Next Manager Watch

[fishhhandaricecake]

Anyone know when our preseason is due to start? Like when do we actually need to have our shit together by and I wonder if this drags on if mason will start pre-season (that would be really bad if so, we need this sorted a good few weeks in advance of pre season so the new Manager and DofF can start planning what to do with the squad, ins and outs, loan players etc). Let’s hope it is sorted soon but Levy has a habit of sabotaging our starts to seasons with player transfers or manager hires dragging on far longer than needed.

 

[HedgieSpur]

Good. He’s the wrong one for us imo.

Completely disagree mate.

He would have been perfect for us… plays very good football, speaks good English, promotes youth, did very well with tiny Celta Vigo and promotes players with technical ability. He would have shipped out a significant number of our cloggers which is exactly what we need.

But yeah he’s a “big name” and seemingly a number of out fans have drank the “must not get another Jose or Conte” Koolaid without bothering to actually properly assess the manager in question.

 

[beats1]

I think what is maybe going underappreciated about Ange, at least as it relates to “he’s only done it in the Scottish league and the Scottish league is fucking terrible” - is that I can’t remember a Celtic side who played so well in Europe.

In that group with Real Madrid, RB Leipzig, and Shakhtar (where I would consider Celtic the minnows, tbh - Shakhtar are moving players like Mudryk for 50m+), I thought Celtics football was the best I’ve ever seen from a Scottish team. They underperformed xG massively, and that is likely down to bad luck, lesser players, and/or nerves, but check this out…

-2.1 xG at Real (0.7 from a pen they missed, but still, that kind of attacking output from a Scottish side to a top 5 team in the world, most of it in the first half when the game wasn’t dead yet, is unheard of)
-1.4 xG home to Shakhtar (little underwhelming, but not terrible…Shakhtar were a decent low block team this year and could play for a draw)
-2.0 xG home to RBL, team went 0/5 on big chances, almost 15 shots inside the box…dominated a top 3 Bundesliga team
-1.0 xG away to RBL, probably their most underwhelming performance
-1.5 xG away to Shakhtar (albeit this was neutral ground I think), limited them to 0.3 xG, weren’t able to win this one either somehow
-1.4 xG home to Real - not jaw dropping but still pretty good IMO…

His European record is terrible

1st season
gets knocked out by Midtjylland in CL knockout in extra time
Then beats Jablonec and AZ Alkmaar 3-2
Loses to Betis and Bayer Leverkusen twice and only beating Hungarian team before beating Betis in a dead rubber after Betis had qualified for next round and Celtic had qualified for ECL
Loses in Conference League to Bodo/Glimt 5-1

2nd Season
Loses matches against Real Madrid agg. 8-1, RB Leipzig agg. 5-1 and draws against Shakhtar.
Doesn't Qualify for Europa League as Shakhtar had 6pts vs Celtics 2pts

Compare that to
Van Bronkhurst took Rangers to Europa League Final
Rodgers took Celtics to Europa League twice after getting knocked out in Champions League, losing to Valencia and Zenit
Rodgers also got 3 points in a group with Man City, Barcelona and Munchengladbach. So harder group but got more points

Ange is a less successful version of Brendon Rodgers but without any of the baggage

 

[Metalhead]

Darren Moore has done a great job at Sheff Wed and Ipswich have played some great stuff too. If we are going down the lower league standard like Celtic, then we may as well look to our own lower leagues.

Its hard to envisage Levy being at the stage of appointing lower coaches.

 

[Annabel]

Gretar and Andy are still working aren’t they? With Munn coming in it might make sense to appoint Ange.
I know the twitterati don’t approve, but if Levy wants a European system with a head coach staying for 2 years then it doesn’t really matter if the football philosophy is consistent.

IF carrying all my hopes & dreams in that sentence.

 

[Deleted member 27855]

Completely disagree mate.

He would have been perfect for us… plays very good football, speaks good English, promotes youth, did very well with tiny Celta Vigo and promotes players with technical ability. He would have shipped out a significant number of our cloggers which is exactly what we need.

But yeah he’s a “big name” and seemingly a number of out fans have drank the “must not get another Jose or Conte” Koolaid without bothering to actually properly assess the manager in question.

I'm not enamored with Enrique at all but I'd definitely rather have him over Postecoglou.

The one thing I really don't get is the speaks good English narrative. They beat Gallardo over the head with that and he's the one I'd hire if Nagelsmann is completely out of the question.

It's not as if it takes Cormac McCarthy to point at Dier and say "You shit. Sit there." and point at the bench.

 

[LannerSpurs]

Currently in a Parkdean site having a pint, not sure what's worse our managerial search or the two fat bints trying to sing on stage, fucking awful

 

[DenverSpur]

I’m watching the BT interview with Paul Barber, chief exec (ex THFC) at Brighton. He was asked about succession planning. He said he is constantly looking at 20-25 people on and off the field and looking at who can fill that role if it becomes vacant.

The first question is “who is in the building?” An example he gave is when they sold Bissouma, they already had Caicedo ‘in the building’. He said that you are at your weakest in a negotiation when the selling club knows you’ve just taken in tens of millions from selling a player.

de Zerbi was identified as a potential successor well before Potter left. Brighton knew all about him and had been following him for some time. So it was a relatively smooth process to bring him in without disrupting the club too much.

You see. It can be done. Just not by Levy. In the same way our players and managers win trophies, but not with us, our executive staff can run a club well - but not ours.

And what could be the reason for that?
Makes you wonder how we ever built the stadium?

 

[Kirito]

Its hard to envisage Levy being at the stage of appointing lower coaches.

He’s not going to, the point was that we as fans seem to be settling for someone that has Celtic playing good football in the Scottish prem, so why are managers in leagues at a similar level not being spoken about?

It might be all doom and gloom at the moment but we shouldn’t rush the appointment - despite what people say, someone with better credentials will want the job.

And yes Conte and Jose didn’t work out as expected but it doesn’t mean you give up on hiring quality.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

I'm not enamored with Enrique at all but I'd definitely rather have him over Postecoglou.

The one thing I really don't get is the speaks good English narrative. They beat Gallardo over the head with that and he's the one I'd hire if Nagelsmann is completely out of the question.

Are his cup wins in Argentina is that much more impressive than Ange winning cups in Australia, Japan and Scotland. We talk about other managers who’ve walked it in Scotland pre-Ange but take a look at the Copa Libertadores winning managers.

Surely it’s the exact same gamble..?

FWIW, I’d be very excited about Gallardo, just not sure there’s much difference between him, Ange.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Good. He’s the wrong one for us imo.

I’m not saying I want Enrique, but why would he be worse than Ange? It seems a lot of people criticise Enrique because he did well with Barca which doesn’t say much but then people are primarily basing their want for Ange on his time at Celtic where he would also be expected to win. In terms of stats Enrique improved on the previous with Barca much like Ange did with Celtic. You could also argue that Enrique has the added experience of having successfully managed major stars something that Ange has never done. Enrique is also a likeable character so there isn’t really a personality reason to disregard him. Also Enrique is very versatile tactically having used 433, 442 and even 343 successfully. I know there’s more to it than that but still I guess I don’t get the amount of hate Enrique gets.

As I said, I’m not saying I want Enrique. He was never a top choice for me and I certainly would have plenty of questions. But I feel the same way about Ange and I guess I don’t really understand why some people are so adamant that Ange is the right man for the job and yet so dismissive of Enrique. I’m not saying you are one of those people ether, it’s more of a general question.

 

[pook]

Darren Moore has done a great job at Sheff Wed and Ipswich have played some great stuff too. If we are going down the lower league standard like Celtic, then we may as well look to our own lower leagues.

I love Darren Moore, but his primary strengths appear to be in squad-building (which is an entirely different exercise in the 3rd tier from toward the top of the prem) and in man-management. His teams are reasonably well-balanced, work hard, and play for each other. His tactics can be rather suspect, though, and at times seem mystifying. I know quite a few at Wednesday, and though he's taken them to a 96-point season and one match from promotion, there are surprisingly many who aren't big admirers.

Again, I'm a fan ... but I wouldn't see that kind of appointment going well at Spurs.

 

[Metalhead]

He’s not going to, the point was that we as fans seem to be settling for someone that has Celtic playing good football in the Scottish prem, so why are managers in leagues at a similar level not being spoken about?

It might be all doom and gloom at the moment but we shouldn’t rush the appointment - despite what people say, someone with better credentials will want the job.

And yes Conte and Jose didn’t work out as expected but it doesn’t mean you give up on hiring quality.

That could be the board's intention. TBF to the fans, we went through all this last time so I totally understand why people might have little confidence in the board.

 

[Metalhead]

He’s not going to, the point was that we as fans seem to be settling for someone that has Celtic playing good football in the Scottish prem, so why are managers in leagues at a similar level not being spoken about?

It might be all doom and gloom at the moment but we shouldn’t rush the appointment - despite what people say, someone with better credentials will want the job.

And yes Conte and Jose didn’t work out as expected but it doesn’t mean you give up on hiring quality.

That could be the board's intention. TBF to the fans, we went through all this last time so I totally understand why people might have little confidence in the board.

 

[HedgieSpur]

I love Darren Moore, but his primary strengths appear to be in squad-building (which is an entirely different exercise in the 3rd tier from toward the top of the prem) and in man-management. His teams are reasonably well-balanced, work hard, and play for each other. His tactics can be rather suspect, though, and at times seem mystifying. I know quite a few at Wednesday, and though he's taken them to a 96-point season and one match from promotion, there are surprisingly many who aren't big admirers.

Again, I'm a fan ... but I wouldn't see that kind of appointment going well at Spurs.

Just to be clear I’m not advocating for Darren Moore…. I’m just saying that in my view if we are looking at Celtic managers we should be looking at our own lower leagues too as the standard is on par imo

 

[Yiddo100]

Darren bloody Moore ???

 

[funkycoldmedina]

I think what is maybe going underappreciated about Ange, at least as it relates to “he’s only done it in the Scottish league and the Scottish league is fucking terrible” - is that I can’t remember a Celtic side who played so well in Europe.

In that group with Real Madrid, RB Leipzig, and Shakhtar (where I would consider Celtic the minnows, tbh - Shakhtar are moving players like Mudryk for 50m+), I thought Celtics football was the best I’ve ever seen from a Scottish team. They underperformed xG massively, and that is likely down to bad luck, lesser players, and/or nerves, but check this out…

-2.1 xG at Real (0.7 from a pen they missed, but still, that kind of attacking output from a Scottish side to a top 5 team in the world, most of it in the first half when the game wasn’t dead yet, is unheard of)
-1.4 xG home to Shakhtar (little underwhelming, but not terrible…Shakhtar were a decent low block team this year and could play for a draw)
-2.0 xG home to RBL, team went 0/5 on big chances, almost 15 shots inside the box…dominated a top 3 Bundesliga team
-1.0 xG away to RBL, probably their most underwhelming performance
-1.5 xG away to Shakhtar (albeit this was neutral ground I think), limited them to 0.3 xG, weren’t able to win this one either somehow
-1.4 xG home to Real - not jaw dropping but still pretty good IMO…

I can't understand, when presented with some facts about a team they've never watched closely people would down rate this.
Having a closed off mind to recruitment is sacrilege IMHO

 

[DenverSpur]

Are his cup wins in Argentina is that much more impressive than Ange winning cups in Australia, Japan and Scotland. We talk about other managers who’ve walked it in Scotland pre-Ange but take a look at the Copa Libertadores winning managers.

Surely it’s the exact same gamble..?

FWIW, I’d be very excited about Gallardo, just not sure there’s much difference between him, Ange.

I think you are both underestimating the league in Argentina and don’t appreciate the pressure of being the manager of River Plate

 

[mabolsa_ritchey]

I think we’ve hit the point in the list of names where drinking my own piss is more preferable to watching us lose each week next season.

 

[Hoopspur]

I love Darren Moore, but his primary strengths appear to be in squad-building (which is an entirely different exercise in the 3rd tier from toward the top of the prem) and in man-management. His teams are reasonably well-balanced, work hard, and play for each other. His tactics can be rather suspect, though, and at times seem mystifying. I know quite a few at Wednesday, and though he's taken them to a 96-point season and one match from promotion, there are surprisingly many who aren't big admirers.

Again, I'm a fan ... but I wouldn't see that kind of appointment going well at Spurs.

They fell off the edge of a cliff for the last 2-3 months of the season. They ended up being lucky to get into the League 1 final. They were leading the division for a while and Plymouth and Ipswich just kept powering on and they/he couldn’t cope. It’s a big no from me.