Jose Mourinho

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Can't see us winning a game again this season. The whole club just feels so rotten.

It's a tough season but really how much if that is down to Mourinho?

Record signing Ndombele hasn't settled, £30m Sessegnon hampered all season with injuries, Lo Celso long injury when he joined and just coming good in the last month or two, Lloris, Davies, Kane, Sissoko, Son out long term, Lamela still not over his stop/ start time with us, Vertonghen legs have gone, Foyth not good enough for what we need, Eriksen half arsed until he fucked off. It's like taking a car, removing the engine, wheels, seats and gearstick and then blaming the guy sitting in it for not getting it involved in a rally.

We have a team built on scraps at the moment, I honestly don't see how we can see it any other way apart from it being tough luck. 12 players listed above who have had turbulent seasons in one way or another in a squad of 24-25. Our club has taken an absolute battering we just need to get on with it and face the reality that it will clearly lessen the quality we can deliver game by game.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Honeymoon well and truly over.

Absolutely pathetic result tonight. Pathetic

Now it’s up to him to fucking win us over imo. No more benefit of the doubt shit. Duck half that team off

The honeymoon period was over the moment Sonny got ruled out. Our season was going to strutter from that moment on anyone who didn't see that is frankly a moron.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Our attacking options:

Dele, Bergwijn, Lucas, Son, Lamela, Sessegnon, Kane.

4 of the 7 injured most of the time over the past 1-2 months, meaning not only do we lose their quality but we lose the freshness in the ones that can play. It's a double whammy can people really struggle to see why this run of form continues to occur?

Stop pointing fingers at Jose, grow up and support your team.

 

[Jay.]

It's a tough season but really how much if that is down to Mourinho?

Record signing Ndombele hasn't settled, £30m Sessegnon hampered all season with injuries, Lo Celso long injury when he joined and just coming good in the last month or two, Lloris, Davies, Kane, Sissoko, Son out long term, Lamela still not over his stop/ start time with us, Vertonghen legs have gone, Foyth not good enough for what we need, Eriksen half arsed until he fucked off. It's like taking a car, removing the engine, wheels, seats and gearstick and then blaming the guy sitting in it for not getting it involved in a rally.

We have a team built on scraps at the moment, I honestly don't see how we can see it any other way apart from it being tough luck. 12 players listed above who have had turbulent seasons in one way or another in a squad of 24-25. Our club has taken an absolute battering we just need to get on with it and face the reality that it will clearly lessen the quality we can deliver game by game.

Totally agree with this. It’s been a shocker. I don’t think we’ve had a consistent and settled team at all, I’ve no idea of what the starting 11 should be or the formation. Some degree of consistency in terms of selection and formation is very important. I don’t even think Mourinho knows what he wants. The goalkeeper situation needs some urgent attention though, not looking to clever there right now.

 

[Danny1]

did you give Poch that credit when calling him out for our poor run with knackered and out of date players and playing 2 times aweek

I did for a long time. Only towards the very end when it was evident he had lost the dressing room and certain very big name players (intimated as Kane) were going to leave, as detailed by our resident ITKs.

Also, for all the people who say we should have backed Poch and are now slating Mourinho, they are all hypocrites. Surely people must realise by now it’s the players and not the managers, not Poch and not Mourinho.

Can you imagine if we had 3 managers in a season, we would be the ultimate laughing stock of the Premier League, the epitome of modern day knee jerk and instant gratification.

The thing is, all this is ultimately pointless anyway as Levy will not be removing Mou until atleast this time next year, so all I’m seeing is everyone getting really angry and stuff about something that they can’t change.

Our fans have become incredibly entitled over the last few years and are expecting success when we haven’t had any for years and years, just look at tonight for example, a “supporter” abusing one of our players family. What the f*ck is that all about, we should be ashamed of so called fans like that. It appears that a large section of our fan base have changed over the years and I for one am beginning to dislike our supporters, which is a real shame.

 

[panoma]

United fans having a right old laugh about how quick Jose has done to us what he did to them.

Fortunately we haven't given him a quarter billion pounds tho

Good times

So far he has taken us up the league. Let's give the man some time and a proper pre season at the very least before we mock him.

The amount of shit he get is baffling considering how little time he's been here.

 

[Danny1]

It's a tough season but really how much if that is down to Mourinho?

Record signing Ndombele hasn't settled, £30m Sessegnon hampered all season with injuries, Lo Celso long injury when he joined and just coming good in the last month or two, Lloris, Davies, Kane, Sissoko, Son out long term, Lamela still not over his stop/ start time with us, Vertonghen legs have gone, Foyth not good enough for what we need, Eriksen half arsed until he fucked off. It's like taking a car, removing the engine, wheels, seats and gearstick and then blaming the guy sitting in it for not getting it involved in a rally.

We have a team built on scraps at the moment, I honestly don't see how we can see it any other way apart from it being tough luck. 12 players listed above who have had turbulent seasons in one way or another in a squad of 24-25. Our club has taken an absolute battering we just need to get on with it and face the reality that it will clearly lessen the quality we can deliver game by game.

This exactly. Why people can’t see this is beyond me (perhaps it’s their anti-Mourinho bias). The squad is broken, playing 2 games a week with unfit, over age players with our best players injured.

 

[LeParisien]

Our attacking options:

Dele, Bergwijn, Lucas, Son, Lamela, Sessegnon, Kane.

4 of the 7 injured most of the time over the past 1-2 months, meaning not only do we lose their quality but we lose the freshness in the ones that can play. It's a double whammy can people really struggle to see why this run of form continues to occur?

Stop pointing fingers at Jose, grow up and support your team.

You’re a great poster - one of the best.

I disagree.

I was one of the most vocal critics of Mourinho before he was appointed.I got into long discussions with people about why he would be a bad choice for our club. I’m sure I could dig out the threads. But the gist was this.

Criticisms
1) He does not give young players a chance. Our squad had a lot of young talented players that need to be given a chance.
2) He plays boring football which is not the Spurs way.
3) He is past it. The last time he overachieved was winning the CL with inter in 2010. Since then he has hit par or more recently underachieved.
4) Another facet of this is his magical man management skills seem to have deserted him. Pogba and Shaw were prominent examples at Man Utd.
5) He makes poor decisions in the transfer market and wasted huge amounts of money on bad players. He won’t have masses to spend at Spurs.
6) He leaves clubs in disarray after no more than 3 years.

There were a few light objections to these points but nothing substantial. People cited playing great football with record goals totals at Real Madrid. i think his record there was about par for the course. A little better in the league; a little worse in the CL.

The arguments for him were
1) Hes a winner who can push us to another level and is as close to a guarantee of trophies as we will find.
2) Hes not poch.

To which I replied his trophy winning days are largely behind him. His record at Man Utd was not amazing given his huge resources and in fact he was very wasteful in deploying those resources. And the problem is likely with the squad and not with the manager.

I want to stress that these points were ALL MADE BEFORE HIS APPOINTMENT.

So how are we doing?

So far the evidence is consistent with the criticisms apart from the transfer market where he did well in January. There has been precious little sign of his major plus point - the ability to instill a winning mentality and get us trophies.

I said after his appointment that I would get behind him and the team. That’s still true. But it should not be a surprise that, after last night,that there is discontent. I said that a domestic cup is the most Mourinho would ever be likely to win us. The rest is beyond him. Many said that would be great because winning anything would be worth the crap football. And last night, at home to the bottom placed team in the league, we were knocked out in a poor display.

I am as BSoDL as they come but all my fears are coming true about this poor appointment. The season is a write off now and I’m prepared to give Mourinho the summer to run things around. Shit will get real in October if we’re not banging because results are all Mourinho has. He won’t build anything.

 

[allatsea]

Mourinho is the wrong man for the job. I would have sacked him. 15 million a year for what? Poch worked miracles to get us to a Champions League final. Levy, Enic and Mourinho out

Who is going to pay what ENIC will want for the club ? No one is the answer so we are stuck with them and any Manager they decide to appoint.

I realise this is a novel idea but how about stop moaning and get on with supporting the club, the players and the manager and his coaches ? Supporting a team for a true fan means supporting them even when the going gets tough and the results are disappointing. All we get from you is constant moaning.

 

[CowInAComa]

This exactly. Why people can’t see this is beyond me (perhaps it’s their anti-Mourinho bias). The squad is broken, playing 2 games a week with unfit, over age players with our best players injured.

Who are these over age players you talk of?

 

[Wsussexspur]

People need to stop with all idea that a manager will come in and do a Fergie/Wenger...it just doesn't happen anymore, I might be wrong but 3 years is probably about average for any PL manager to be in a job.
And this stuff about leaving clubs in a mess is pretty daft as well...any examples?

May I present Manchester Utd! Yes like us the owners have to take some if not a lot of the blame it not working but some of Jose’s signings were purely awful as was his man managent of some of the players (Luke shaw).

 

[Typical Spurs]

I think I'm pretty balanced and not a knee-jerker. I thought it was right that Poch went as I was totally fed up his sulky pressers and our terrible form. I wanted José because in my eyes he was a winner.

Now, I'm not knee-jerking and saying that appointing José was wrong, but.....it feels like it's turning a bit toxic to me. The football has been shocking. I was a big advocate of getting results and the way we played was secondary. However, when we don't win under José's style it really compounds how shit we are.

The problem is, we were massively regressing under Poch and the football had turned really boring under him.

I dunno....it just feels like we really are at a crossroads at the moment. We're a bit rotten from within. You can see us imploding. Harry will leave at the end of next season at the latest. Dier is brawling in the crowd. Alli is shit and looks miserable every week. We've got no striker. Fuck me, its a proper shambles.

 

[stevenurse]

Im as disappointed in the football we're playing as much as the next fan, but I'm also a realist and willing to give Jose a pass until at least this time next year.

Im sure I read a stat after he joined that we had won the most turnovers in the opposition third (or something like that, I'll try and find the article).

You simply cant expect 90 mins of pressing when you only have Dele, Bergwijn and Lucas available, and maybe lamela for 20 minutes.

Thats where I can see why he plays a much more energy conserving style.

 

[Danny1]

Who are these over age players you talk of?

Vertonghen, Rose, Wanyama, Alderweireld, Vorm, adding to the injuries to Kane, Son, Lloris, Davies, Lamela and losing Eriksen.

Mate are you really gonna sit there and ignore the other posts and make out like we have some top squad? I know you have been going through my posts and disliking them all but open your eyes just a little bit and try and see through that anti-Mourinho haze.

Poch couldn’t get a tune out of these players, and now neither can Mourinho. Why are the players blameless?

 

[mill]

Vertonghen, Rose, Wanyama, Alderweireld, Vorm, adding to the injuries to Kane, Son, Lloris, Davies, Lamela and losing Eriksen.

Mate are you really gonna sit there and ignore the other posts and make out like we have some top squad? I know you have been going through my posts and disliking them all but open your eyes just a little bit and try and see through that anti-Mourinho haze.

Poch couldn’t get a tune out of these players, and now neither can Mourinho. Why are the players blameless?

So just 3 players over 30 and 2 no longer at the club?

 

[Danny1]

Im as disappointed in the football we're playing as much as the next fan, but I'm also a realist and willing to give Jose a pass until at least this time next year.

Im sure I read a stat after he joined that we had won the most turnovers in the opposition third (or something like that, I'll try and find the article).

You simply cant expect 90 mins of pressing when you only have Dele, Bergwijn and Lucas available, and maybe lamela for 20 minutes.

Thats where I can see why he plays a much more energy conserving style.

Agree totally, but unfortunately sensible posts on here are shot down quickly. Apparently Mourinho is the devil and is the worst manager to have ever been in charge of Spurs despite:

- being here 3 months.
- losing Kane, Son, Lloris, Davies, Lamela, Sessegnon, Foyth all to long term injuries.
- a defence that is struggling with an ageing Vertonghen and Toby and Rose going off form. The mainstays of our team over the last 5 years, and then having Gazza behind them who is just an ok number 2.
- having one winter transfer window only.
- having Alli and Lucas as our only striker options with both players incapable of controlling a ball.

I’m not saying that Mourinho is a genius etc etc but he does deserve the time, just like Pochettino deserved it when he joined us.

 

[Danny1]

So just 3 players over 30 and 2 no longer at the club?

Yep, plus the injuries which both of you fail to mention. Some advice, when replying to a post, reply to the contents of that post, the full contents. Makes “discussion” on a forum a bit easier.

 

[Danny1]

Last thing from me, so if we were to sack Mourinho who would we bring in? I’ve seen Howe, Huffenthal mentioned which is absolutely embarrassing from the people who stated that.

What miracle worker is currently available out there who can change us right now?

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

Looking at those fixtures, I think it's quite likely we will not win another game this season.

 

[Shadydan]

He will lead us to GLORY