Player Watch Player Watch: Guglielmo Vicario

[Blake Griffin]

watching the city game and ederson had a player on him at a corner so he just shoved him out of the way. i've seen some say that you run the risk of giving a pen away by doing so but does that really ever happen? i can't recall seeing it. feel like i'm going to be obsessively watching goalkeepers at corners now.

 

[Cavehillspur]

watching the city game and ederson had a player on him at a corner so he just shoved him out of the way. i've seen some say that you run the risk of giving a pen away by doing so but does that really ever happen? i can't recall seeing it. feel like i'm going to be obsessively watching goalkeepers at corners now.

Can guarantee if Vic shoved Tarkowski on Saturday Oliver/VAR would have given a pen.

 

[McFlash]

feel like i'm going to be obsessively watching goalkeepers at corners now

This. Completely.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

watching the city game and ederson had a player on him at a corner so he just shoved him out of the way. i've seen some say that you run the risk of giving a pen away by doing so but does that really ever happen? i can't recall seeing it. feel like i'm going to be obsessively watching goalkeepers at corners now.

Nathan Clarks video a page or so back had multiple instances of multiple Brentford defenders removing any player from marking their goalkeeper

 

[jordibwoy]

Nathan Clarks video a page or so back had multiple instances of multiple Brentford defenders removing any player from marking their goalkeeper

And yet in their match vs City yesterday, the camera zoomed in on the ref giving THE BRENTFORD DEFENDER a warning about shoving/obstruction before the second of two consecutive corners. I was watching it and chuckled. Seems the idea is to give the attacking team the advantage no matter what.

 

[CarrickSpurgus]

watching the city game and ederson had a player on him at a corner so he just shoved him out of the way. i've seen some say that you run the risk of giving a pen away by doing so but does that really ever happen? i can't recall seeing it. feel like i'm going to be obsessively watching goalkeepers at corners now.

Also noticed that Maupay got between Dias and his own keeper and was quite effective at it ,just shows it doesn’t have to be a big centre back doing this ,just someone with a bit of bite about them so maybe Porro could adopt this role for us ?

 

[mil1lion]

Also noticed that Maupay got between Dias and his own keeper and was quite effective at it ,just shows it doesn’t have to be a big centre back doing this ,just someone with a bit of bite about them so maybe Porro could adopt this role for us ?

I was thinking Kulusevski would be great at this. His holding off of players is so good and he doesn't offer any defensive benefit or have pace to counter. Just tell him not to pull any shirts

 

[Johnny J]

Do Spurs and Vicario have a problem defending corners?

The Italian goalkeeper has struggled in recent games when pressured at corners - it could point to an underlying issue

theathletic.com

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Think someone else said that we're about 7th for least goals conceded from corners.

If you listened to the media you'd think we're having more problems from them than anyone else.

 

[ernie78]

Think someone else said that we're about 7th for least goals conceded from corners.

If you listened to the media you'd think we're having more problems from them than anyone else.

Until the Everton game we hadn’t conceded from a set piece (and that could be argued 2nd phase) so to paint it like we now have a massive issue is disingenuous by the media (shock!!)

 

[tevezito]

I also agree our defenders need to do more to help him out but even aside from that he needs to stand a bit firmer in these situations.

Can you explain how he's meant to stand a bit firmer when he's trying to jump to palm a ball away?

"just standing his ground"

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Richarlison is also clearly fouled in this clip - two hands on his shoulders and the attacker uses him to jump. Not sure Brennan isn't fouled either, but that's heading towards Liverpool levels of saltiness, I guess.
But how the referee gave it as a foul the first time it happened and then didn't give this one is beyond belief. And that Everton didn't continue to do it has to be an admission of guilt?

And to have Ange actually comment on it post-match also means there must have been a new level of incompetence / inconsistency involved. He's taken so much of it on the chin this season but even he couldn't let this one pass.

 

[Styopa]

Can you explain how he's meant to stand a bit firmer when he's trying to jump to palm a ball away?

Richarlison is also clearly fouled in this clip - two hands on his shoulders and the attacker uses him to jump. Not sure Brennan isn't fouled either, but that's heading towards Liverpool levels of saltiness, I guess.
But how the referee gave it as a foul the first time it happened and then didn't give this one is beyond belief. And that Everton didn't continue to do it has to be an admission of guilt?

And to have Ange actually comment on it post-match also means there must have been a new level of incompetence / inconsistency involved. He's taken so much of it on the chin this season but even he couldn't let this one pass.

Honestly, I don’t know the answer, I think other people like @Shanks who have much more knowledge about this than I do have spoken about it in much more detail.

But whether it’s a tactical change which Ange needs to implement or it’s something Vic can adjust, the reality is we need to do something about it because referees are giving these decisions across the board. Not just us but in other matches too.

Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with Ange or the team complaining about it but we also have to deal with how the rules are being applied now. If it was a one off decision then fine, but clearly it’s not. Maybe that will change but we need to deal with the facts as they are in this moment.

 

[gavspur]

We need to start doing the same thing at the other end. Have Romero and VDV barge the opposition keeper into their net from every corner and free kick. If they give a foul, a precedent is set. If they don't, we can score illegal goals.

I agree, fight fire with fire. If the ref is gonna allow it, then he has to allow it at both ends, maybe it would then see a truce, or a change in rules?

Other side to this, tho, is that we need to get corners, and they need to be put in at pace right under the bar. VDV is a big guy, stick him on the ‘Keeper.

 

[Styopa]

I agree, fight fire with fire. If the ref is gonna allow it, then he has to allow it at both ends, maybe it would then see a truce, or a change in rules?

Other side to this, tho, is that we need to get corners, and they need to be put in at pace right under the bar. VDV is a big guy, stick him on the ‘Keeper.

Yeah there’s no absolutely no reason why we shouldn’t do the same, be it Romero, van de Ven or Richy. And it’s not like it’s just the Dyche style of coach who’s utilising this tactic. It’s been pointed out that Arsenal have been doing it. Man C are also doing it. So why shouldn’t we?

 

[Styopa]

Can guarantee if Vic shoved Tarkowski on Saturday Oliver/VAR would have given a pen.

Maybe. But I think every teams’s fans feels like they’re the ones getting the raw deal from the officials. I mean see the way the Everton fans behaved on Saturday. See how paranoid Man C fans are. And every team’s fans feels like a disproportionate amount of decisions go against them.

The thing is if Richy or Romero do something and get away with it, like slyly leaving a foot in or a tug of the shirt to hold a player back, we celebrate it as “dark arts” or “shithousery” but when these things go against us we are all outraged.

 

[Roberts84]

Nathan Clarks video a page or so back had multiple instances of multiple Brentford defenders removing any player from marking their goalkeeper

I suppose showing two instances can be classed as multiple

 

[Rocksuperstar]

While he does need to bulk up a bit, get a bit more aggressive, I have 100% faith in Vicario. He's been a tremendous replacement for Lloris, his shot stopping is mind bending and he seems to be getting much more comfortable shouting the odds. The only reason he's getting bullied is because two games on the trot we had oppo shit housing him without any word from either ref.

I get that he doesn't want to push his luck but I'd forgive him for giving away a penalty if he just cuffed someone in the back of the head for getting too close, or took a step away and caught them with a knee to the back. Hell, I'd not be mad if he licked the back of their neck - is that a foul? No idea what the rules are on obstructing the keeper anymore but I'd have been equally as pissed as he was after the last couple of matches.

I figure it's just cos he's a good looking lad - some footballers just want to be close to him, to touch him and rub up against him. Not judging but they could make it a bit less obvious with the bumping and grinding against our Capulet between the posts.

 

[Shanks]

Honestly, I don’t know the answer, I think other people like @Shanks who have much more knowledge about this than I do have spoken about it in much more detail.

But whether it’s a tactical change which Ange needs to implement or it’s something Vic can adjust, the reality is we need to do something about it because referees are giving these decisions across the board. Not just us but in other matches too.

Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with Ange or the team complaining about it but we also have to deal with how the rules are being applied now. If it was a one off decision then fine, but clearly it’s not. Maybe that will change but we need to deal with the facts as they are in this moment.

You are right, needs to stand firmer..

stand further out from the goal, I have the perfect 4 second clip that shows it really well, gonna see if I can get it uploaded somewhere

 

[Shanks]

Can't seem to imbed the clip as its too large, so tried to break it down into 3 stages..

My lad is simiiliar build to Vic, 6'4 and slim, but he is strong, the attackers tend to try and box him in, this scenario is one player doing it, a big lump backing into him, but he stands firm and out off his line.

He holds the player firm above, then as the corner is struck he pushes himself off the attacker, tried to show it here

as he pushed back he moved backwards towards the goal, creating enough space to deal with something coming in, high or low or direct, but enough time (split second) to get into shape ready to deal with the multiple scenarios that could actually happen (this particular one was more towards the 6 yard box), space shown below that he created by standing firm

As this one happened, the corner was cleared. He faced around 5/6 corners like that and was fouled twice, but dealt with them all in the exact same manner.

I questioned the pushing, I said you risk a penalty, but he just said, no thats what I'm taught to create the space, its my space...

More people on him, he'd need defeders to assist, but he insists he will still start higher up away from his line as this is what creates him the space - I've not seen anyone go direct to the line though

 

[Shanks]

Anyway that’s all that is meant by ‘standing firm’