Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

[nugsie]

I fucking hate that social media has given a voice to every fucking idiot who feels like their opinion matters, at least have the common decency to hide on an internet forum like the rest of us.

Bloody brilliant post!

 

[Riandor]

I fucking hate that social media has given a voice to every fucking idiot who feels like their opinion matters, at least have the common decency to hide on an internet forum like the rest of us.

It's not just a voice, a voice would be good, opinions are good... it's this whole "instant" fire and forget comment culture that I despise.

There is often little thought behind anything posted on Twitter, Instagram or otherwise, it's just off the top of the head spilled, out of mouth onto keyboard diretribe, with little or often no consideration.

It's a venting platform... "oh we still haven't signed player A, B, C, so #LevyOut yeah?!" Yeah a right laugh...

Bloody Stoof hasn't stamped F all, #StoofOut.

Jesus wept.

Anyway, I admit I too am rather frustated out how draggerd out these deals are becoming, AGAIN, but whilst I am peering with raised eyebrow in the clubs direction, we are certainly not helped by the decision to close our window earlier than the rest of Europe.

 

[Gollorius]

I fucking hate that social media has given a voice to every fucking idiot who feels like their opinion matters, at least have the common decency to hide on an internet forum like the rest of us.

It's a shame as I do find Twitter useful at times and it can be awesome during certain events but it is definitely best avoided during transfer windows.

 

[ajspurs]

I just can't believe how quiet this supposed transfer and everything in general has become. Is like nothing is happening.

 

[yankspurs]

I just can't believe how quiet this supposed transfer and everything in general has become. Is like nothing is happening.

Like last summer. There is nothing to report because nothing is happening.

 

[Riandor]

Like last summer. There is nothing to report because nothing is happening.

Well that's not exactly true now is it, but it is very much a game of chicken right now, with the earlier UK TW deadline looming and the rest of Europe knowing they could still buy UK based players post the close/sell players we are interested in throughout the rest of Europe.

 

[RichieS]

Have you ever bought or sold a house, car, business etc?

I ask sincerely because I hear this all the time and it’s utter nonsense. In the real world you only make incremental gains when negotiating, especially when the asset value is subjective. Nobody gets pissed off because it’s not personal, it’s just business and therefore it’s just a simple yes or no.

There are two reasons you make incremental gains;

1. 99% of the time if you make a large increase in your offer the other side will always reject it in the hope of a larger bid, knowing they can usually still accept what’s on the table.

2. Any large increase in offer my blow way past the figure the other side will accept and they could still reject that bid (see reason 1).

Tl:dr it’s not personal it’s just business and everyone worth their salt makes small increase in an offer for fear they may get gouged or overpay

Sorry, I've switched my brain off for the summer holidays and seem to be having issues communicating my points.

What I was trying to express was that I find it highly unlikely that Gaffney's €40m is correct if we'd already established that Betis were after close to €70m (or even €80m according to some reports). There's going in below the asking price for negotiation purposes (e.g. my house was on the market for £325k and our first offer was £290k iirc) and then there's going in at not much more than 50%.

Of course if he's got the €40m from a source at Betis, it's most likely that the initial offer was €40m guaranteed + add-ons and the incremental rises have been more to do with getting towards a package with a total value north of €65m.

 

[Indisguise]

Don’t shoot the messenger but #LevyOut is trending on Twitter ...

I admit that in an ideal world I'd like him to be a bit more dynamic with transfers but that's just knuckle-dragging shit.

 

[Zbreps]

Mad that Twitter has more Spurs fans that are virgins than here does

Maybe by volume, but certainly not per capita.

 

[viktorviktor]

Have you ever bought or sold a house, car, business etc?

I ask sincerely because I hear this all the time and it’s utter nonsense. In the real world you only make incremental gains when negotiating, especially when the asset value is subjective. Nobody gets pissed off because it’s not personal, it’s just business and therefore it’s just a simple yes or no.

There are two reasons you make incremental gains;

1. 99% of the time if you make a large increase in your offer the other side will always reject it in the hope of a larger bid, knowing they can usually still accept what’s on the table.

2. Any large increase in offer my blow way past the figure the other side will accept and they could still reject that bid (see reason 1).

Tl:dr it’s not personal it’s just business and everyone worth their salt makes small increase in an offer for fear they may get gouged or overpay

You also make smaller bids to let the other party know that you're still interested in a deal if some time has passed, and show goodwill to keep the negotiations going.

 

[Gspurs11]

I think yesterday 1st half XI against Madrid was roughly how we're planning to line up next year, but with Lo Celso in place of Lamela. Just hope we manage to get him over the line and the ITK seems confident.

 

[ROBinBKK]

Been speaking with a couple of Betis fans. Convinced that they’ll get the valuation for GLC. Would prefer Milik and 40m from Napoli as they really like Milik and think he’ll fit in well. Said that they think Spurs will eventually pay and GLC will end up with us though. I said that’d we’d pay but it’ll be a lot less then they think if he ends up here. That didn’t go down well. They are convinced he is top5 midfielders in Spain currently and felt if we pay as much as we did for someone from the french league then of course GLC is worth it. I disagreed.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Sorry, I've switched my brain off for the summer holidays and seem to be having issues communicating my points.

What I was trying to express was that I find it highly unlikely that Gaffney's €40m is correct if we'd already established that Betis were after close to €70m (or even €80m according to some reports). There's going in below the asking price for negotiation purposes (e.g. my house was on the market for £325k and our first offer was £290k iirc) and then there's going in at not much more than 50%.

Of course if he's got the €40m from a source at Betis, it's most likely that the initial offer was €40m guaranteed + add-ons and the incremental rises have been more to do with getting towards a package with a total value north of €65m.

BORING FINANCE COMMENT BELOW:

The big difference with selling an "normal" asset and selling something on trade credit is that the credit is not from the bank, but is from the seller.

In the case of your house, you put it on the market for 325k and someone offers 290k, that is real money at todays value. If they had said that they will pay 325k but over ten years then you have to consider the fact that the value of money is always falling. The 32.5k you would get in year ten is actually only worth around 22.75k - this is why the structure of the deal is so vital and makes a seemingly simple negotiation difficult.

In your case (the house as an example) you would be better off accepting 290k now than 325 over ten years (works out around 247k at current inflation rates) .

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Like last summer. There is nothing to report because nothing is happening.

 

[Lighty64]

Got a feeling in my waters about today.

hope medical bills in Mexico are not overly expensive

 

[yankspurs]

hope medical bills in Mexico are not overly expensive

At least it isnt the Dominican Republic

 

[Lighty64]

Unlike the Glazers or the Kroneke’s, Joe Lewis has not sought to take money out of the club. He did not buy the club by loading it with debt to third parties. He has not lent the club money and paid himself interest. He’s not charged the club consultancy fees for strategic advice. He’s not paid himself a salary.

He has been an excellent steward of the club.

It’s not the job of the owner to give the club anything.

see I know Lewis is the biggest owner of ENIC who own us. our owners are classed as ENIC (Tavistock), the owners of Chelsea is Abramovic no one else, and the club owe him a billion+. the owner of City is Sheik Monsour (SP) not a company that has other shareholders.

as has been mentioned if Lewis wants to put money in it effects Levy's shares. they never bought the club as a plaything/toy, but their investment has seen us go from a 36k to 62k seater stadium. the best training facilities in the country which was started well before we started to make progress on the field. our only debt is the stadium, yet every other club with the exception of those down the road owe their owners money or are in massive debt.

yes there are times when investment might of made a huge difference to our trophy haul, but myself I'm proud the way we have progressed. if someone had told me we would be even in the CL 20 years ago I would of called you mad. the trouble is since the PL and Football become a cash cow 4 teams have dominated the trophies unfortunately 2 of those are to close to us in territory and so many of the "I want a trophy, and want it now" mob obviously can't handle the stick they have received in the last 28 years

 

[13VanDerBale13]

I just can't believe how quiet this supposed transfer and everything in general has become. Is like nothing is happening.

For future windows it is important to take everything you hear with a pinch of salt, as spurs fans we are used to the big build up but ultimately fall short, harsh but true.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

For future windows it is important to take everything you hear with a pinch of salt, as spurs fans we are used to the big build up but ultimately fall short, harsh but true.

Yeah I didn't see you posting when we bought ndombele. Boohoo.

 

[Goobers]

Some of the panic is unreal.
No news doesn't necessarily mean bad news. Plus a good performance last night. I don't get it. Hopefully GLC happens but for me the board have dealt with most obvious gaping hole in our squad with probably the best player we could have possibly signed in that position. I think some patience is required here.