Player Watch: Emerson Royal

[onthetwo]

Should have ER. Then he'd be properly royal.

knowing our luck thats where hed end up on debut too!

 

[philll]

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Suffice to say I am excited.

 

[Bobbins]

I'm going to hold back on getting excited for this one. Tim Vickery, a highly respected Spurs-supporting journalist who specialises in coverage of South American football, says that Emerson is, frankly, not particularly good - at the moment.

He's disappointed during his time in Europe so far and was only really getting games for Brazil because they have a shortage of right-back's. He's said he was quite disappointing in his first season at Betis and slightly improved in his second. He said he doesn't really rate him as any better than Aurier though he is probably less likely to make mistakes at the back. He was expected to develop very quickly after arriving in Europe and that hasn't really happened.

Suffice to say obviously Emerson will be getting my full support but I wouldn't be surprised if it takes him some time to adapt - I'd ask for fans to be patient with him, but of course we all know the moment he makes his first mistake it will all be "Bloke's a liability, we've bought Aurier Mk2" etc.

 

[Yid-ol]

I'm going to hold back on getting excited for this one. Tim Vickery, a highly respected Spurs-supporting journalist who specialises in coverage of South American football, says that Emerson is, frankly, not particularly good - at the moment.

He's disappointed during his time in Europe so far and was only really getting games for Brazil because they have a shortage of right-back's. He's said he was quite disappointing in his first season at Betis and slightly improved in his second. He said he doesn't really rate him as any better than Aurier though he is probably less likely to make mistakes at the back. He was expected to develop very quickly after arriving in Europe and that hasn't really happened.

Suffice to say obviously Emerson will be getting my full support but I wouldn't be surprised if it takes him some time to adapt - I'd ask for fans to be patient with him, but of course we all know the moment he makes his first mistake it will all be "Bloke's a liability, we've bought Aurier Mk2" etc.

Aurier without making as many mistakes.... That's still good though. Aurier isn't a bad player, he just can't stop making stupid mistakes every so often.

But I am waiting to see how he is for us, as with Doherty, you can see on player on one team can be good/shit and then totally opposite for another team.

 

[Riandor]

I will defintely be prepared to give him time.

That said, IF he does turn out to need time and was for the next year say, no better than Doherty/Aurier, then I will (to a degree)be dissapointed at the club for perhaps not resolving this position, but again "hoping to have invested for the future". It's a tricky one, Tanganga has started overall, reasonably well, but his final ball, required in this system, is poor. Emerson needs to at least bring that improvement to the table without a loss (or too much of a loss) to the defensive side.

Why? Well this Transfer Window has really only seen us upgrade 1 player in the starting 11 and given the farce surrounding Argentina and Internationals right now, who knows how soon Romero will even get up to speed? So again, full support to Emerson, but I (obviously) do hope he gets off to a flyer!

 

[DiVaio]

I'm going to hold back on getting excited for this one. Tim Vickery, a highly respected Spurs-supporting journalist who specialises in coverage of South American football, says that Emerson is, frankly, not particularly good - at the moment.

He's disappointed during his time in Europe so far and was only really getting games for Brazil because they have a shortage of right-back's. He's said he was quite disappointing in his first season at Betis and slightly improved in his second. He said he doesn't really rate him as any better than Aurier though he is probably less likely to make mistakes at the back. He was expected to develop very quickly after arriving in Europe and that hasn't really happened.

Suffice to say obviously Emerson will be getting my full support but I wouldn't be surprised if it takes him some time to adapt - I'd ask for fans to be patient with him, but of course we all know the moment he makes his first mistake it will all be "Bloke's a liability, we've bought Aurier Mk2" etc.

Tim Vickery also said he's an attacking full-back in the mould of Maicon which is clearly not the case. It's pretty much the opposite of attacking full back.


I rated Aurier last season and I'm not sure currently Emerson is much better than him but he certainly wasn't disappointing in his time at Betis,

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Tim Vickery also said he's an attacking full-back in the mould of Maicon which is clearly not the case. It's pretty much the opposite of attacking full back.


I rated Aurier last season and I'm not sure currently Emerson is much better than him but he certainly wasn't disappointing in his time at Betis,

Only Alba created more goals from full back than him over the past two seasons in la liga.

 

[Timberwolf]

Tim Vickery also said he's an attacking full-back in the mould of Maicon which is clearly not the case. It's pretty much the opposite of attacking full back.


I rated Aurier last season and I'm not sure currently Emerson is much better than him but he certainly wasn't disappointing in his time at Betis,

I really get the vibe Vickery is just a bit off the mark in general when it comes to Emerson.

He seems to have a very broad brushstrokes take on him as a player, that's probably biased towards his time as a youngster playing in Brazil (which is when Vickery presumably would've seen him most). Since Emerson has barely featured for the national team, it's very hard to imagine Tim having time to keep tabs on the weekly matches of Real Betis enough to have a well-formed opinion of him as he's so deeply immersed in South American football.

I'm a massive fan of Tim Vickery, but aside from general statements like 'he had a better second season at Betis' most of his opinions on Emerson seem at odds with the stats, the footage and the opinions of those who watched him regularly over the past season or two. If Emerson was coming to Spurs directly from a Brazilian side I'd put a lot more stock in his opinion of him, but we should really be looking for the views of Spanish football experts here, rather than South American specialists.

 

[pablo73]

Didn't Vickery say Paulinho would be as good as Lampard or similar? I'd be taking his player evaluations with a pinch of salt.

 

[DiVaio]

Only Alba created more goals from full back than him over the past two seasons in la liga.

Well yeah but it doesn't confirm Emerson is an attacking full back? His more advanced attacking numbers are quite mediocre.

Last two seasons and Wan-Bissaka created more goals than Cancelo, doesn't mean he's better offensively than Joao or that he is attacking full back

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Well yeah but it doesn't confirm Emerson is an attacking full back? His more advanced attacking numbers are quite mediocre.

Last two seasons and Wan-Bissaka created more goals than Cancelo, doesn't mean he's better offensively than Joao or that he is attacking full back

Didn’t say he was attacking or not, but it certainly suggests he makes a good contribution to the attack. All clips I’ve seen show a good crosser of the ball though, why isn’t there a stat for that on the chart you posted?

 

[Locotoro]

Emerson has 10 assists in the last 60 games for Betis (which is roughly the same as Aurier over the same number of games) - they played a style which got the most from his crossing ability as they play with a target man. Barca clearly don't play that system so he was a much more dispensable RB than Dest and Roberto for them.

I think he will give us the width that Tanganga and Doherty don't but because he can go one v one to the line also creates the element of uncertainty with the opposition.

 

[King of the Lane]

Weird take from Vickery as both the Betis and Barca fans rate him very highly both in attack and defence.

 

[Chris Finch]

Didn't Vickery say Paulinho would be as good as Lampard or similar? I'd be taking his player evaluations with a pinch of salt.

Yep and said that Paulinho was the better signing than Fernandinho who City bought at the same time

 

[animalmom]

Canadian Tuxedo with a Canadian maple leaf. Amazing stuff.

In the US it’s the Puerto Rico Tux

 

[brasil_spur]

I'm going to hold back on getting excited for this one. Tim Vickery, a highly respected Spurs-supporting journalist who specialises in coverage of South American football, says that Emerson is, frankly, not particularly good - at the moment.

He's disappointed during his time in Europe so far and was only really getting games for Brazil because they have a shortage of right-back's. He's said he was quite disappointing in his first season at Betis and slightly improved in his second. He said he doesn't really rate him as any better than Aurier though he is probably less likely to make mistakes at the back. He was expected to develop very quickly after arriving in Europe and that hasn't really happened.

Suffice to say obviously Emerson will be getting my full support but I wouldn't be surprised if it takes him some time to adapt - I'd ask for fans to be patient with him, but of course we all know the moment he makes his first mistake it will all be "Bloke's a liability, we've bought Aurier Mk2" etc.

Tim Vickery not rating him is exactly why I think he'll be a hit. Tim is pretty shocking IMO with his analysis on SE football. Also not sure what a SE football pundit would know about a 22 year old player who's been playing in Spain for the last 3 years.

 

[Bobbins]

Tim Vickery not rating him is exactly why I think he'll be a hit. Tim is pretty shocking IMO with his analysis on SE football. Also not sure what a SE football pundit would know about a 22 year old player who's been playing in Spain for the last 3 years.

Well to be fair he watches pretty much all the games in Spain as so many South American players ply their trade there, he makes a point of following South American players in Europe, and he's a highly respected pundit and journalist. He's also a Spurs fan and has little vested interest in doing a player down for no reason.

Opinions differ but his I respect, which is why I'm happy to keep my powder dry on Emerson and be patient if he doesn't happen to set the league alight immediately.

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Definitely want Emerson to start tomorrow, would prefer it as a RWB, but happy enough if h he starts as RB

 

[brasil_spur]

Well to be fair he watches pretty much all the games in Spain as so many South American players ply their trade there, he makes a point of following South American players in Europe, and he's a highly respected pundit and journalist. He's also a Spurs fan and has little vested interest in doing a player down for no reason.

Opinions differ but his I respect, which is why I'm happy to keep my powder dry on Emerson and be patient if he doesn't happen to set the league alight immediately.

I guess only time will tell, but watching games and knowing the potential of a player isn't his job. I've got nothing against Tim, other than I think he has poor form when it comes to talking about players and their future potential. What he does do very well, IMO, is produce articles talking about the historical, political and off-the-pitch side of SA football. He's a very good journalist, a mediocre pundit and a shite scout IMO.

edit: I also doubt he watches pretty much all the games in Spain. The guy covers SA football, that's hundreds of games per week right there he has to watch, surely he's not adding Spain, Italy, the PL and others to his list too.