Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[E17yid]

Yeah completely agree that you need the right person, it’s not all about time. And no one knows for sure whether Ange is the right person. But we’ll never know unless we give him a proper shot at it.

So I’m prepared to trust him for now because what’s the alternative? We continue to hire and sack managers with the hope we hit upon the “right” one eventually?

I don’t want to sound too much like A&C but a lot will depend on Levy this summer.

Ange has my faith as all I was asking for this year was some signs of the type of football team we’re going to be moving forward and he more than achieved that in the first 10 games. I guess ideally you’d rather see a steady progression over the course of the season but either way there’s enough signs he’s a good coach who can get us to where we want to be (with the right backing)

But I don’t agree with the chat that it’s some kind of given that as long as Ange is given 4 years or so we’ll be competing at the top especially when his career has been built around turning squads around pretty quickly.

I wouldn’t even neccisarily want him gone if we don’t achieve top 4 next season but, again, i want to see improvement from this year, which I think he will but this is spurs we’re talking about so I wont be shocked if we’re worse to be honest.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

It's really disheartening.

We will never get to where we want to be unless we are prepared to sit through a bit of pain and let the coach address all aspects.

That isn't a quick fix, it's over a period of 2-3 years.

I hope Ange is at the helm barring a complete disaster because that's the only way we sort all our ills out.

agree.

Although there really aren’t many spurs fans at all that I’ve seen who are losing faith in Ange, perhaps like 5% max. At the end of the day it’s a forum and people come on here to vent and it’s easier and more natural to critique things, especially when results are dropping off a bit, heck last season man.city were 0-1 down at HT in a league game under Pep and got booed off for christs sake lol.

Football fans will always bitch and moan. For the most part the vast majority of our fans seem to be willing to give Ange the time he needs but are just calling out a few obvious consistent areas for improvement they’d like to see.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

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He's right, I'm not satisfied with this answer alright. Set pieces are very different to attacking / defending patterns etc this is much simpler and isn't part of a wider tactical approach. This sort of argument from him won't help bring people along

Honestly it is a strange seemingly stubborn answer from Ange but I can only think he’s just playing the media a bit here and/or what he means is if we spend all our hours just on fixing set pieces right now that won’t ‘solve all our problems’ hence his medicine/illness analogy.

What I think he means without saying it directly is that there are many factors which we need to improve e.g.
-Improve the quality of the players in the squad
-Improve our overall tactical play
-Improve our concentration and mindset
-Improve our game management

etc etc, Ange sees it as being more nuanced and multi-factored and wholistic than just as simple as ‘fix the set pieces’ and that’s his view on how to be successful is more an overall approach and then the set pieces will
Take care of themselves as part of that.

I can see why some are confused/frustrated by his comments on this though.

 

[Albertbarich]

Honestly it is a strange seemingly stubborn answer from Ange but I can only think he’s just playing the media a bit here and/or what he means is if we spend all our hours just on fixing set pieces right now that won’t ‘solve all our problems’ hence his medicine/illness analogy.

What I think he means without saying it directly is that there are many factors which we need to improve e.g.
-Improve the quality of the players in the squad
-Improve our overall tactical play
-Improve our concentration and mindset
-Improve our game management

etc etc, Ange sees it as being more nuanced and multi-factored and wholistic than just as simple as ‘fix the set pieces’ and that’s his view on how to be successful is more an overall approach and then the set pieces will
Take care of themselves as part of that.

I can see why some are confused/frustrated by his comments on this though.

Id always try and take into account that what he says publicly isn't what he maybe saying privately.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I am noticing a hardening towards Ange across many social media platforms since the weekend and I agree it is so disheartening and short term thinking.

The same social media who ran ‘saynotoange’ campaigns when we were linked

F social media.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Id always try and take into account that what he says publicly isn't what he maybe saying privately.

Totally agree mate, he’s a clever wise old sausage, he won’t be being totally honest in the media and will have reasons for what he is saying.

I remember 8-10 games in the media were loving him and there was all the “I’m loving Big Ange instead” and Ange said “yea but I know what you guys are like, you won’t love me like this forever so I’m keeping level headed about it all as I know how it goes”.

He knows exactly what he’s doing and saying imo.

 

[McFlash]

Totally agree mate, he’s a clever wise old sausage, he won’t be being totally honest in the media and will have reasons for what he is saying.

I remember 8-10 games in the media were loving him and there was all the “I’m loving Big Ange instead” and Ange said “yea but I know what you guys are like, you won’t love me like this forever so I’m keeping level headed about it all as I know how it goes”.

He knows exactly what he’s doing and saying imo.

Yeah, he's been in the game long enough and watched the Premier League long enough to know how it works.
He's not as naive as some like to think.

 

[thebenjamin]

Yeah, he's been in the game long enough and watched the Premier League long enough to know how it works.
He's not as naive as some like to think.

Agree. just watched his press conference. My faith hasn't wavered whatsoever.

 

[Dakes]

I totally tuned out at a stage last season under Conte cause the football became absolutely dreadful and painful to sit through. I am totally prepared for Ange to get 3 years to get this thing working no matter what. If it gets too painful/scary/discouraging along the way for some of us, then we gotta tune out for the greater good, rather than calling for his head and remaining in this loop of manager changes.

I want to see us win something within the next 5 years. It will take time for someone to get us there. Let it be Ange.

 

[HildoSpur]

I think we need to accept that we in the early stages of a process with Ange. I sincerely hope he is given enough time and support to fully implement what he is trying to achieve here. He said himself at the start that there will be challenges and up's and down's for the first period and sure enough that's exactly what has happened but I have seen enough to want to see him given the best possible opportunity to make his tenure a successful one with us and I hope other supporters feel the same.

 

[Yantino]

This has probably been asked a million times before, so I apologise in advance. Does Ange have previous history of changing formations in the 2nd/3rd seasons at the club he's been at? or does he stick?

 

[rossdapep]

I am noticing a hardening towards Ange across many social media platforms since the weekend and I agree it is so disheartening and short term thinking.

Yep.

One aggregator or Tottenham news account was going in on him and I noted a lot of people joining in.

It's so hard for me to understand how they can't be so realistic ans see what it takes to be succesful

 

[Cavehillspur]

The Vicario treatment has been a foul in every big league over the past 10 years or so, I have no idea why or when they changed in the PL, if they even did at all.

Webb saying that they have made a higher bar for fouls in penalty area which is hilarious as they still pick and choose and give weak ones yet actually bodying a GK with firm contact isn't??

I'm totally done with it. Sick to death of the incompetence.
PL best league in world? Yeah right

I say it every week....worst officials in Europe.

 

[thebenjamin]

This has probably been asked a million times before, so I apologise in advance. Does Ange have previous history of changing formations in the 2nd/3rd seasons at the club he's been at? or does he stick?

I'm not sure about that but I think he's had a different formation at every club

 

[rossdapep]

By the way, can someone answer this question...

On the top of my head, Chelsea are the only club who have had 'instant success' over the last 20 years (probably more) with a change of coach from top of my head.

Is that right?

And that's surely because Abramovich would just throw his own money at any situation and would not accept any failure or steady progress- totally unrealistic for every other club than Chelsea.

Arteta
Klopp
Pep
Mancini

None of these winners had instant success, they had to build and go through hardship.

 

[Metalhead]

I don’t want to sound too much like A&C but a lot will depend on Levy this summer.

Ange has my faith as all I was asking for this year was some signs of the type of football team we’re going to be moving forward and he more than achieved that in the first 10 games. I guess ideally you’d rather see a steady progression over the course of the season but either way there’s enough signs he’s a good coach who can get us to where we want to be (with the right backing)

But I don’t agree with the chat that it’s some kind of given that as long as Ange is given 4 years or so we’ll be competing at the top especially when his career has been built around turning squads around pretty quickly.

I wouldn’t even necessarily want him gone if we don’t achieve top 4 next season but, again, i want to see improvement from this year, which I think he will but this is spurs we’re talking about so I wont be shocked if we’re worse to be honest.

Very reasonable!

 

[newbie]

The size of the players has been far less relevant, than the movement of the opposition as far as the goals we have conceded imo. It's too easy to create overloads by just stacking in one area. The Arsenal goals were a great example of that at the weekend. They start off stacking on the back post then had multiple players run unchecked to the near post where they then had a numbers advantage whilst we were just static in our uniform positions. All it takes is a decent ball into that area and it's likely to create problems. We changed it second half so that we had less players marking zonally and had players to go with the runners which worked, but it was too late by then.

i agree, the first goal should never have been and the third no one moved We need to be more dominant

I think Anges system it’s key the team are Aggressive and fight for everything, when we are -assume we fall apart.

I still think we need more physicality though

when we added physicality and got in there faces more we looked a lot better

we also look scared of the opposition box, till BJ and Richy came on, the subs looked like they had a point to prove.

 

[felmani26]

By the way, can someone answer this question...

On the top of my head, Chelsea are the only club who have had 'instant success' over the last 20 years (probably more) with a change of coach from top of my head.

Is that right?

And that's surely because Abramovich would just throw his own money at any situation and would not accept any failure or steady progress- totally unrealistic for every other club than Chelsea.

Arteta
Klopp
Pep
Mancini

None of these winners had instant success, they had to build and go through hardship.

It's how you quantify 'success' and the context of the situation/club - ten Hag won the Carabao in his first season and been in 3 Cup finals but you'd naive to think he's progressed Man Utd further towards the ultimate ambitions of competing for domestic league titles and Champions League.

 

[dontcallme]

I want Ange out. We wanted our Tottenham back.

Sacking the manager at the first sign of a down period seems like a Tottenham thing to do.

 

[rossdapep]

It's how you quantify 'success' and the context of the situation/club - ten Hag won the Carabao in his first season and been in 3 Cup finals but you'd naive to think he's progressed Man Utd further towards the ultimate ambitions of competing for domestic league titles and Champions League.

That's true.

He hasn't.

I think there has to be a balance and I should probably state that.

Have we improved? Yes, we have.

Do we have a core of players, ready to fight for the coach? Yes we do.

Do we have the squad where it needs to be? No

Have we lost key players and trying to replace them? Yes

Have we a defined way of playing and seeing signs of it coming to fruition? Yes

United don't have a lot of that so fans would be right for wanting a change.

We do. That's why a few poor aspects aren't going to put me off and the board off Ange.

Nor should they.