Player Watch Player Watch: Son Heung-min

[Yiddo100]

Can yellow cards be rescinded?

No

 

[pffft]

Can yellow cards be rescinded?

No, but Son didn't get a yellow. Atkinson took the yellow out to book him, then saw Gomes' leg, put the yellow away and pulled the red out instead.

It was a straight red card and can therefore be appealed and rescinded.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

Can yellow cards be rescinded?

You can protest a red, and it can be overturned....can't remember a successful appeal for anything other than a case of mistaken identity against AOC years ago

Certainly don't remember a yellow being over turned

 

[dontcallme]

No, but Son didn't get a yellow. Atkinson took the yellow out to book him, then saw Gomes' leg, put the yellow away and pulled the red out instead.

It was a straight red card and can therefore be appealed and rescinded.

I see, as I saw the yellow I assumed it was a second yellow.

 

[wrd]

You can protest a red, and it can be overturned....can't remember a successful appeal for anything other than a case of mistaken identity against AOC years ago

Certainly don't remember a yellow being over turned

Huddlestone against Norwich

 

[pffft]

I see, as I saw the yellow I assumed it was a second yellow.

Yeah I guessed that mate, which was why I explained.

 

[pffft]

@dontcallme

You can see on this vid that Atkinson puts the yellow away after looking at Gomes' leg and before he got round to showing it to Son.

 

[Nicki78]

You can protest a red, and it can be overturned....can't remember a successful appeal for anything other than a case of mistaken identity against AOC years ago

Certainly don't remember a yellow being over turned

Based on this do you think there’s any chance it will be overturned?

 

[Yiddo100]

Based on this do you think there’s any chance it will be overturned?

It should be but I don’t see it, if they’ve come out with an explanation on why he was sent off I can’t see them changing it, they’d make themselves look stupid

 

[philll]

I'd say with the haste with which the Premier League put that "endangering the safety of an opponent" statement out, they will be fully behind Atkinson if we appeal. It's frightening, how little scrutiny there is of referees who make genuine mistakes but don't have to have any accountability after the fact. All they do is scuttle off out of the stadium after the match and that's the last we see of them until the next match. Maybe they should have to do press conferences themselves after each match to explain their decisions.

What we know is that Atkinson deemed it to be a challenge worthy of a yellow and then changed his mind, simply because Gomes had sustained the injury. He made the assumption that Son had caused the injury during the tackle and didn't go to VAR to check it (which, as I understand it, is what should happen with all red card decisions). If they'd gone to VAR, they'd have seen that Sonny didn't break the guy's leg but now they've painted themselves into a corner and they won't come out and say the ref got it wrong, even though he demonstrably did.

 

[Gareth88]

Racially abused as he left the pitch by some neanderthal according to the sun

 

[bomberH]

Technically I can’t see how the card can’t be rescinded, though I doubt it will be. It was all set to be a yellow, meaning the ref judged the tackle as a yellow card offence. He changed it when he saw the injury but actually if it’s proven that it was the aftermath with Aurier that caused the injury, Son’s tackle should’ve remained a yellow.

I haven’t seen the full replay yet but I’ve seen the pictures, it looks bad from Aurier but a pic can make things look much worse than it is, so hopefully Aurier’s tackle was accidental because of the way Gomez landed after Son’s tackle. It sounded like the Everton fans booed the ref for sending off Son instead of Aurier but again that’s just guesswork.

Losing Son for 3 games for that is a bit of a shambles even though I understand why the ref has done it. He shouldn’t have though. Nicest guy in football has 2 undeserved (IMO) red cards in a few months! Bottom line in this instance is that if Aurier wasn’t there, Gomez wouldn’t have broken his foot.

 

[bomberH]

Racially abused as he left the pitch by some neanderthal according to the sun

Everton investigating.

 

[theShiznit]

This nonsense they've subsequently come out with justifying the sending off is laughable.

That basically means even the most innocuous challenge could be a red card if it leads to an awkward fall.

 

[philll]

Technically I can’t see how the card can’t be rescinded, though I doubt it will be. It was all set to be a yellow, meaning the ref judged the tackle as a yellow card offence. He changed it when he saw the injury but actually if it’s proven that it was the aftermath with Aurier that caused the injury, Son’s tackle should’ve remained a yellow.

I haven’t seen the full replay yet but I’ve seen the pictures, it looks bad from Aurier but a pic can make things look much worse than it is, so hopefully Aurier’s tackle was accidental because of the way Gomez landed after Son’s tackle. It sounded like the Everton fans booed the ref for sending off Son instead of Aurier but again that’s just guesswork.

Losing Son for 3 games for that is a bit of a shambles even though I understand why the ref has done it. He shouldn’t have though. Nicest guy in football has 2 undeserved (IMO) red cards in a few months! Bottom line in this instance is that if Aurier wasn’t there, Gomez wouldn’t have broken his foot.

I'm not going to watch it again but several people seem to think the damage was done when he got his studs stuck in the turf and went over on his ankle between Son and Aurier. As for the booing, I think everybody was booing everything by the end of the match.

This nonsense they've subsequently come out with justifying the sending of is laughable.

That basically means even the most innocuous challenge could be a red card if it leads to an awkward fall.

I thought the same thing, players are never going to tackle again. Like Poch said, Atkinson has judged the situation on the result rather than the foul itself, which is no way to be going about things. Actually, it's worse than that, he's taken a massive shot in the dark because he'd have brandished the red straight away if he thought it was a red card challenge.

 

[dtxspurs]

I'm not going to watch it again but several people seem to think the damage was done when he got his studs stuck in the turf and went over on his ankle between Son and Aurier.

Regardless of how it technically happened, it no doubt started off due to a reckless challenge from Son.

 

[philll]

Regardless of how it technically happened, it no doubt started off due to a reckless challenge from Son.

That doesn't (and shouldn't) matter. Yes he was injured because of the consequences of Son's challenge but that challenge in and of itself wasn't worth more than a yellow card. Rondon didn't get sent off for breaking McCarthy's leg in two a couple of seasons ago.

 

[dagraham]

Regardless of how it technically happened, it no doubt started off due to a reckless challenge from Son.

Of course it did, but the severity of injury should not be the barometer of the punishment.

 

[dtxspurs]

That doesn't (and shouldn't) matter. Yes he was injured because of the consequences of Son's challenge but that challenge in and of itself wasn't worth more than a yellow card. Rondon didn't get sent off for breaking McCarthy's leg in two a couple of seasons ago.

Thats fine, but I'm not going to get pissed at a referee after Son's reckless challenge leads to potentially ending a guys career.

 

[Ben1]

This nonsense they've subsequently come out with justifying the sending of is laughable.

That basically means even the most innocuous challenge could be a red card if it leads to an awkward fall.

This is the main factor with the red card. Its ridiculous reasoning.

Ive seen many players knocked cold in clashes when going for headers, we going to start sending people off for it?

Thats fine, but I'm not going to get pissed at a referee after Son's reckless challenge leads to potentially ending a guys career.

I don't think anyone's arguing that the tackle led to the injury (obviously did) or by arguing the card, lessening any sympathy to Gomes.