New Stadium Details And Discussions

[dagraham]

Both Gammaray (my favourite) and Neck Oil are 5%+ - then I think they've got Black Betty in cans which is a Black IPA at 7.4%

Appreciate that some more hardened drinkers are used to this, but I do wonder whether it’s a great idea to be selling 6-7% proof beer at a football stadium.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

All way too strong for me. I like a good, balanced 4% session ale.

Except when I'm in Belgium .

 

[Styopa]

Appreciate that some more hardened drinkers are used to this, but I do wonder whether it’s a great idea to be selling 6-7% proof beer at a football stadium.

In my experience the people looking to get totally smashed do just fine downing pints of Carlsberg, Budweiser etc without having to bother with anything fancy like a can of black IPA. The taste is usually totally different from a larger and the fact its not on draught and doesn't come in a pint will deter your average lager drinker.

 

[kr1978]

To anyone of you that have been to the test events, have you spotted anywhere ( either in the South or preferably the East Stand) that I can get a Guinness? I’ve seen a few pictures on line, but I don’t think it’s going to be feasible tonight to be exploring too much.

They had it listed on the board at a few of the bars so you should be fine

 

['O Zio]

Appreciate that some more hardened drinkers are used to this, but I do wonder whether it’s a great idea to be selling 6-7% proof beer at a football stadium.

They're only the little 330 ml cans though so even a 7% one of those is still less alcohol than a full pint of your typical 4.8% lager like Stella, Heineken etc.

 

[easley91]

Was unable to get Palace tickets, forked out £80 for Huddersfield and will try City tomorrow. Glad I'll get to see at least one first team game there before my scheduled surgery in two weeks.

 

[mark87]

Amstel is lovely

I really like it, very glad it's just £4

 

[mark87]

Yeah, Guinness definitely wouldn't work on those. The key to a good pint is how its poured.
I'd be surprised if they didn't have any on tap somewhere though, it's an extremely popular bevvie.
My go to pint if there aren't any decent beers available (I cannot, and will not, drink Fosters, Carling and the like).

I'd rather drink a stool sample than drink Carling, it's the worst beer I've ever tasted.

 

[dagraham]

In my experience the people looking to get totally smashed do just fine downing pints of Carlsberg, Budweiser etc without having to bother with anything fancy like a can of black IPA. The taste is usually totally different from a larger and the fact its not on draught and doesn't come in a pint will deter your average lager drinker.

Yeah to be fair that’s a good point.

 

[dagraham]

I'd rather drink a stool sample than drink Carling, it's the worst beer I've ever tasted.

Yeah Fosters and Carling are not good. If I had to drink one the more popular and weaker lagers it would be Carlsberg.

I don’t often drink lager these days, but if I do it’s usually Peroni ( although I have heard that Italians have no idea why it’s so popular over here as they think it’s awful). I like Kronenburg too, but it gives me the worst hangovers.

I don’t mind Amstel though, so if I can’t find Guinness I will have a pint of that.

 

[Gb160]

I don’t often drink lager these days, but if I do it’s usually Peroni ( although I have heard that Italians have no idea why it’s so popular over here as they think it’s awful).

Yeah I've read the same, its considered really shit (like our Carling or similar) but its marketed completely differently in Europe.
I quite like it tbh.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

They've got the Beavertown beers in all bars - otherwise give the Dispensary a try if you can't find it elsewhere. I'm fairly sure the Goal Line bar had it, but it was chaos down there so didn't really pay much attention

I’d imagine Beavertown does a Stout which can be even nice than a pint of Guinness

 

[coys200]

Nah

This bit reinforces my point. Of course you don't exclude it from the final total. But you very likely paid the early architects' fees from cash, so it doesn't appear in your borrowing totals.

I happen to be in that precise situation with a project right now: paying for early development costs before even arranging a borrowing facility. None of these costs will affect the eventual borrowing, although they're in my cash flow. That's why you can't do a simple calculation of the sort you outlined. The costs are too historical - many have been written off or capitalised long ago.

A more important point is the confirmation in Levy's interview - for at least the 5th time, although the media routinely ignore it because "£1bn"makes such a good headline - that "the stadium itself is estimated to have cost around £450m" and that £1bn is the approximate cost of "the overall project, which will eventually include an 180-bed hotel and 579 apartments".

It's not incidental that the whole world thinks we're walking into a £1bn building this evening. It's purely intentional and malicious. The press always distort development costs to make them seem as if every project has run wildly over budget. Always. And it's always bullshit, as it is here. £450m for a stadium of this size and specification isn't even unusually expensive!

Nah I think you’re wrong £450m was the original cost. It then went up sharply that was when Levy came out with all the Brexit stuff. Then you’ve had a 6 month overrun. He said yesterday £1bn was approx correct. If that was involving other costs he would have said. The stadium stand alone is now £1bn. Which was my original point if the loan is only £630m then we’ve found the other £400m from somewhere. Which tbh does tie in with about 8 seasons of zero net spend.

 

['O Zio]

I don’t often drink lager these days, but if I do it’s usually Peroni ( although I have heard that Italians have no idea why it’s so popular over here as they think it’s awful).

As a slight footnote to that it's worth pointing out that what is sold as "Peroni" is a different beer to what is sold as Peroni in Italy so there's always confusion when talking about it with Italians. In Italy Peroni brew one beer called just Peroni, which is the bog-standard cheap and chearful beer in Italy. Kind of like a Carling/Fosters equivalent I suppose.

But then they also brew a so-called "premium" lager called Nastro Azzurro. However, in the UK, Nastro Azzurro is just marketed and labelled as just "Peroni" even though it has the Nastro Azzurro design on the label if you get what I mean. So when people say they love Peroni to an Italian, they're picturing the "non-premium" one and are confused as to why it's considered to be a premium product in the UK when it's basically the cheapest beer you can buy in Italy

That said, even the Nastro Azzurro/"UK-Peroni" is still just a bog-standard cold and wet larger though so I don't really get why it's always more expensive and made out to be some kind of premium product over here though.

Sorry, I'm boring myself now...

 

[dagraham]

I’d imagine Beavertown does a Stout which can be even nice than a pint of Guinness

I doubt it. I’m not a fan of craft beer, but every time I’m forced into a hipster pub I’ve tried the Stout. And every time I wish they would just serve Guinness instead.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I was tearing up when he said 'welcome home' at the end.

I really hope that all of you who will be there understand just how fucking lucky you are.

'Luck comes at a price mate. A much higher one for some more than others

Cannot wait to be going home. Not set eyes on the place since we left

Hopefully it will be really sunny. Might need my ? as I could well have something in my eye later!!

 

[worcestersauce]

A year ago I'd never heard of Beaver Town but having had a few neck oils I have been pleasantly surprised, I'd recommend it.
Sky are live at the ground all morning reporting in little snippets obviously building up through the day, nice touch sky. Mind you the delightful young anchor in the studio announced that it was a few hundred yards up the road, didn't occur that if that was the case we could have stayed where we were until it was built, still no biggy just made me chuckle.

 

[dagraham]

'Luck comes at a price mate. A much higher one for some more than others

Cannot wait to be going home. Not set eyes on the place since we left

Hopefully it will be really sunny. Might need my ? as I could well have something in my eye later!!

Yeah I haven’t seen the place since the Utd game at WHL. Can’t wait.

You’re out of luck there. Thundery showers and cold later apparently.

 

[Aay_Jay_Dee]

As a slight footnote to that it's worth pointing out that what is sold as "Peroni" is a different beer to what is sold as Peroni in Italy so there's always confusion when talking about it with Italians. In Italy Peroni brew one beer called just Peroni, which is the bog-standard cheap and chearful beer in Italy. Kind of like a Carling/Fosters equivalent I suppose.

But then they also brew a so-called "premium" lager called Nastro Azzurro. However, in the UK, Nastro Azzurro is just marketed and labelled as just "Peroni" even though it has the Nastro Azzurro design on the label if you get what I mean. So when people say they love Peroni to an Italian, they're picturing the "non-premium" one and are confused as to why it's considered to be a premium product in the UK when it's basically the cheapest beer you can buy in Italy

That said, even the Nastro Azzurro/"UK-Peroni" is still just a bog-standard cold and wet larger though so I don't really get why it's always more expensive and made out to be some kind of premium product over here though.

Sorry, I'm boring myself now...

Italians also love super tennents for some reason. It was served at a wedding I was at as a 'premium' lager. They were shocked when i said it was exclusively drunk by tramps in England.

 

[McFlash]

I doubt it. I’m not a fan of craft beer, but every time I’m forced into a hipster pub I’ve tried the Stout. And every time I wish they would just serve Guinness instead.

I like a craft beer and have spent many a happy day sat in a CAMRA country pub. Trouble is that it's been taken over by the fashionable, man-bun wearing, long beard having hipsters.
This has driven up the price and at the same time, driven down the quality, as everyone jumps on the band wagon.
I would say that drinking a pint of decent craft is more like having a glass of wine. So many differing favours, its nice to sup slowly with some nice nibbles (I'm talking cheeses and meats, not Scampi Fries or Twiglets).
Crafts aren't session beers though, unless you're at a beer festival, knocking back umpteen different halfs...must try...all of them!