Next Manager Watch

[Jay.]

Just out of curiosoty what was the general reaction on here when Poch was apointed?

For me i was very underwhelmed at the time.

 

[Timberwolf]

Obviously possible but he comes across as someone who really backs himself so I could see him thinking he'd succeed where others have failed.

Either way, time will tell.

Yeah fingers crossed.

I just looked it up and apparently Celtic even blocked him from bringing his own team with him and forced him to use the existing backroom staff (initially at least).

I think that bodes well for us as this is the type of bollocks Levy will try and pull and it didn't frighten him off. Not only that but he managed to make a success of it there without any of his trusted allies to back him up.

 

[C1w8]

He was our choice for a while, how much longer does he need to wait? We clearly didn't show we wanted him enough. Why should he then hold out for us in that situation and piss off his fans? He would be pretty desperate doing that given he was still in a good job.

I dont disagree, but also if the fee is as reported I can imagine why we needed to have conversations about it. I do still think if he really wanted it he couldve agitated for it for a bit more than he appears to have done, and signing a new contract just means he was more than happy to torpedo it.

Yes he's in a good job but many think we should (or more like we do), have more pull than that, we're a "big club" etc. Just plays into the wider point i've generally been making that we arent that exciting a proposition for many of these names being banded around.

 

[muppetman]

Queue then, the Levy out chants at every bad moment, fan protests on a scale not seen before and I daresay, at that stage, perhaps even visible empty seats at the stadium.

I think the real danger is apathy and empty seats, rather than fan protests. I also think most fans will give him at least half a season. Nuno was a bit of an anomaly because he showed no real passion to be here. He'd talked about taking a break from football after being burnt out at Wolves and just didn't really want to be here - which came through pretty clearly.

I think if Ange manages to get some sort of connection with the fanbase then he will get time - most of are sensible enough to know this isn't going to be a quick fix.

 

[alfie103]

You’d have to be a right weirdo to have knives out for a manager straight away. I find it amusing seeing some posts on social media from people who can barely construct a sentence suggesting they have a deep knowledge on who is right or wrong for the job. It’s been said many times before but one of the biggest issues with Twitter is it gives really thick people a platform to be really loud.

To be fair, similar things could be said for people who call out managers who have succeeded at the highest levels of football for being 'past their sell by dates' and call their football 'outdated' and use 'dinosaur tactics' when they are just fans who probably haven't managed a football team.

 

[Timberwolf]

Let's be honest, it would be a rather underwhelming appointment. Having said that, and before I go on, I stress that I'd give the guy a proper chance and don't want him to fail. Obviously.

Unfortunately though, a Postecoglou appointment would be toxic at first and would need a really good start. That's because fans would inevitably be severely frustrated with the appointment and they would be frustrated not with Ange, but with Levy.

His pressing game would need time to implement and the first few months may be tricky. Queue then, the Levy out chants at every bad moment, fan protests on a scale not seen before and I daresay, at that stage, perhaps even visible empty seats at the stadium.

That would leave the club panicking and perhaps Ange shot of confidence.

So my guess is we are heading for another horrendous disaster, not because we are above Ange or because I don't think he's a good manager (I don't really have an opinion tbh, haven't seen enough of his Celtic side), but because of what's gone on before and because the fans are already past breaking point with old Baldilocks. When we appointed Conte, I said it would either make or break Levy. I can't see any point of return from here, unless it's instant success. And no manager can bring about a change of style and instant success.

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but that's my honest evaluation of how things will go.

Think if we bring in Ange we need to hold our nerve. Celtic had a dodgy start under him and I can see it being the same here.

If there are any green shoots at all we need to just grit our teeth and ride out the storm, like Arsenal did with Arteta when they were thrashed in their first few games a few seasons ago.

Nuno was different cos there were no green shoots at all and the entire appointment was backwards. If we play some positive football and it looks like we're moving in the right direction, then I don't think it will get half as toxic as it has under our last 3 managers.

 

[Tucker]

Romano is such a fucking chancer. This isn’t new, it’s is barely even news. He’s said the same thing for the last three or four days. He’s just recycling the same thing again and again.

 

[wishkah]

the problem with having ITK and a internet based news cycle is that we see (or think we see) more than we would have in the past.

if we appointed Ange with no prior information in our heads, we would look at is as a good appointment with a manager who plays good football and is ready to be tested in the prem. the problem is we automatically view him as both not 1st/2nd/3rd choice and not as good as managers we know are available. therefore we (not all) somewhat prejudge him before he starts.

at the same time, this is coupled by the fact we need some magic bullet to sort the club out, because of the mess the club has left us in. it's not like a manager has been poached by Madrid and we need the next guy to put their stamp on a well run machine. it's we need someone to go above and beyond in sorting out the mess. We view some managers (i.e. Poch, Naggs) as having the ability to sort the football and the mess because of their history, style, profile etc.

So when i take point 1 and point 2 into account. I feel through no fault of his own that Ange might not be able to a) win footie games as much as others on the list and b) sort out the rot - through no fault of his own (levy levy) - whereas Slot might have.

So my annoyance, again through no fault of his own, is that we haven't broken the cycle and we'll see a slightly better tilt at top 6 without no material charge towards the top (ala Poch era).

However, if he does come in. I hope we (me) remove these prejudgements and he can smash it out the park

 

[robotsonic]

I think he is one of those guys that has been linked to us from the moment he had Hull playing slightly nice football,
So it’s easy to chuck him in there.
And the attempts to get the likes of Nagelsmann and Slot have been such a failure, that the club has seemingly had to start the whole process again. He was on the shortlist for manager of the season I think? So wouldn’t be surprised if he was discussed. Although if you’re not gonna pay up for Slot, good luck poaching a premier league manager.

Per ITK has Postecoglu not just been on the shortlist the entire time? I don't think we've started the whole process again, just moved down the list.

 

[mil1lion]

I dont disagree, but also if the fee is as reported I can imagine why we needed to have conversations about it. I do still think if he really wanted it he couldve agitated for it for a bit more than he appears to have done, and signing a new contract just means he was more than happy to torpedo it.

Yes he's in a good job but many think we should (or more like we do), have more pull than that, we're a "big club" etc. Just plays into the wider point i've generally been making that we arent that exciting a proposition for many of these names being banded around.

I would be surprised if those meetings were done early on in negotiations. We were linked with Slot very early on and he was reported to be our top choice. I'm sure the financial were discussed for weeks leading to the meeting and we had set in stone what we were willing to pay. Maybe Slot could have pressed for Feyenoord to drop their demands and maybe thats what he and his agent did in the meeting. They didn't agree to let him go for less and then the next day they met and thrashed out a new contract. I think if it was say a Real Madrid then sure he would have kicked up more fuss. We definitely need to show more conviction to convince a highly rated manager. I just think its not as black and white as Slot didn't want to join.

There's 2 sides to it really, we didn't want him enough to spend the money and he in return didn't want to join because we didn't show he was worth it by paying the fee. I think the same for Nagelsmann to some extent. He had certain conditions we weren't prepared to meet so it's not early just one turning the other down. We don't want him because of whatever his conditions were and be didn't want us if we could meet those conditions. I'm just tired of the media spin making it seem like nobody wants the job because they love to paint us in the most negative light.

 

[Kirito]

 

[PLTuck]

Can anyone who watches Celtic regularly tell me how good Matt O'Brien is in real life? All I know is that I bought him in FM and hes been the heartbeat of my spurs team ever since.

I may well be gaslighting myself but I'm quite excited about Postecoglu. If it's a choice of him or Silva he wins hands down. Luis Enrique I'm not sure about but that's mainly because I have an aversion to glamour appointments. I was excited for Jol when Santini bottled it, was excited for Redknapp and excited for Poch. I thought Toby was a bargain who could do really well for us when many were against it. I didn't want Jose or Conte and I have been pretty vocal wanting Howe over the past 4 years, going against a pretty strong tide on here.

On the flip side I was super excited for AVB

 

[muppetman]

He's as thick as mince isn't he.

 

[jakuba]

Whoever we get is going to need time to implement their style of play - goes without saying fan patience is going to depend on results. If we get an easy start to the season I could see them buying a bit of time like Nuno did until it comprehensively fell apart but if it’s say Chelsea at home early days with Poch at the helm and they beat us. I would say they wouldn’t have much credit in the bank to ride out that storm.

I live in Scotland so have seen Celtic plenty under Ange and a lot of friends are season ticket holders at Celtic Park. They wax lyrical about him, so if he came I’d have a sliver of optimism he could be the man and hope he does have an easy start to the season to get the team playing how he wants. Because if it’s a slow start how he had at Celtic where he lost his first old firm match. He won’t be able to make up the difference smashing the lesser teams in Scotland, our own fans and other teams will smell blood and it’ll fall apart.

 

[dimiSpur]

Think if we bring in Ange we need to hold our nerve. Celtic had a dodgy start under him and I can see it being the same here.

If there are any green shoots at all we need to just grit our teeth and ride out the storm, like Arsenal did with Arteta when they were thrashed in their first few games a few seasons ago.

Nuno was different cos there were no green shoots at all and the entire appointment was backwards. If we play some positive football and it looks like we're moving in the right direction, then I don't think it will get half as toxic as it has under our last 3 managers.

That's my point exactly though. The vast majority don't have any grit or nerve left. There's no credit in the bank for the Board and specifically Levy to work with. That's why it'll turn toxic so quickly.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Unbelievable seeing one too many 'underwhelmed' responses. When the whole world wanted a manager who is not defensive, and here we are possibly getting an ultra attacking one, but look at the reactions here.

Ange is probably the closest we could get to Slot and speakers just as passionately well. There is simply no reason to fully accept Slot but wholly rejecting Ange, all just because the latter manages a SPL side when Slot's opponents in Eredivisie are nothing more impressive. Have some of you actually seen how badly coached we were this season and being clueless on the field? The facts have all been presented Slot/Ange are the probably the most ideal to solve our issues. We couldn't get Slot, so, we move on to the next.

Mid table is where we are at the moment because of one stupid chairman. Put all the blame on the bald fraud if Ange comes, because what some of you want in a world class manager should have been wrapped up if the bald fraud thinks this club is world class enough.

 

[Gareth88]

‘Show some respect, I don’t interrupt your question’ after he has interrupted the question.

 

[codspur]

Can anyone who watches Celtic regularly tell me how good Matt O'Brien is in real life? All I know is that I bought him in FM and hes been the heartbeat of my spurs team ever since.

I may well be gaslighting myself but I'm quite excited about Postecoglu. If it's a choice of him or Silva he wins hands down. Luis Enrique I'm not sure about but that's mainly because I have an aversion to glamour appointments. I was excited for Jol when Santini bottled it, was excited for Redknapp and excited for Poch. I thought Toby was a bargain who could do really well for us when many were against it. I didn't want Jose or Conte and I have been pretty vocal wanting Howe over the past 4 years, going against a pretty strong tide on here.

On the flip side I was super excited for AVB

I think a few people on here mentioned having Celtic supporting mates perhaps they could help you

 

[Monkey Bastard Hands]

I’m all in on Ange.

Firstly because he seems like a decent genuine bloke and I think he’ll help rebuild the connection between the fans and the club which has been left in tatters thanks to the shambolic decision by the board over the last few years.

Secondly because it seems like he plays a brand of football that is more appealing than our last 3 managers and we might actually be entertained when watching for once.

Thirdly because he’s Australian and my wife is Australian and earlier today she got actually a bit excited about something Spurs related when I told her we might be appointing an Aussie manager and so I’m hoping for less tutting and eye rolling when I turn the footy on in the evening.

Fourthly because there’s this video doing the rounds that puts him in a good light, not sure if anyone’s seen it as I’ve not seen it posted on here but it’s good and everyone should watch it right now.

 

[muppetman]

Can anyone who watches Celtic regularly tell me how good Matt O'Brien is in real life? All I know is that I bought him in FM and hes been the heartbeat of my spurs team ever since.

I may well be gaslighting myself but I'm quite excited about Postecoglu. If it's a choice of him or Silva he wins hands down. Luis Enrique I'm not sure about but that's mainly because I have an aversion to glamour appointments. I was excited for Jol when Santini bottled it, was excited for Redknapp and excited for Poch. I thought Toby was a bargain who could do really well for us when many were against it. I didn't want Jose or Conte and I have been pretty vocal wanting Howe over the past 4 years, going against a pretty strong tide on here.

On the flip side I was super excited for AVB

I remember doing all the reading about AVB's "philosophy" and getting very excited. Looking back, the thing I remember most about his time in charge was getting regularly spanked by Liverpool.

I think I'm just a cheap date.