obtuse, overt. Tanguy crazy is acute and invert. That's being kind to tanguy. It's the difference between a guy going on killing spree and a guy having an opportunity with his dream girl and not taking it. Both crazy but nothing like eachother ?

The brilliance of NDombele has a negative side. It happens a lot but in different ways. The main point is this. Can we make it work or not. Do the assets outright the deficits. I would say right now we are in the hole (its further than you got in your pursuit of the blonde one) But find the key and it can be turned around.
I still have some faith.

 

[scat1620]

Nah plenty of players in the past have not been fully committed .. more recently Paulinho who hid away from the ball.

Yeah, have to say that I'm anxious as Ndombele is reminding me more and more of Paulinho, who I fucking hated by the time he left Spurs. It's so annoying because it's abundantly clear that Ndombele is an excellent techincal player who - if the physical and mental aspects of his game were even just up to a bang-average level - would easily be one of our best players, but as things stand he's starting to nudge into Paulinho territory for me. And he can solve it, if he wants to... but if he doesn't then he can fuck off out of N17 with the same haste that I wanted Paulinho out with.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

The brilliance of NDombele has a negative side. It happens a lot but in different ways. The main point is this. Can we make it work or not. Do the assets outright the deficits. I would say right now we are in the hole (its further than you got in your pursuit of the blonde one) But find the key and it can be turned around.
I still have some faith.

Your little quips are indictive of a nasty hearted mindset. Move along.

 

[wrd]

 

[Spurs_Bear]

This is the only part that makes me think Mourinho may have actually changed approach a little, not so long ago he'd have called it what it was, even in public. I actually like that response from Jose, even though it's an absolute load of arse.

 

[wrd]

This is the only part that makes me think Mourinho may have actually changed approach a little, not so long ago he'd have called it what it was, even in public. I actually like that response from Jose, even though it's an absolute load of arse.

Be interesting to know how Tanguy feels about it, if he doesnt care that people are laughing at him then I'll be concerned.

 

[spursfan77]

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