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cider spurs

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The option we have on Gedson is 50 millio Euros...


Not seen anything from him as of yet to warrant anything like that amount.

I know the Portuguese clubs whack hefty release clauses on players, and remember at the time that Gedson was 50m option, but if they aren't budging, he's certainly going to have to hope he gets minutes and excels in every second of every minute or we won't be buying.
 

1882andallthat

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We can't afford to take a £33m punt on somebody who has only scored consistently for one season in his not-even-that-young career. Even if he goes on to do well at Villa, that doesn't mean he would have here - so it wouldn't indicate whether £33m would have been good value to us at all.
I wasn't suggesting that we should have offered £28million with add on's that may take the figure up to £33 million. I was simply saying that no-one can make a quick judgement saying this will or or won't represent value for money, which from reading some of the comments made, as soon as it became apparent that he was not going to us, some had said in quick judgement.

I simply felt that some were displaying a Spurs bias and coming to a judgement that because we wouldn't or couldn't pay it, the he must be a waste of money because only Villa are offering it, and a similar sentiment was being expressed when Newcastle got their deal over the line for Callum Wilson.

I was simply saying, let's all take our Spurs bias out of the equation and keep an open mind as to whether or not these buys will represent good money for Villa and Newcastle. The proof will be in the pudding, so let's wait and see.

The bottom line is that another striker is required, and we must offer something. If it's around the £15-20m mark we need to be realistic, but being realistic doesn't mean criticising other teams because they've paid a little more when we don't know what will happen.

We and Levy can all moan about the market but it is what it is, we simply have to move, the worst of all outcomes will be ending up empty handed. If £15-20m is all we have we've no choice but to take a punt on someone, it will be downright bordering on negligent if the board simply say, yet again for the umpteeth window, well we tried again but weren't prepared to take a risk on buying a striker.
 

jurgen

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I get a bit confused by this message board. One minute we shouldn’t be looking at Championship players at all, particularly one of this age, should show more ambition. Next it’s get into a panic driven bidding war for a Championship player in his mid twenties with one good season behind him. £28m up to £33m? Levy is now a tight c@*t showing no ambition because he won’t outbid little Aston Villa? My good God.

There's many different opinions on this message board, it's not one collective voice so you might be confused by that.

If you read this thread, there are plenty of posters who were well up for Watkins straight off the bat as they've watched a lot of him (I haven't so it's not my axe to grind) and had him down as their favourite of the forward players we've been linked to.

For others, £33m would seem certainly excessive, and so they're happy for us to be outbid. Others still might question whether our bargain basement signings have proved successful in the past, and yet more people would be desperate for some cover, any cover, so our star striker doesn't break down again.

The board is actually far less to-and-fro than BSoDLs suggest, it's just easy to see the same old story playing out again and again.
 

DanNolan

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I think the point is ... for us at present with our budget and with Kane... 28m rising to 33mbis exessove and doesn’t offer value. Doesn’t mean the player will be a flop or not worth it... but for us with restrictive budget, to blow 33m on Watkins doesn’t strike me as the right deal.
 

SandroClegane

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For others, £33m would seem certainly excessive, and so they're happy for us to be outbid. Others still might question whether our bargain basement signings have proved successful in the past, and yet more people would be desperate for some cover, any cover, so our star striker doesn't break down again.

When we've paid big money for strikers too they've been flops, like Soldado and Janssen, so I'd rather the board didn't overpay for a striker in a panic buy that would then be stuck on our books for the next 3 seasons because he couldn't score goals...

33mil for a championship striker is absurd, no matter how you spin it.
 

daryl hannah

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What “fannying around”? You’re basing your frustration on another club buying a player in whom we likely never had a firm interest and on previous transfer windows when we failed to buy players in positions that we desperately needed to strengthen.

The signings that we have already made and everything that every itk has said this window suggests that we are doing anything but fannying around now.
Can't argue that the board has cocked up a few times over the years. :facepalm:

But 'this fannying around'.

Is this based on Watkins potentially going to Villa. How interested were we, was he just another on the list, ITK seems pretty confident we will get what we need this window. Even alluded to not panic buying, but biding our time to hopefully get our target/more suitable type.

Perhaps deemed risky, I'm on board. Don't see the point of buying either a stupidly overpriced player, nor one that Mourinho doesn't want or fits our requirements.

We've been demonstrating anything other than "fannying around' thus far this window. I'm holding off and seeing how the window plays out. (y)
Fannying around definition: Targeting Wilson, then Deeney, then WIlson, then Ings, then King, then Watkins, then Nunez, then Watkins, then an unknown such as Rafael Leoa??, then Watkins, and finally signing Deeney on deadline day...?

The rest of our business so far, I agree, has been sound, but when it comes to buying a striker, we are fannying around according to the ITK we've received/news outlets.

I appreciate Trix trying to educate us about how we conduct our business - just have to be patient I guess.
 

cider spurs

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Fannying around definition: Targeting Wilson, then Deeney, then WIlson, then Ings, then King, then Watkins, then Nunez, then Watkins, then an unknown such as Rafael Leoa??, then Watkins, and finally signing Deeney on deadline day...?

The rest of our business so far, I agree, has been sound, but when it comes to buying a striker, we are fannying around according to the ITK we've received/news outlets.

I appreciate Trix trying to educate us about how we conduct our business - just have to be patient I guess.


Were they actually targeted, or merely suggested possibles for the list.

Frustrating I know, but I do believe the club know that they have to deliver within reason what Mourinho needs, and certainly after the shit show of no signings a few windows back.
 

St José Dominguez

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Were they actually targeted, or merely suggested possibles for the list.

Frustrating I know, but I do believe the club know that they have to deliver within reason what Mourinho needs, and certainly after the shit show of no signings a few windows back.

They will deliver Mourinho a back up striker but if you look at the ones we’ve been linked to it doesn’t seem very focused. They’re all completely different types of strikers which makes me think we’re not looking at one who fits what we need but one who fits into what we have to spend on one.
It feels a little scattergun approach to be honest, I don’t think there’s a great deal of intelligence that goes into our recruitment approach and likely it’s just Steve “hate transfers, big clubs will just sign them, hate my job, I want to go to bed” Hitchen writing a couple of names on a Starbucks napkin.
 

double0

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When we've paid big money for strikers too they've been flops, like Soldado and Janssen, so I'd rather the board didn't overpay for a striker in a panic buy that would then be stuck on our books for the next 3 seasons because he couldn't score goals...

33mil for a championship striker is absurd, no matter how you spin it.
Down to poor scouting. We need to get players that can handle the pressure playing for Tottenham. People can laugh about a player like Troy Deeney he would be perfect as a stop gap if money is our concern in bridging the gap for Parrott big character has carried Watford single handedly for years.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Fuck me, £28m for a player who at 25 has never kicked a ball in any top flight. That was this calendar year.

Think about it this way: We signed Bergwijn for less than that in a pre Covid market, a Dutch international playing for one of the top sides in Holland with experience of UEFA tournament football top.
 

hughy

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Fuck me, £28m for a player who at 25 has never kicked a ball in any top flight. That was this calendar year.

Think about it this way: We signed Bergwijn for less than that in a pre Covid market, a Dutch international playing for one of the top sides in Holland with experience of UEFA tournament football top.
Two years younger too.
 

double0

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Fuck me, £28m for a player who at 25 has never kicked a ball in any top flight. That was this calendar year.

Think about it this way: We signed Bergwijn for less than that in a pre Covid market, a Dutch international playing for one of the top sides in Holland with experience of UEFA tournament football top.
But then Utd paid 80M for Magurie. The market doesn't make sense, it's all down to what clubs are prepared to pay.
 

Gingeryid

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Fuck me, £28m for a player who at 25 has never kicked a ball in any top flight. That was this calendar year.

Think about it this way: We signed Bergwijn for less than that in a pre Covid market, a Dutch international playing for one of the top sides in Holland with experience of UEFA tournament football top.
We did not want to pay the money Brentford wanted. Their Directors of Football are a tough team to deal with and would not take any shit and will get the maximum amount they can.
 

Stamford

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Paying 28m to protect Kane and give him time off with a competent player seems quite sensible in an odd way
 

Stoof

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Without looking in the thread (and going by some reactions on Twitter), is it safe to assume there's an awful lot of bed-wetting and shitting of the bed-clothes so it goes through to the actual mattress through a fitted sheet and a mattress topper about not signing a Championship striker for what could be over £30m?

If so. Please stop. As you literally can't clean shit off a mattress.

SiGn A fUcKiNg StRiKeR mob out in full?

Lovely to see you boys.
 

BringBack_leGin

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But then Utd paid 80M for Magurie. The market doesn't make sense, it's all down to what clubs are prepared to pay.

Agreed but Utd are the richest club on earth and he was bought to be first choice.

We did not want to pay the money Brentford wanted. Their Directors of Football are a tough team to deal with and would not take any shit and will get the maximum amount they can.

If they can get it, good on them.

Paying 28m to protect Kane and give him time off with a competent player seems quite sensible in an odd way

We can already do that by playing Son down the middle and putting either Bergwijn or Sessegnon on the left. I’d wager based on Son’s performances in Kanes absence and the very good start Bergwijn has made that whoever we sign, that’ll still be plan A when Kane doesn’t play unless whoever we sign makes an unexpectedly great early impression.

This signing is to come off the bench most matches (resting Kane when we’re winning, partnering him when we need a goal) and to start in place of him in cup matches v weaker opposition.
 

PrettyColors

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#BackJose trending on Twitter because Watkins is close to Villa is funny
I think it originated in those niche football twitter accounts with player names as usernames who are at most 17 years old lol.

I think Levy is maybe the least affected by what was thrown at him on social media or in person at our club. He’s been getting death threats every window since 2009 and not sure if it’ll ever top the Nelsen Saha window I think
 
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