Match Ratings Match Ratings vs Chelsea (A)

[Japhet]

Didn't understand the setup tbh. We're much more solid with 3 in CM. A bit like the first leg of the Carabao Cup when I didn't understand that setup either, going to Stamford Bridge with 2 in CM. Kane my MOM for producing a handful of quality moments in a sea of dross.

 

[HodisGawd]

The good:

I hated the formation, but it was nice to see two up top and I thought Kane and Bergwijn looked good together. Kane was always looking for him, it was almost like Berg earned Harry's respect on Thursday. Long may this continue.

Overall, Kane was excellent. Really classy. Let's be clear, we are nothing without him.

Good to have Dier back and he was good in the circumstances. Same for Sanchez, although I see I may be in a minority on this one. Hugo usual quality. Like Kane, we'd be sunk without him.

The bad:

Disappointed with Sess, Davies, Winks and Hojbjerg. Winks gets a pass from me, but the others not. Also, you can't have a player you have to sub every match in case he gets sent off and, in any case, Tanganga was pretty bad. Put those two factors together and it's called a liability for the manager. He shouldn't play. It was also one of those games when Moura comes on to change the game and is completely ineffective - these happen whenever we think finally he's become the quality player he should be. We needed him today.

The ugly:

Doherty.

 

[WeGotLedley]

Also thought sanchez did well. Though not much competition. Didn't get the formation either, play regs, and midfield 3,kane and bergs up top. Not sure would have changed the result though. Not our day. Hate the chavs.

 

[SpursSince1980]

I was surprised by the formation and performance. I can only surmise that Skippy, Reggy and Lucas all had little knocks. As we played so well against the Foxes. Controlled the midfield battle from start to finish with that 352. But instead, we go 442. With Doherty and Sess as wingers. Both of which were below par.

Then there was the overall attitude of the team. I would've thought they felt there was a scalp there for the taking. But instead they looked a bit lack-luster. Almost defeatist in terms of application. Very odd.

I'm sorry, but I don't feel that Chelsea are miles ahead of us. Yes, they have more depth. But I don't feel losing three times in one month to them, is a damning assessment of where we are compared to them. As I feel they are beatable. And for a combination of reasons, we just haven't played a single game against them this season, where I felt we were 100% in terms of squad selection and commitment on the pitch. We can do better with these players. We've seen it. (we can also do worse!!)

Lloris had no chance with the first goal or second. Japhet needs a break. Nice seeing Dier back. Sanchez handled Lukaku quite well I thought. A poor game from Davies. Sess and Doc were both bad. PEH and Winks were overwhelmed in midfield. Harry tried. Stevie B did okay. But neither really had anything resembling service.

 

[ultimateloner]

I'm surprised with the negativity shown in the ratings so far. Considering that only max 4 of our players would even make their match-day squad, so most of our players wont even make their bench, a 2-0 loss is an expected result.

The performance wasn't all bad either. Kane had a good game, which made sense given he is our only outfield player with the quality to consistently play against an opposition of this level.
Bergwin was good in the 1st half when he was allowed to run at them.
Sanchez was defensively solid; didn't feel like Lukaku was getting the better of him.
Winks made 1 mistake but overall was ok. I think he even had one nice dummy past a presser which I dont normally see. He also had 1 shot on target after beating a man; again, not a common sight.

Now onto the bad:
Tanganga was out of his depth against Hudson-Odoi. I dont hold this against him; the effort is there, the quality isn't. What can you do?
Doherty also tried but the quality on the ball wasn't good enough for this level.
Lucas didn't make enough of an impact and was on the fringes; I was hoping he could have been more involved as he has the quality to affect a game like this.

Overall I feel that we had a good first half but in the second half their quality shone through and was controlling the game.

 

[whitesocks]

bergwijn motm

formation was odd again with inverted CBs and so many defenders. Dont know what that's about.
What worked well against leicester, having 2 wingers, was dropped, so we had no threat.

Bergwijn ran around a lot and there was the hope lightening would strike again. but it didn't.

 

[paddieu]

My mate supports Brighton so I've spent quite a lot of time following their escapades, and was especially interested in how they approached Chelsea, and outplayed them at the Bridge etc. In turn he's watched some of the Spurs games, and we've discussed the different approaches.

People here mention the quality of our squad as an issue, but to be honest the Brighton players as individuals aren't all that great [other than Bissouma and Lamptey]
So there's a bigger issue at play here, and it has to do partly with how we approach games. Brighton look to get on the front foot, and were not daunted by Chelsea. We have bottled all 4 games with low blocks and whatever, despite the evidence of Leicester first half etc.

So some of this has to be on Conte (as well as the kudos to Potter for getting average players to be comfortable on the ball, and passing bravely in midfield triangles etc.)

 

[yusrisafri]

Conte gets the pass for what he's seemingly done since he came.

However, if Nuno sent this lineup out, he wouldve been caught and tortured by the fans.

For Conte, its "we just dont have the players"

But for Nuno, it's "the most negative manager ever"

Same approach, different perceptions from fans.

Ok. Ive got my bulletproof vest on now. Bring it on.

 

[kremlyn]

Chelsea are an Elite side. I thought we did as well as we could for as long as we could.

That back 3 is sensational.

We tried to hit them on the counter but they broke us. Everyone put in a shift, no point in blaming anyone.

9 for effort and belief
6 for talent to compete at this level

 

[DannyNZ]

Hard to fault Conte, but three games against Chelsea and we have been poor in all three and our tactical approach has been a big part of each. We made Chelsea look quality, but they have been dropping points regularly lately against weaker opposition. hard to see what the thinking of having Tanganga and Doherty starting in the formation, two players Who have regularly poor and it showed. So low marks to Conte on this one.

Kane and SB put in good shifts trying to make something out of nothing. Midfield pairing of Winks and PEH too Immobile and both poor in possession.

Doherty just got worse the longer the game went on and sadly Tanganga just isn’t good enough and it showed. Davies just so poor in possession and exposed at LB.

Dier got away with losing Lukaka couple of times but otherwise solid. Davinson lots of effort but no quality on ball and panic clearances don’t help.

Skipp added bit of energy and bite into midfield when he came on, Moura pretty ineffective.

Poor tactics backed up by equally poor performance. Assume GLC and Dele in shop window but no excuses for starting Tanganga and Doherty

 

[DCSPUR64]

Went with Bergwijn, looked like he could make something out of nothing and his hold up play was decent.

 

[Serpico]

No names....Passes went astray too oftern. Players didnt want the ball. Most were not brave enough. Some panic under presdure and some just couldnt match Chelseas movement. Kanes goal was good for me. The formation was irrelevant. The ref/linos weren't great.

And I hate Mount, what the F*** does he do.

 

[parj]

My mate supports Brighton so I've spent quite a lot of time following their escapades, and was especially interested in how they approached Chelsea, and outplayed them at the Bridge etc. In turn he's watched some of the Spurs games, and we've discussed the different approaches.

People here mention the quality of our squad as an issue, but to be honest the Brighton players as individuals aren't all that great [other than Bissouma and Lamptey]
So there's a bigger issue at play here, and it has to do partly with how we approach games. Brighton look to get on the front foot, and were not daunted by Chelsea. We have bottled all 4 games with low blocks and whatever, despite the evidence of Leicester first half etc.

So some of this has to be on Conte (as well as the kudos to Potter for getting average players to be comfortable on the ball, and passing bravely in midfield triangles etc.)

This here is what frustrates me with our last Jose, Nuno and Conte, they give up before we kick a ball. If a team keeps the ball and attacks, full backs and CDMs are more cautious. It balances the game out more. This is what Poch did really well in his first 3 years. It's what Potter does really well today with a pretty shit squad.

Sometimes you have to back the players you have because footballers became footballers as they like playing football.

 

[Nerine]

Game was ruined by the (IMO wrongly) disallowed goal.

 

[peispurs]

Game was ruined by the (IMO wrongly) disallowed goal.

Terrible call, if that's Lukaku, they allow it. The premier league so biased against us. I did like Conte's response....."to disallow this goal in England is incredible".

 

[peispurs]

Lloris - 6, not at fault for the goals, would have liked to see him at least jump for Ziyech's shot
Tanganga - 4 - 8 for effort, 3 for application
Dier - 6, A fighter, hooray, our only one
Davies - 5, A classic Davies performance, we're so lucky to have him as an injury/back up/squad player.... what? he's our starter?
Sanches - 5 worked hard, if I'm Sanches I'm blocking off that cheat Thiago
Sessegnon - 5 could have made a better presence, but tried
Doherty - 4 if I was Doherty I would at least smash into people
Winks - 5 if only he was just a bit better, tries so very hard
Hojberg - 6, broke up a lot of their play, tried hard
Bergwijn - 7, there is talent there, and gave them trouble, he should have kept dribbling at that cheat Thiago and forced him into a second yellow
Kane - 8, without him, the above team save Lloris is Newcastle or Burnley quality.
Congratulations Daniel Levy, somehow you have managed to make yourself the highest paid chairman in the league and have the highest tickets in the land, while providing mid to lower table quality players to a series of never ending manager appointments. I know thats a win for you.

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

My mate supports Brighton so I've spent quite a lot of time following their escapades, and was especially interested in how they approached Chelsea, and outplayed them at the Bridge etc. In turn he's watched some of the Spurs games, and we've discussed the different approaches.

People here mention the quality of our squad as an issue, but to be honest the Brighton players as individuals aren't all that great [other than Bissouma and Lamptey]
So there's a bigger issue at play here, and it has to do partly with how we approach games. Brighton look to get on the front foot, and were not daunted by Chelsea. We have bottled all 4 games with low blocks and whatever, despite the evidence of Leicester first half etc.

So some of this has to be on Conte (as well as the kudos to Potter for getting average players to be comfortable on the ball, and passing bravely in midfield triangles etc.)

Brighton players can trap a ball and make simple foward passes. They can also twist and turn with the ball.

These are simple fundamentals that our players simply do not posses.

 

[Hotspur_Hero]

Conte gets the pass for what he's seemingly done since he came.

However, if Nuno sent this lineup out, he wouldve been caught and tortured by the fans.

For Conte, its "we just dont have the players"

But for Nuno, it's "the most negative manager ever"

Same approach, different perceptions from fans.

Ok. Ive got my bulletproof vest on now. Bring it on.

I mean I think the lineup today was done primarily out of necessity rather than design. Seemed pretty clear Lucas, Reggie, Emerson, and Skipp weren't fit enough to start. Dele, GLC, and Ndombele are out in the cold permanently now. So the only senior players fit enough to start were the 11 on the pitch, Joe Rodon, and Bryan Gil. He clearly doesn't trust Rodon and he probably thinks Gil isn't ready for a game like this. I'm not sure if any of us could have come up with a better formation than he did today. I'm sure he would have loved to name the same line up as last game (+ Dier and maybe Bergwijn), but that wasn't possible.

 

[Mr Pink]

Sanchez handled Lukaku really well, was impressed.

 

[PLTuck]

Death, taxes and getting nothing from Stamford Bridge.

We were not awful, shit, pub league or any of the other bollocks spouted in the match thread. We had a perfectly good goal chalked off, got hit by a worldie, and conceeded a 2nd from a player whose delivery we can only dream about. We had a plan and it was working. The crowd were getting frustrated, Lukaku was barely in the game, and we were disrupting their play.

We got beat by a better, far more expensive chequebook team. Already over it. Kane our MotM