Nicolò Zaniolo

[arunspurs]

I know nothing about the player but his mum's fit, so I'm in.

Google's 'Zaniolo Mother '....

 

[mattspur1]

Why are people bringing Lamela up as a negative point?

Lamela was a bloody good player to have around and when he was fit had some superb performances, scoring important goals.
Valuable player

Couldn't fault his work ethic but you could fault his ability to pass/shoot accurately, take a decent first touch etc. Frustrating, but still love the guy. My comment however was purely about the way he holds himself in his movement.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

I don't think it should be understated how risky it is to sign a player not only with just 2 goals and 1 assist in the league last season, but an ACL injury in both knees. The difference in risk between him and Maddison is insane relative to their probable price tags.

It was 2 goals and 5 assists in the league, with 8 goals 9 assists in all competitions.

 

[andrewt]

Yes but it’s not really constructive to just respond with ‘well conte wants him’. Most in here can’t actually give a reason why Zaniolo as a player/profile would be a good addition for us in response to people explaining why they don’t want him. I know (and rightly) so love Conte but I don’t see why posters can’t evaluate players objectively instead of hiding behind the fact that the manager wants him.

and the Dof we have, personally it's nice to feel like the window has been thought out,
The as long as conte is happy stuff is because he gets it right more often than not...he is looking for specific skill sets for his system

in his previous jobs he has signed many players most would have deemed underwhelmimg/shite and turned them into champions.....players thought previously to have "lost it" get new leases of life under him

of course he does make errors!and that's why it's important to debate or give your views

but at least these saying if conte wants him or they are happy if he is are not pretending to know how this player will be utilised based on a 10 min YouTube clip and/or buying him on fifa or fm! they are just commenting like most posters

echo Chambers but I love em!

 

[wrd]

Yes but it’s not really constructive to just respond with ‘well conte wants him’. Most in here can’t actually give a reason why Zaniolo as a player/profile would be a good addition for us in response to people explaining why they don’t want him. I know (and rightly) so love Conte but I don’t see why posters can’t evaluate players objectively instead of hiding behind the fact that the manager wants him.

Plenty of people have commented on why they think he would be good which seems to have been ignored.

More to the point though the reason many and myself included are happy to say well if Conte wants him and stop articulating further is because his opinion first of all clearly has more weight because of his stature in the game and because he would know what he wants from the player specifically beyond what any of us do.

Secondly his opinion has more value because his opinion actually influences what will happen. All of our opinions are meaningless and I think most of us are frankly being sensible and saying well if Conte wants him, we'll appreciate he knows vastly more than us and so we will now wait and see whether it comes to fruition and how he performs if he does come before giving much further opinion. Though I imagine some fans will do some research and try and get an understanding of how he fits.

I just don't really get why you would be annoyed that people are fine to concede that perhaps we don't fully appreciate the player relative to the context of Conte and his feelings. If anything acknowledging your opinion isn't important once it became clear Conte wants him is a very positive trait that few seem to possess these days. Seems arrogant to me to think we would ever know better than Conte and I do think bringing Bentancur and Kulusevski into the conversation is important because they're tangible examples as to why Conte has earnt that respect amongst fans.

I'm not saying fans can't have opinions especially on a forum but as I say I don't know why you would find it annoying other than for the fact it's the opposite opinion to yours.

 

[Finchyid]

Can have as many players as we like on loan from clubs outside England

Under the rules in the Premier League Handbook 2021/22, there are restrictions on how many players Premier League clubs can loan from other Premier League/English clubs.

They are:
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
- Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer window.
- A Premier League club may loan not more than one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club.

With the exception of Welsh clubs competing in the competitions listed under Rule V.6.2, loans from a club in membership of another National Association do not count towards the above quotas.

Thats loans between English clubs

"Provided the regulations are given final approval by the FIFA Council, between July 1, 2022 and June 30, 2023 clubs will be limited to a maximum of eight international loan signings in and eight loaned out, dropping to seven in 2023-24 and remaining at six from 2024-25"

 

[Finchyid]

You're looking at it wrong ... standard team layout used on here is:

GK
RCB CCB LCB
RWB CM CM LWB
RWF CF LWF​

I just omitted the non-relevant positions.

EDIT: And, it turns out, totally fucked up the LWF and RWF labels

Yeah sorry that was my bad joke...not a dig

 

[Dunc2610]

Couldn't fault his work ethic but you could fault his ability to pass/shoot accurately, take a decent first touch etc. Frustrating, but still love the guy. My comment however was purely about the way he holds himself in his movement.

The lad could rabona with the best of them though! ?

 

[JerryGarcia]

Except lamela bang in goals galore…. This kid has terrible out put

A quick look at their stats at Roma show Lamela scored 13 in 67 while Zaniolo has 33 in 111.

Totally different players obviously but I was just thinking about how he would adapt to the faster pace of the Premier League which Lamela struggled with for his first few seasons until he figured out how to make an impact in games.

 

[McFlash]

I would hazard a guess that 99% of the people slating him have never watched him outside of a youtube compilation/couple of games. Ive not watched him personally so if we do sign him I will wait to form an opinion. Kulusevski made me look silly and Id rather not judge so quickly again lol.

I have to say that a lot of the negative posters on this lad, feel to have a bit of form for hyperbolic, sweeping generalisations too.
The whole "he's shite" is tiresome but not really unexpected.

If we do sign him, I'll just wait and see what Conte can do with him and make my judgements from there.

Personally, I haven't seen nearly enough of him to form a valid opinion. I know he used to be highly rated, especially on here so I find it rather odd that he's suddenly turned into a head-down, dribble into a blind alley type shitter.

Basically, there are some members here whose opinions on players I trust because their posts are thoughtful, balanced and they have a history of being correct.
Then there are others... well, not so much.

 

[lobob8]

A quick look at their stats at Roma show Lamela scored 13 in 67 while Zaniolo has 33 in 111.

Totally different players obviously but I was just thinking about how he would adapt to the faster pace of the Premier League which Lamela struggled with for his first few seasons until he figured out how to make an impact in games.

Difference being Lamela was a winger and Zaniolo is best as a CAM

 

[JerryGarcia]

Google's 'Zaniolo Mother '....

Poor chap!

 

[arunspurs]

Had a look at Zaniolo Stats by positions in his entire career. This includes his recognized youth league games

LW - 9
RW - 51
AM - 83
SS - 21

Mourinho used him more as second striker last season than RW.
It seems he was a predominantly AM (playing central player in 4-2-3-1 or right sided midfielder of 4-3-3) in his youth career at Inter. Roma converted him to RW in initial year when he joined them.

 

[Paul Rogers]

Thats loans between English clubs

"Provided the regulations are given final approval by the FIFA Council, between July 1, 2022 and June 30, 2023 clubs will be limited to a maximum of eight international loan signings in and eight loaned out, dropping to seven in 2023-24 and remaining at six from 2024-25"

i have highlighted the bit at the bottom that is relevant to us, this is from the FA Premier league websitew regarding loans. The qouta only applies to players from english clubs and there is no quota from other clubs

Under the rules in the Premier League Handbook 2022/23 (Download PDF, size: 8MB), there are restrictions on how many players Premier League clubs can loan from other Premier League/English clubs.

They are:
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
- Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer window.
- A Premier League club may loan not more than one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club.

With the exception of Welsh clubs competing in the competitions listed under Rule V.6.2, loans from a club in membership of another National Association do not count towards the above quotas.

​

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Question to the people who watch Serie A and have some knowledge of his Conference League games (@Ghost Hardware @fishhhandaricecake ) - Considering he scored a hattrick in the QF and the winning goal in the finals, would you consider him a clutch/delivers-on-the-big-occasions kinda player?

Just guessing here but perhaps Conte likes his ability to deliver when it really matters?

Hey mate, very good Q/point. I think you could say he has the ability and potential to deliver on big occasions and it’s true that without him they probably wouldn’t have won the Conference League.

I can’t however lie and say that he is a reliable goal scorer in big games as he’s not scored a huge amount of goals in his career but I do remember off the top of my head he has scored big goals in the league in previous seasons before his injury against Milan and Napoli and I think a few in the CL against Porto or another Portuguese team also a few seasons back.

He’s a very talented player who can create something out of nothing or a moment of magic, part of the concern with him is that he’s not delivered big performances and goals as regularly enough as he was doing before his ACL but the Confence League goals were certainly a step in the right direction. That being said I don’t think he’ll ever be a player who scores you a ton of goals.

He can be a bit fiesty and picks up quite a few yellows especially last season and one red I think I remember.

I think if Conte does want him it’ll be more because he would offer us some creativity and a type of player we don’t currently have as well as being a bit of a punt on him returning to his pre ACL form in which case he’d be absolutely fantastic for us, I wouldn’t say conte would be looking at him solely for his mentality but yea ability wise he can on his day produce a big performance for sure. He’s also 6ft 3ins and we know Conte likes targeting big players for the PL.

Hope that helps / answers your question somewhat. @Ghost Hardware might want to add more

 

[Finchyid]

i have highlighted the bit at the bottom that is relevant to us, this is from the FA Premier league websitew regarding loans. The qouta only applies to players from english clubs and there is no quota from other clubs

Under the rules in the Premier League Handbook 2022/23 (Download PDF, size: 8MB), there are restrictions on how many players Premier League clubs can loan from other Premier League/English clubs.

They are:
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
- Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer window.
- A Premier League club may loan not more than one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club.

With the exception of Welsh clubs competing in the competitions listed under Rule V.6.2, loans from a club in membership of another National Association do not count towards the above quotas.

​

Fifa changed the rule apparently

Transfer news: FIFA announces radical new loan plans that will limit clubs to six loan exits per season

FIFAs new loan rules to be given final approval at next council meeting; FIFA wants to implement rules to prevent stockpiling of players; Clubs will be limited to six players loaned out starting from 2024/25 season; club-trained players or players aged 21 or younger exempt from rules

www.skysports.com

 

[glacierSpurs]

I see we are slowly in the acceptance stage. ?

 

[Paul Rogers]

Fifa changed the rule apparently

Transfer news: FIFA announces radical new loan plans that will limit clubs to six loan exits per season

FIFAs new loan rules to be given final approval at next council meeting; FIFA wants to implement rules to prevent stockpiling of players; Clubs will be limited to six players loaned out starting from 2024/25 season; club-trained players or players aged 21 or younger exempt from rules

www.skysports.com

i cant find anywhere that says it was approved, everything i can find is from jan say if its approved.

Anyway if it is now 8 we still only have 2 in deki and lenglet so loads of room for a few more

 

[taidgh]

I have to say that a lot of the negative posters on this lad, feel to have a bit of form for hyperbolic, sweeping generalisations too.
The whole "he's shite" is tiresome but not really unexpected.

If we do sign him, I'll just wait and see what Conte can do with him and make my judgements from there.

Personally, I haven't seen nearly enough of him to form a valid opinion. I know he used to be highly rated, especially on here so I find it rather odd that he's suddenly turned into a head-down, dribble into a blind alley type shitter.

Basically, there are some members here whose opinions on players I trust because their posts are thoughtful, balanced and they have a history of being correct.
Then there are others... well, not so much.

Far too sensible for this thread -and for the site in general, actually.

 

[Gpnash84]

Trix was only saying yesterday there would be plenty of these loan options for clubs willing to take a chance on someone. Zaniolo fits that description given his injury issues. He’s still young and has loads of room for improvement and if Conte wants him I cannot see any big downside on a one yr deal with an option.

People pitching this as us picking him over Maddison when the itk we have says he may not even be available this summer.