New Stadium Details And Discussions

[chrissivad]

Funny how you say that you've never really taken notice of ITK before going onto systematically question the integrity and motives of someone passing on information in good faith. The site and this thread in particular are littered with examples of excellent information that isn't in the public domain but that has prompted debate and discussion which is why we are all here. It will rarely ever be 'water-tight' which is widely accepted by most posters here but you take it at face-value.

My understanding of the philosophy of Spurscommunity is that ITK-bashing is discouraged as it can make people less inclined to pass on information. If you don't agree with that then I'm sure there are plenty of other sites that would welcome you and your opinions with open arms.

It is, and there are plenty of posters that still want to read to read the info that is passed on.

 

[SpurSince57]

As Gobby says, greed played a large part - from what i understood, the club made them a substantial offer before the CPO was even an issue and, even when it did become one, they still included new premises plus compensation - considering where that business is situated with very little room to expand, i was surprised when they turned down the offer which i'm guessing would be on a trading estate somewhere in Haringey, giving them plenty of room to expand. I mean, i don't know if they did, but surely if they didn't like the proposed site they could've found another and suggested that instead?

I dunno, so many things seem to all point to the company owners losing the pounds because they haggled over pennies. They won't even be able to rent a unit the size of their current building with 500k.

They were offered the site at 500 White Hart Lane. This is not only a good deal larger than the existing one but also has rather better road connections to the North Circular and A10. They turned it down. Yes, they have a right to expect fair compensation, but fair compensation and screwing Spurs and Haringey for outrageous sums of money are very different things. Serves the greedy fuckers right.

As for Jabba the Hutt taking his time over confirming the order, he's going to have BoJo on his case if he sits on it.

 

[Booney]

Nothing ground-breaking but David Lammy MP speaks about his views on stadium redevelopment and various other bits on latest edition of the Spurs Show podcast (starts at approx 23 mins);

- thinks there will be an 'imminent' decision/agreement re. Archway in 'next couple of weeks'.
- still suggests lots of outstanding issues around financing the stadium once this hurdle is negotiated
- local authority and MP fully behind the club and plans
- sees Crossrail 2 and expansion of train services to Stanstead as a huge stimulus for transforming the area in the intermediate term
- very impressed with what Levy and the club has contributed to the local community/Haringey in recent years.

 

[Wine Gum]

Is this Lammy being a loose cannon or another potential spanner in the project.

http://www.enfieldindependent.co.uk/news/11215250._/

''The club and the council are still working to move local businesses in order for the stadium to be built, but taxi firm Network Cars is refusing to move unless it receives a significant pay out.

Mr Lammy said: “The owner sees his business is worth £25 million and the club think it is much less than that. The secretary of state will have to decide what is fair''.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Is this Lammy being a loose cannon or another potential spanner in the project.

http://www.enfieldindependent.co.uk/news/11215250._/

''The club and the council are still working to move local businesses in order for the stadium to be built, but taxi firm Network Cars is refusing to move unless it receives a significant pay out.

Mr Lammy said: “The owner sees his business is worth £25 million and the club think it is much less than that. The secretary of state will have to decide what is fair''.

If you look carefully it's the Independent that said that about Network Cars, not Lammy. Besides they're down by Tottenham Hale

 

[dovahkiin]

prof on coys:

A carrier pigeon arrives bearing a note from Galahad that reads:
"In the next three weeks the CPO for Archway Metal should be done. We offered 4 million and they asked for double, which they won't get. "

galahad is their the goat ftr

 

[Mister Jez]

Is this Lammy being a loose cannon or another potential spanner in the project.

http://www.enfieldindependent.co.uk/news/11215250._/

''The club and the council are still working to move local businesses in order for the stadium to be built, but taxi firm Network Cars is refusing to move unless it receives a significant pay out.

Mr Lammy said: “The owner sees his business is worth £25 million and the club think it is much less than that. The secretary of state will have to decide what is fair''.

Lammy was talking about Archway Metal when he mentioned the £25mill, Network cars was not mentioned.

 

[jambreck]

billy white:

Not to disrespect Ed's info, but NFL is a no-go; they've gone with Wembley. Not for a franchise (yet), but just for the international games. Franchise is still a ways away from being tangible is what I've heard.
This was what I was alluding to earlier, but had heard only good noises until yesterday, when I heard that they had decided to go with Wembley.
Reasoning was that they didn't want to be seen as having a particular relationship with one team, especially in a league where some NFL owners also own teams.
Sorry to bear bad news, but just heard and thought I would pass along.


:/

That's a great shame.

Concerns me that we might well now end up with the decent but underwhelming, generic and 10-years-out-of-date KSS design.

 

[Spursidol]

Daniel Levy's ITK update !

1. Stadium Update: CPO’s, naming rights, timescales, ground shares
•DH stated that the stadium was the most critical issue facing the Club at present
•DL explained how the CPO on the one remaining property (Archway Steel) was still outstanding, a year after the public enquiry in March 2013. THFC had been advised a decision was imminent in September 2013 and has been following up fortnightly through lawyers ever since
•THFC has already relocated 71 businesses from Tottenham amicably to secure the land for the new stadium
•THFC has been trying to purchase Archway Steel for 10 years now and until this is finally resolved, work cannot begin on the new stadium
•AB asked whether the timelines shared with fans in April were achievable, in terms of the completion date of 2017. DL commented that the timings were increasingly tight and there was the possibility this may be pushed back if the CPO was any further delayed
•MC asked whether the stadium design remained the same as the set made public in 2012. DC commented that there would be internal changes as the design was already dated in terms of the latest fittings etc.
•DL and DC confirmed that once THFC is in a position to begin the build process in earnest, the various committees established to advise and assist with the move would be revived – Heritage Committee, Transport Committee etc.
•The possibility of ground sharing for the final season prior to the new stadium opening was raised by THST. DL advised that THFC had an open mind as to where this may be but this was looking increasingly like a possibility
•KL enquired as to the possibility of building a multi-purpose stadium to accommodate other sports (NFL, in particular). DL commented that nothing was planned at this point but they would keep an open mind for the future
http://www.thstofficial.com/thst-updates/thstthfc-board-to-board-meeting,-13th-may-2014.aspx

 

[Hugh DeMann]

Daniel Levy's ITK update !

1. Stadium Update: CPO’s, naming rights, timescales, ground shares
•DH stated that the stadium was the most critical issue facing the Club at present
•DL explained how the CPO on the one remaining property (Archway Steel) was still outstanding, a year after the public enquiry in March 2013. THFC had been advised a decision was imminent in September 2013 and has been following up fortnightly through lawyers ever since
•THFC has already relocated 71 businesses from Tottenham amicably to secure the land for the new stadium
•THFC has been trying to purchase Archway Steel for 10 years now and until this is finally resolved, work cannot begin on the new stadium
•AB asked whether the timelines shared with fans in April were achievable, in terms of the completion date of 2017. DL commented that the timings were increasingly tight and there was the possibility this may be pushed back if the CPO was any further delayed
•MC asked whether the stadium design remained the same as the set made public in 2012. DC commented that there would be internal changes as the design was already dated in terms of the latest fittings etc.
•DL and DC confirmed that once THFC is in a position to begin the build process in earnest, the various committees established to advise and assist with the move would be revived – Heritage Committee, Transport Committee etc.
•The possibility of ground sharing for the final season prior to the new stadium opening was raised by THST. DL advised that THFC had an open mind as to where this may be but this was looking increasingly like a possibility
•KL enquired as to the possibility of building a multi-purpose stadium to accommodate other sports (NFL, in particular). DL commented that nothing was planned at this point but they would keep an open mind for the future
http://www.thstofficial.com/thst-updates/thstthfc-board-to-board-meeting,-13th-may-2014.aspx

The point about the ground share is interesting:

"The possibility of ground sharing for the final season prior to the new stadium opening was raised by THST. DL advised that THFC had an open mind as to where this may be but this was looking increasingly like a possibility"

'Increasingly like a possibility' = 'this is the what we think is going to happen but do not want to tie ourselves by going on record with it.'

 

[absolute bobbins]

10 Years! Archway really have Spursed themselves up with not accepting one of the hundreds of offers

 

[Spursidol]

The point about the ground share is interesting:

"The possibility of ground sharing for the final season prior to the new stadium opening was raised by THST. DL advised that THFC had an open mind as to where this may be but this was looking increasingly like a possibility"

'Increasingly like a possibility' = 'this is the what we think is going to happen but do not want to tie ourselves by going on record with it.'

Agreed, But so it the point that it looks as if its only the internal fitout which is changing, not the overall design. Suggests that no new planning application is required unless they do go down the NFL ground share route when the retractable pitch would require a new planing application.

 

[Hugh DeMann]

Agreed, But so it the point that it looks as if its only the internal fitout which is changing, not the overall design. Suggests that no new planning application is required unless they do go down the NFL ground share route when the retractable pitch would require a new planing application.

You're right that confirmation is quite telling. The major remaining obstacles seem to me to be the CPO and the financing of the project rather than design.

If Spurs were to organise a partnership with an NFL team I would expect that construction work could have already begun before we submit a revised planning application. I still like the idea of diversifying the use of the stadium to give us some more financial security.

 

[jambreck]

Agreed, But so it the point that it looks as if its only the internal fitout which is changing, not the overall design. Suggests that no new planning application is required unless they do go down the NFL ground share route when the retractable pitch would require a new planing application.

It's intriguing that Levy left the option of a future NFL tie up open, though. In which case, you'd imagine that the changes planned to the KSS design might be rather more extensive than he's letting on.

I certainly hope so.

 

[SpurSince57]

If you look carefully it's the Independent that said that about Network Cars, not Lammy. Besides they're down by Tottenham Hale

That bit seems to have been edited out of the Independent's website (Network Cars are opposite the police station, BTW, so what it was about I have no idea).

 

[Lilbaz]

Didn't anyone bother to ask levy etc... what the capacity will be?

 

[Jamturk]

Didn't anyone bother to ask levy etc... what the capacity will be?

Yeah

36,320

What?

 

[spursfan77]

10 Years! Archway really have Spursed themselves up with not accepting one of the hundreds of offers

Yep, they are more likely to get market value now rather than the higher amount we will have offered.

 

[Flashspur]

I'm sorry, are you trying to compare your experience as a one-time perhaps maybe ITK whose info was passed on to you from a Crystal Palace groundsman about fecking John Bostock to knowing what it's like posting information on the world-record transfer of Gareth Bale, the future takeover of Fulham involving a billionaire, and potential information about a multi-million pound investment on our stadium? You do know that you passing that on risked absolutely nothing aside from, at a stretch, the transfer itself, whilst actual ITKs potentially risk their careers, business relationships and friendships (as well as others') doing what they do?

As for your point about being vague in their postings defeating the object of ITK I vehemently disagree. If someone like Billy White or the like posts something, ESPECIALLY when they indicate that nothing is concluded but that at that point in time would appear a certain way, then I'd believe that to be what is currently happening seeing as they have a proven track record (shirt sponsor, Fulham takeover, Bale transfer, Soldado transfer). What I would take away from their vagueness is that at present moment they, for whatever reason, do not feel comfortable sharing specifics, but want people to know that things are moving in a certain direction, in this case in a positive direction toward stadium investment. Which I welcome with open arms given the season we've had - I think we could all use an update on some good news when it's happening, even if eventually it turns out differently.

And there's a massive fear on this board that ITKs will be scared off because it's happened before and has been directly linked back to this board. ITKs, especially ones with very solid track records, are a complete privilege that many, many people not only on this board but on many others enjoy. It's entitled bellends like you that ruin it for the rest of us when you criticize someone putting things on the line to provide us information we would normally not be privy to about the club we follow with a passion.

why would you get spammed for that post....?

 

[Spursidol]

Didn't anyone bother to ask levy etc... what the capacity will be?

I think THFC thought they had covered that sort of question with this exchange :

MC asked whether the stadium design remained the same as the set made public in 2012. DC commented that there would be internal changes as the design was already dated in terms of the latest fittings etc.

So on the face of it, not much change froom the 56,250 made public in 2012 - unless the transport upgrades & Stadium walkway allow a few more fans in though the 'internal design changes'. But that's not as firm an answer as we might like