Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Serpico]

Ndombele, Love the player (prospects). I always believed he should have played further forward, we never really got the best out of hm. Total waste of money. Love him to stay and prove us all wrong but he hasn't got the bollocks to make it happen here at Spurs. Good luck to him wherever he ends up, football moves on and we march on without him .

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

This is a really unfortunate situation for all parties. His enormous wages are a huge barrier to shifting him, as they are wages that only an elite club would pay and no elite club would want him in his current position. I could see us loaning him to some French club, paying half his wages, but he would almost certainly bounce back to us at the end of the loan period.
I guess it depends how desperately he wants to move, and how willing the club are to take a hit on his transfer fee. Otherwise he could become our Ozil, or worse still another David Bentley, running out his long contract on high wages and then retiring when it finishes.

 

[lukalennon]

Wow. I'm massively out of touch.

Just (ignorantly) assumed there was no need for them in this day and age. Internet, Kindles etc. Even more surprised that any council down here funds them (assuming they're council funded).

Don’t worry bud all those places out in the boonies have em to far for cable etc to go ?

 

[talbot64]

Hopefully the penny will drop if he is still here Wednesday. Fresh start, head down, uses his talent, helps the club

 

[Annekcma]

Nothing wrong with his mental health, just his attitude.

I'm not going to say he has or doesn't have issues with his mental health as we of course don't know the guy well enough to possibly know. But what I will say is that mental health issues and attitude issues often go hand in hand. I know from first hand experience that when my mental health is at it's lowest that it's extremely difficult to find the motivation or energy to do things, even things that I would usually classify as fun or enjoyable activities.

 

[Spurslove]

Yes, and maybe Aurier and Doherty will do the same. More chance of us doing a Leicester this season I reckon.

I keep hearing from people (who may know him far better than I do) saying what a wonderfully talented player he is but I can only go by what I see as a Spurs fan, and I can honestly say with my hand on my heart, I think we bought a complete and utter dud. He's not a new introduction to the English game, he's been here three years so he has no excuses for his abject performances, nor for his perpetual moaning and whingeing. Look what it took for Poch to get him to train properly and as hard as the others. For me, and I can only speak for myself. he's the biggest waste of money since for ever. An unprofessional, lazy fraud. Where are all these wonderful skills people always talk about? I haven't seen much evidence of them. Where are all these beautiful killer passes he's supposed to be supplying to the forwards?

We've had the best of his predecessor, Christian Erickson here with his wonderful creative eye, he was a fucking magician. Compared to this bloke, on a completely different level for me.

In my opinion, Ndombele is causing a massive blockage in a crucial position for us if we are to score as many goals as we should be scoring, if we're to seriously challenge for a top 4 place again. I thank God Nuno seems to have immediately recognised his deficiencies and is keeping him away from the first team, but keeping him out is only solving a part of the problem. Where is our new Erickson? Who's providing those killer passes? The boy we've just brought from Metz, Sarr, looks like a real prospect, but he won't be here with us till 2022/23.

I don't know how we get rid of Ndombele but we need to do so quickly to free up his position and his outrageous wages.

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[crazyguitarman]

I'm not going to say he has or doesn't have issues with his mental health as we of course don't know the guy well enough to possibly know. But what I will say is that mental health issues and attitude issues often go hand in hand. I know from first hand experience that when my mental health is at it's lowest that it's extremely difficult to find the motivation or energy to do things, even things that I would usually classify as fun or enjoyable activities.

I wonder if the club has recognised this too and if there is a connection to bringing in the in-house mental health specialist, as they supposedly have done.

 

[JCRD]

Yes, and maybe Aurier and Doherty will do the same. More chance of us doing a Leicester this season I reckon.

I keep hearing from people (who may know him far better than I do) saying what a wonderfully talented player he is but I can only go by what I see as a Spurs fan, and I can honestly say with my hand on my heart, I think we bought a complete and utter dud. He's not a new introduction to the English game, he's been here three years so he has no excuses for his abject performances, nor for his perpetual moaning and whingeing. Look what it took for Poch to get him to train properly and as hard as the others. For me, and I can only speak for myself. he's the biggest waste of money since for ever. An unprofessional, lazy fraud. Where are all these wonderful skills people always talk about? I haven't seen much evidence of them. Where are all these beautiful killer passes he's supposed to be supplying to the forwards?

We've had the best of his predecessor, Christian Erickson here with his wonderful creative eye, he was a fucking magician. Compared to this bloke, on a completely different level for me.

In my opinion, Ndombele is causing a massive blockage in a crucial position for us if we are to score as many goals as we should be scoring, if we're to seriously challenge for a top 4 place again. I thank God Nuno seems to have immediately recognised his deficiencies and is keeping him away from the first team, but keeping him out is only solving a part of the problem. Where is our new Erickson? Who's providing those killer passes? The boy we've just brought from Metz, Sarr, looks like a real prospect, but he won't be here with us till 2022/23.

I don't know how we get rid of Ndombele but we need to do so quickly to free up his position and his outrageous wages.

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I think he is talented and think he is a good footballer but talent is nothign without being mentally disciplined and hard work in my view. Ndombele for example is more talented than Kane but Kane is a better footballer because he has applied himself properly and worked hard.

Ndombele is a waste of space. He has had long enough to cement a place.

 

[ProfCalculus]

Stop this mental health stuff. It’s insulting to people with mental health issues. He has himself said that he is lazy, said that it held him back when he was younger as he had a poor attitude lazed around in bed, didn’t care about diet or training, and that he only progressed in his career when he tried to improve on that somewhat as he was told he wouldn’t play. He said he would change. His previous coach in France said this about him also. As others have said he’s on 200k a week. There are no mysteries here.Every time there’s a challenge he wants to run away. I actually don’t resent him for that attitude because it’s his life. He doesn’t have a duty to be the best he can be but just to live however makes him feel alright. It‘s annoying as a Spurs fan but I don’t think it makes him a terrible person just a waste as a footballer. If it’s on anyone it’s on us but then I don’t even think that as his level of talent made the risk acceptable. No one had the benefit of hindsight and everyone wanted him in at the time.

There’s a line between caring about something and trying to create instances of that thing in order to demonstrate caring about it. Not saying that’s happening here but it’s prevalent in culture right now. Anyway, I’ve said enough.

 

[glacierSpurs]

If he's even serious and care about football at all, he will be trying very hard to get into the France national squad.

For me, his exclusion from Deschamps' selections say alot about him already. And mind you, we can forget about harping his talents if even Sissoko can consistently get called up. Its obviously his attitude.

 

[crazyguitarman]

Stop this mental health stuff. It’s insulting to people with mental health issues. He has himself said that he is lazy, said that it held him back when he was younger as he had a poor attitude lazed around in bed, didn’t care about diet or training, and that he only progressed in his career when he tried to improve on that somewhat as he was told he wouldn’t play. He said he would change. His previous coach in France said this about him also. As others have said he’s on 200k a week. There are no mysteries here.Every time there’s a challenge he wants to run away. I actually don’t resent him for that attitude because it’s his life. He doesn’t have a duty to be the best he can be but just to live however makes him feel alright. It‘s annoying as a Spurs fan but I don’t think it makes him a terrible person just a waste as a footballer. If it’s on anyone it’s on us but then I don’t even think that as his level of talent made the risk acceptable. No one had the benefit of hindsight and everyone wanted him in at the time.

There’s a line between caring about something and trying to create instances of that thing in order to demonstrate caring about it. Not saying that’s happening here but it’s prevalent in culture right now. Anyway, I’ve said enough.

Nobody is saying that he has mental health issues, just that these things are hard to spot and often go hand-in-hand with this kind of behaviour. Obviously nobody can say that this is the case but likewise, you also cannot say that it is unequivocally not the case.

 

[Amo]

Nothing wrong with his mental health, just his attitude.

Thanks for the diagnosis, doc.

 

[ProfCalculus]

Nobody is saying that he has mental health issues, just that these things are hard to spot and often go hand-in-hand with this kind of behaviour. Obviously nobody can say that this is the case but likewise, you also cannot say that it is unequivocally not the case.

Yes people have. It has been said numerous times in this thread. And where it hasn’t been said outright it has been suggested as the explanation.

No I cannot say unequivocally it’s not the case. I also can’t say unequivocally that he doesn’t have Crohns, sickle cell anemia, an annoying mother in law, ailing investments in a hot air balloon startup but I wouldn’t suggest them. I can say it’s monumentally unlikely to be the case given he and his coaches have all provided themselves the reason for his behaviour on numerous occasions, to the degree it makes it an unnecessary reach to suggest mental health issues.

I know an awful lot re mental health for many reasons and his behaviour doesn’t suggest mental health issues at all. It’s confusing causation with correlation. It’s like saying everyone you see walking slowly might have MS. Quite annoying for people with MS.

This isn’t something I’m going to talk about further. It just needed saying imo because things that matter are cheapened by this.

 

[Spurslove]

I think he is talented and think he is a good footballer but talent is nothign without being mentally disciplined and hard work in my view. Ndombele for example is more talented than Kane but Kane is a better footballer because he has applied himself properly and worked hard.

Ndombele is a waste of space. He has had long enough to cement a place.

Ndombele is more talented than Kane? Hmm. You'll have to leave that one with me...

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[crazyguitarman]

Yes people have. It has been said numerous times in this thread. And where it hasn’t been said outright it has been suggested as the explanation.

No I cannot say unequivocally it’s not the case. I also can’t say unequivocally that he doesn’t have Crohns, sickle cell anemia, an annoying mother in law, ailing investments in a hot air balloon startup but I wouldn’t suggest them. I can say it’s monumentally unlikely to be the case given he and his coaches have all provided themselves the reason for his behaviour on numerous occasions, to the degree it makes it an unnecessary reach to suggest mental health issues.

I know an awful lot re mental health for many reasons and his behaviour doesn’t suggest mental health issues at all. It’s confusing causation with correlation. It’s like saying everyone you see walking slowly might have MS. Quite annoying for people with MS.

This isn’t something I’m going to talk about further. It just needed saying imo because things that matter are cheapened by this.

Well, from my perspective I've only seen people suggesting it and simply hoping that support is available if it is indeed the case. That's a perfectly reasonable take, and I would think given your own experience you would rather echo that sentiment than be so dismissive and keen to shoot it down without actually knowing the man. These things are incredibly hard to spot and people should be encouraged to take support even if it turns out just to be a case of the blues.

People are wrong to jump to conclusions either way.

 

[JCRD]

Ndombele is more talented than Kane? Hmm. You'll have to leave that one with me...

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In terms of skill definitely... I think talent and being a good footballer are two different things. Ndombele can do things with the ball that not a lot. I digress slightly but dont spurs players in the past think Dembele is the most skillfull and talented?

I read recently that Tuchel thinks Dembele he had at Dortmund is the best he has managed or something like that.

 

[rio bryan]

Thanks for the diagnosis, doc.

Well he's at training every day, so he's not exactly in the Priory is he ?

 

[Johnny J]

Well he's at training every day, so he's not exactly in the Priory is he ?

Because being at the Priory is the barometer of whether someone's having mental health challenges?

Just because someone's at work doesn't mean their mental wellbeing is fine. And I say that as someone who's actually been at the Priory.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Not aimed at you per se but thought I'd respond at this juncture on the narrative of him requiring mental support....

He is getting the best possible support... a £200 000.00 per week support. I'd imagine he can get any extra support himself. Let's also end the narrative that he has some mental issue.....he is not a Danny Rose who came out on his mental struggles.

What you have is a player who simply doesn't enjoy playing for the club and wants out. It's as simple as that. Was it not mentioned that within a few weeks of joining us he regretted the move ? After his 1st year wanted to leave?

We really need to stop wrapping highly paid players in cotton wool and creating "conditions" by inferences as to their mental well-being.

We've paid a record fee and placed him on an extremely competitive salary....in return we should have a player busting his gut and EARNING a move elsewhere to a bigger club.....not moping around taking his pay having a good time and THFC unable to use the asset at hand.

It's time that this fraudster with a previous for such behavior started being sanctioned or docked in his pay.

1. Wasn't happy that Mason treated him unfairly ( posters here)
2. Recently had a baby....needs some time...as if he's the 1st to do so( Hell the PM of New Zealand went back you work after a fucking week..... and she actually gave birth to a baby.... unlike Tanguy)
3. He is showing signs of mental imbalance..... posters on here and others run with it.

No it's none of the above....call a spade a spade and not a garden implement. he doesn't want to be at Spurs but is happy to show up to training and earn the huge salary.

Itk have told us and it's been reported by multiple outlets. He has expressed a desire to leave. It's that fucking simple.

Great Post, touching upon he fact that you may upset/offend some people with your viewpoint. Fair play ?

This guy was happy to accept a contract that put him on almost equal pay to our top earner, at (approx) £200k p/w.

Since the day of his signing he's shown nothing but a lack of professionalism, lack of fitness or just a lack of desire, full stop.

Flashes of brilliance, when he can be bothered is neither here nor there.

Record signing, record equalling salary, record breaking waste of money.

 

[pedrodelawasp]

Wow. I'm massively out of touch.

Just (ignorantly) assumed there was no need for them in this day and age. Internet, Kindles etc. Even more surprised that any council down here funds them (assuming they're council funded).

I’ve found through my work in advocacy, employability and support for young people (and often their families) that libraries can still be an invaluable resource for many people. It has been a long time since they were simply book repositories.