Player Watch Player Watch: Son Heung-min

[wrd]

No, I had to retire from it actually, and now travel the country and Europe home and away every game watching Spurs.
What on earth do you mean all the evidence suggests otherwise ?
All the evidence suggests the referees know the laws, and 99% of football fans don’t have a clue, just want everything given for them, and nothing against, irrelevant of the offence.
VAR has been implemented very poorly in this League, and personally think Riley should offer up his resignation, personally think a yellow would have sufficed yesterday, but a red card is not wrong in law.
But also think we should have had 2 penalties awarded against us, and no Son should not have been awarded one

If Rules are meant to strict then how can you say that you think a yellow would suffice but a red would also be fine. The point of rules is so that you arrive at an objectively correct result. So how can you say in line with laws that it could be both? It's either one or the other.

 

[Trotter]

If Rules are meant to strict then how can you say that you think a yellow would suffice but a red would also be fine. The point of rules is so that you arrive at an objectively correct result. So how can you say in line with laws that it could be both? It's either one or the other.

Because the laws are always in the opinion of the referee, only offsides, ball/player in and out of play, and now handballs in top level football are not opinions, but meant to be factual.
In this case the officials decided that Son’s actions seriously endangered the safety of an opponent.
I disagree with that opinion.
I can understand why they have come to that conclusion though.
It is like last week if Guendouzi’s rugby challenge meant Zaha landed badly and buggered his shoulder up, I expect that would have been a red.

 

[McFlash]

No he didn’t guess, he was advised by his fellow officials (both the linesman and 4th official, and VAR looked at and confirmed) to give the red card.
Why I think this may be upheld and is totally different to other leg breaking tackles that have not resulted in a red before, is because it was a cowardly retribution tackle where he had no chance of winning the ball. It wasn’t a genuine mistimed tackle where players were going for the ball and just got timing wrong. He had one nibble and when that failed, a lunge from behind with zero regard for opponent, and zero chance of winning ball.
No serious injury then yellow card, endangering an opponent through recklessness, red card.
Son obviously did not go out to seriously injure the opponent, but his actions let him down.
Saying that I think it sets a dangerous precedent if red is upheld, and I think a yellow would have been sufficient, but players cannot take law into their own hands.

Do you really think Son's tackle was a "cowardly retribution tackle", as opposed to and everyday little foul near the halfway line to break up play?!
It was exactly the same sort of tackle that we see, several times, in every game, as a team tries to break momentum and stop an attack. To 'take one for the team'.

That's without even taking into account Son's personality and the fact that he's an attacker and thus, not very good at tackling.
In no way did Son "let himself down", that's a shocking statement to make.

Also, I find it rather amusing that the only person to have come out with a statement like that, is an ex- official!

 

[Japhet]

Mark Clattenburg saying Aurier should also have been sent off

What a grade A twat

Mark 'The Bat' Clattenburg keeping his reputation at the level we've all come to expect.

 

[Trotter]

Yeah but Dan James was a pen ...

Give over mate, it's clearly not governed by the rules otherwise you would see consistency from match to match.

Basically officials aren't held accountable for their shit decisions and it's starting to show.

Dan James should never have been a penalty, dreadful decision from a non PL official (it was actually an Australian referee that was on that VAR game)

 

[McFlash]

Because the laws are always in the opinion of the referee, only offsides, ball/player in and out of play, and now handballs in top level football are not opinions.
In this case the officials decided that Son’s actions seriously endangered the safety of an opponent.
I disagree with that opinion.
I can understand why they have come to that conclusion though.
It is like last week if Guendouzi’s rugby challenge meant Zaha landed badly and buggered his shoulder up, I expect that would have been a red.

Really? I honestly have no idea when a penalty is going to be given for handball because every weekend, we see different results for similar situations.

We all know what the rules are supposed to be but it seems like every official has a different interpretation of them.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Dan James should never have been a penalty, dreadful decision from a non PL official

It went to VAR and stood though ...

#banter

It's fine, I saw the challenge on Sonny as a pen yesterday, and those ex players saying no pen would have had seizures when they were playing if that hadn't been given for the team they were playing on - it's great to get paid and have an angle on things. As for Atkinson, stuffed us again by being inept in a moment when he should have been far far better. He gets away with it as he answers to no one and now we're looking down the barrel of missing one of our better players. Seems fair.

 

[Trotter]

It went to VAR and stood though ...

#banter

It's fine, I saw the challenge on Sonny as a pen yesterday, and those ex players saying no pen would have had seizures when they were playing if that hadn't been given for the team they were playing on - it's great to get paid and have an angle on things. As for Atkinson, stuffed us again by being inept in a moment when he should have been far far better. He gets away with it as he answers to no one and now we're looking down the barrel of missing one of our better players. Seems fair.

Not only that, the referee didn’t give it. What is even worse is that VAR overturned the referees correct decision of no penalty on the James incident.
In respect of Son, I don’t think it matters if he is banned or not, this will have affected him so badly, he may be out for some time.

 

[14/04/91]

No he didn’t guess, he was advised by his fellow officials (both the linesman and 4th official, and VAR looked at and confirmed) to give the red card.
Why I think this may be upheld and is totally different to other leg breaking tackles that have not resulted in a red before, is because it was a cowardly retribution tackle where he had no chance of winning the ball. It wasn’t a genuine mistimed tackle where players were going for the ball and just got timing wrong. He had one nibble and when that failed, a lunge from behind with zero regard for opponent, and zero chance of winning ball.
No serious injury then yellow card, endangering an opponent through recklessness, red card.
Son obviously did not go out to seriously injure the opponent, but his actions let him down.
Saying that I think it sets a dangerous precedent if red is upheld, and I think a yellow would have been sufficient, but players cannot take law into their own hands.

It was a very, very similar challenge to the one made by Choudury on Salah a couple of weeks ago at Anfield, arguably less dangerous because that tackle directly caused injury.

Choudury only received a yellow. Inconsistency again.
I’m sorry but to react to the injury itself is not right. How can they spend 3 minutes looking at a handball but not this incident. I’m astonished VAR wasn’t involved at which point surely it would deduce that the tackle did not cause the injury and it was a very unfortunate, freak, horrible incident.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Not only that, the referee didn’t give it. What is even worse is that VAR overturned the referees correct decision of no penalty on the James incident.

Only reinforces the point of lack of belief in officiating then ... that and Spurs getting screwed over.

 

[Trotter]

It was a very, very similar challenge to the one made by Choudury on Salah a couple of weeks ago at Anfield, arguably less dangerous because that tackle directly caused injury.

Choudury only received a yellow. Inconsistency again.
I’m sorry but to react to the injury itself is not right. How can they spend 3 minutes looking at a handball but not this incident. I’m astonished VAR wasn’t involved at which point surely it would deduce that the tackle did not cause the injury and it was a very unfortunate, freak, horrible incident.

You are slightly incorrect here though, VAR did look at it during the 10 minute break, and confirmed the advice Atkinson was given by his linesman and fourth official to send Son off was appropriate.
They also did look at Aurier during that interval, but decided no dismissal required.
I honestly don’t recall the Chowdhury/Salah one much, but I know Salah is still playing, so his safety has not been endangered as much in the opinion of the referees. Yes Son has only been sent off due to the consequences, that I totally agree with, and like you don’t think he should have been, but can understand why he was.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Do you really think Son's tackle was a "cowardly retribution tackle", as opposed to and everyday little foul near the halfway line to break up play?!
It was exactly the same sort of tackle that we see, several times, in every game, as a team tries to break momentum and stop an attack. To 'take one for the team'.

That's without even taking into account Son's personality and the fact that he's an attacker and thus, not very good at tackling.
In no way did Son "let himself down", that's a shocking statement to make.

Also, I find it rather amusing that the only person to have come out with a statement like that, is an ex- official!

i think you're underplaying the tackle here. it wasn't just an insignificant trip, son goes flying in at speed and catches gomes halfway up the shin. it shouldn't have been a red card and obviously he didn't go in with the intention of causing gomes to break his leg but i think it's pretty clear that he did go in with the intention of taking the guy down with a fair amount of force.

 

[gavspur]

The game, and this particular incident, are played at such a pace, that initially to the ref (and most watching) you’d say yellow card.. After seeing what’s actually happened to Gomes, the ref is probably thinking ‘oh God, he’s really done Gomes’s ankle there, that’s a red’.. Which is understandable, but the replay clearly shows the injury is caused after Son’s tackle. It’s a trip, it’s cynical, a bit petulant, but certainly no intent to cause that kind of harm. It’s a yellow, we should appeal it, we won’t win it, VAR should have said something at the time ‘ref, the injury is caused after Son has tripped him, two steps after’.. That would make sense, but this is football, and nothing makes sense anymore.

 

[LeParisien]

But all the evidence suggests otherwise? No wonder officiating has been dog shit for years if deluded bods like you have been tasked with running the line. You could've hit the big time, been in the centre circle at kick off - but now? You're a desk-jockey pencil-pusher, just waiting for your chance to get back out on the field. Consigned to sitting on a forum, taking up arms for your incompetent brethren whenever their integrity is called into question.

That’s a really appalling post. You may disagree with @MK Yid but there is no need to make a comment like that. I suggest you go outside and get some air, a cup of tea and a biscuit before logging back on.

When you see the culture in rugby, you realise the problem in football is not the referees. It’s the disgraceful attitude of managers, pundits and yes, many fans.

 

[Trotter]

Glad to hear Everton are saying Andre Gomes ankle surgery has gone extremely well and they are expecting him to make a full recovery

 

[fedupyid]

You are slightly incorrect here though, VAR did look at it during the 10 minute break, and confirmed the advice Atkinson was given by his linesman and fourth official to send Son off was appropriate.
They also did look at Aurier during that interval, but decided no dismissal required.
I honestly don’t recall the Chowdhury/Salah one much, but I know Salah is still playing, so his safety has not been endangered as much in the opinion of the referees. Yes Son has only been sent off due to the consequences, that I totally agree with, and like you don’t think he should have been, but can understand why he was.

You are 100% wrong Son should never have been sent off. It is another occasion where the referee's in the premier league are screwing us over because they can. Since the Burnley game last year I cannot remember a decision in the Premier league going our way. Son's penalty appeal was more of a red card than that challenge because it was just clumsy. Charlie Adam has seriously injured some of our players in the past (Paulinho and Bale) He never got sent off for it and one of them he went over the ball studs up and was only shown a yellow, so where is the consistency.

 

[Trotter]

You are 100% wrong Son should never have been sent off. It is another occasion where the referee's in the premier league are screwing us over because they can. Since the Burnley game last year I cannot remember a decision in the Premier league going our way. Son's penalty appeal was more of a red card than that challenge because it was just clumsy. Charlie Adam has seriously injured some of our players in the past (Paulinho and Bale) He never got sent off for it and one of them he went over the ball studs up and was only shown a yellow, so where is the consistency.

How am I 100% wrong when I say I agree with you that he shouldn’t have been sent off ?
Confused

However I can think of loads of decisions going our way, in fact I think we have been the major beneficiaries of incorrect VAR decisions, including 2 yesterday.

Actually did you really say that Sons penalty appeal (which apart from on Spurs forums nobody believes was a foul) was more of an offence than Sons foul on Gomes. Flabbergasted

 

[LeParisien]

You are 100% wrong Son should never have been sent off. It is another occasion where the referee's in the premier league are screwing us over because they can. Since the Burnley game last year I cannot remember a decision in the Premier league going our way. Son's penalty appeal was more of a red card than that challenge because it was just clumsy. Charlie Adam has seriously injured some of our players in the past (Paulinho and Bale) He never got sent off for it and one of them he went over the ball studs up and was only shown a yellow, so where is the consistency.

do you think there’s a single set of fans who don’t have a vocal minority who think refs or the league are against them?

They can’t all be right.

Maybe humans sometimes make mistakes and the abuse they got is completely disproportionate. Maybe there’s no grand conspiracy?

 

[JimmyG2]

do you think there’s a single set of fans who don’t have a vocal minority who think refs or the league are against them?

They can’t all be right.

Maybe humans sometimes make mistakes and the abuse they got is completely disproportionate. Maybe there’s no grand conspiracy?

More Cock-up than Conspiracy
usually

Just because I'm Paranoid it doesn't that the Bastards are not out to get me though.

 

[LeParisien]

More Cock-up than Conspiracy
usually

Just because I'm Paranoid it doesn't that the Bastards are not out to get me though.

I agree it was a bad decision. On a footballing and refereeing level, yesterday was an awful advert for the PL.