Player Watch Player Watch: Richarlison

[Johno1470]

Any idea on how many of these are sub appearances?

According to Transfermarkt, 25 starts and 35 sub appearances. Not sure on the minutes total for each however.

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

Nobody is arguing that Richarlison isn't somewhat better than Begwijn, he's just not 30m pounds better.

It's a good point. Understanding value of players isn't like that though, I think Herc or trix went through it about 10 pages back.
EDIT: MIght have been on a different thread actually mate.

 

[luRRka]

Any idea on how many of these are sub appearances?

Bergwijn has played 2460 mins for his goal contributions, richarlison played 2528 for his this season. So 68 mins more

 

[Fredo]

Nobody is arguing that Richarlison isn't somewhat better than Begwijn, he's just not 30m pounds better.

90% of players are not worth what they go for. Its just the way it is. Club circumstances, demand etc.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Richarlison can hold the ball up really well and can play the point man up-front, Aerially he is is really good. Personally just think for a premier league ready player there is fewer better options available. The fee is irrelevant to me as we are not getting a player like him for less money. I don't want the club to take a gamble, if we want to challenge next season we need player that are ready now.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Didn't one of the itks (herc or Trix) say the forward signing would come out of nowhere? This link definitely has

Has is? I mean we have been linked to him for a couple of weeks no. Ally Gold mentioned him a few times.

 

[Basil Brush]

Nobody is arguing that Richarlison isn't somewhat better than Begwijn, he's just not 30m pounds better.

This whole money thing is pretty irrelevant imo

Reason being you make some good signings and some bad signings, no matter what the price.

Edit: See @Ossie'sAardvark post above.

 

[Pekoni]

Why are people comparing Bergwijn and Richarlison? It's not like we can keep Bergwijn. He's gone.

 

[C-oops]

Because we don't have unlimited resources, anything we overpay will take money away from other signings, we've spent big on other players before that we then can't shift and overpaying now means you are accepting a real-world loss in 2 or 3 years unless you find someone willing to overspend. You never want to overpay but you should only do it when there is a risk you are losing out on a special talent if you dont do the deal now (like we did with Modric) or you weaken your rivals directly in the short term. Neither of those reasons apply.

I don't know why you don't care about what we spend. We aren't run by an Oil State, if we were I'd say yes let's do this. Lets get ALL the players but we aren't.

The only reason we should do this is if Conte demands Richarlison as far and away his number 1 choice, so yes I want to see Conte backed as he is a special manager. Reluctantly I would say the manager has got us in a corner if its his number 1 and just pay but I'd try to sell him on alternative options because there are similar level players available for cheaper.

Do you not think there are people in a much better position than you to judge how much and where the money is spent ? Like, people with experience of running and managing football clubs?

 

[BillyWhizz]

Would be a good signing, just got to hope Romero doesn't take him out in training!

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Darwin Nunez is going for 85M off the back of one good season in Portugal, personally I think he will be a success because of the way Liverpool play and the number of chances they create. So £50M+ for Richarlison to me just seems about par for the course

 

[dontcallme]

Do you not think there are people in a much better position than you to judge how much and where the money is spent ? Like, people with experience of running and managing football clubs?

I never understand this argument. We come on here as football fans to share our views.

It never occurred to me that if I give my opinion on a player people would think I believe I know more than the manager.

 

[knowlespurs]

Never paid too much attention to him but reading Everton fans comments they absolutely love him which surprised me, they know they have to sell either him or Calvert Lewin and pretty much everyone of them wanted to keep richarlison

 

[arthurgrimsdell]

1. I think it would be helpful to change the thinking about someone outside the default starting XI from "benchwarmer" to "alternate option".

2. You can be against his diving (and you certainly don't ever have to defend it) and still appreciate what he would bring to the table.

If we wish to be a big club, then I'd suggest that it would be helpful to change the thinking about a default starting eleven. I'd suggest that the reason we had one in Conte's first season was that he didn't trust any of the alternatives, certainly after injuries to Skipp, Reguilon and Doherty, and that through failing in cup competitions we were able to concentrate on the Premier League, invoving fewer matches. Hopefully this summer will see the creation of a much larger squad of good quality, and the throwing on the scrapheap of the self-defeating broadcasting of the notion that we won't be able to get a new striker in, because Harry Kane has to play in every game.

 

[Pekoni]

Never paid too much attention to him but reading Everton fans comments they absolutely love him which surprised me, they know they have to sell either him or Calvert Lewin and pretty much everyone of them wanted to keep richarlison

That's probably because Calvert-Lewin spends more time being injured and at GQ photoshoots than on the pitch.

 

[TPdYID]

That's probably because Calvert-Lewin spends more time being injured and at GQ photoshoots than on the pitch.

*Squeezing into his heels and adjusting his bra strap.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Nobody is arguing that Richarlison isn't somewhat better than Begwijn, he's just not 30m pounds better.

Personally I’m not sure one can confidentiality say Richarlison is better. Bergwijn has never been given a real chance to build up any consistency, he was mostly used here and there. Richarlison plays every game. Confidence can be massive for attacking players and Bergwijn must have struggled in that regard. Technically speaking Betgwijn is certainly much much better on the ball, Richarlison is not a great dribbler because his balance isn’t great which is why I question his ability to play out wide for us for any real success. In the finishing department from a conversation point of view I’m sure Richarlison is better but again this is were confidence and playing consistently could well play a huge amount.

Overall Bergwijn hasn’t felt settled and supposedly has wanted to leave for over a season so the comparison is somewhat moot as he won’t be staying. But I’m not overly convinced one can say for sure Richarlison is better until we see Bergwijn play regular for a team where he feels settled. Personally I feel some are being unfairly harsh on him.

 

[Phil_2.0]

It's a good point. Understanding value of players isn't like that though, I think Herc or trix went through it about 10 pages back.
EDIT: MIght have been on a different thread actually mate.

What is true that football clubs over the last 10 years have got obsessed with one player, take a deal so far and aren't willing to go down the list when their top target is too pricey and walk away when things get ridiculous. Liverpool robbed Barcelona of 120m for Coutinho because Barca became obssessed with that deal, there were other shenanigans at play for that transfer but the reality was they just couldn't switch their target.

Happened to us plenty over the years, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Soldado... Poch was obsessed with first two and told Levy to get them done or he would walk. We overspent and now we're going to lose 50 to 60m real-world value on them combined. Money is just wasted.

We should already have moved onto someone else with Bastoni, I've got this feeling we will end up paying 80 for him or waiting until middle of Aug to hope they change their mind but realizing they won't and end up buying someone in a panic, overpaying and not letting them have a pre season with Conte.

As soon as we quoted 50m for Richarlison we should have just moved on to the next target. Its opportunity cost, Richarlison might be an 8 out of 10 player but there will be 7.5 out of 10's in Europe that are cheaper with a higher ceiling.

Haaland and Mbappe are special you pay premiums for them because there are no others like him. There are quite a few Richarlison's out there.

 

[Phil_2.0]

Personally I’m not sure one can confidentiality say Richarlison is better. Bergwijn has never been given a real chance to build up any consistency, he was mostly used here and there. Richarlison plays every game. Confidence can be massive for attacking players and Bergwijn must have struggled in that regard. Technically speaking Betgwijn is certainly much much better on the ball, Richarlison is not a great dribbler because his balance isn’t great which is why I question his ability to play out wide for us for any real success. In the finishing department from a conversation point of view I’m sure Richarlison is better but again this is were confidence and playing consistently could well play a huge amount.

Overall Bergwijn hasn’t felt settled and supposedly has wanted to leave for over a season so the comparison is somewhat moot as he won’t be staying. But I’m not overly convinced one can say for sure Richarlison is better until we see Bergwijn play regular for a team where he feels settled. Personally I feel some are being unfairly harsh on him.

My argument isn't too keep Bergwijn, he is gone, I just see him as a similar level of player to Richarlison. Bergwijn leaves for 20m + add ons and Richarlison goes for 50m. Doesn't make sense to me. The only reason one is worth more than the other is not based on quality, it's based on we are buying from a Premier League club.

Why don't we just go and find someone of Richarlison's level who isn't at a EPL team and save ourselves the money?

 

[Yid-ol]

Nobody is arguing that Richarlison isn't somewhat better than Begwijn, he's just not 30m pounds better.

If we wanted to keep Bergwjin he would be costing teams more to buy him, as we are open to sell him, his value will drop a bit.

I agree Richarlison at 50 million plus is a bit high, but that's because he is valuable to everton and they don't want to sell unless they have too.