Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[rossdapep]

Sorry to pick your post but it's the most recent one of a few (too many IMO) saying this.

Willing to give him longer? TBH we haven't scratched the surface yet of how long we should be giving to start with.

Moving away from that...............I think there's been a loss of perspective amongst some people, I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as some people are suggesting

It's really disheartening.

We will never get to where we want to be unless we are prepared to sit through a bit of pain and let the coach address all aspects.

That isn't a quick fix, it's over a period of 2-3 years.

I hope Ange is at the helm barring a complete disaster because that's the only way we sort all our ills out.

 

[E17yid]

I know we've only 5 games left but 3 season ending injuries in a week is fucking annoying.

True but only 1 that really matters. Davies will be off in the summer and Its not guaranteed that Werner will be. here next season either.

 

[PLTuck]

True but only 1 that really matters. Davies will be off in the summer and Its not guaranteed that Werner will be. here next season either.

They matter for the next 5 games.

 

[sidford]

He's right, I'm not satisfied with this answer alright. Set pieces are very different to attacking / defending patterns etc this is much simpler and isn't part of a wider tactical approach. This sort of argument from him won't help bring people along

 

[Styopa]

I think we have a lack of experience at the back (exc Romero) and the experience we do have tends to be lacking in ability for the system (e,g Davies and Emerson).

Hopefully Ange and the team will return next season stronger from the experience they have gained in the league this season. But it’s still worth underlining that:

1) Vicario, Udogie and van de Ven had never played in England before, let alone the PL.
2) Sarr and Porro had less than six months PL experience before the beginning of this season
3) Excluding Vicario, the mean average of the above players at the start of the season = 21. If we include Vic it was 22.
4) None of Vicario/Udogie/van de Ven/Porro or Sarr were here or playing regularly last year.
5) So… this season we have integrated 5 new players (plus others like Johnson), with a mean average of about 22, the majority of whom have never played in England before…. And we’re probably going to finish 5th.

Just that in itself, besides losing Kane the weekend started, besides the injuries, besides the African Nations Cup, besides the issues with set pieces and our defending. Just the above should be enough to remind us to keep things in perspective.

 

[E17yid]

They matter for the next 5 games.

Meh, season is over for me. I only care about Arsenal not winning the league.

 

[mil1lion]

Might be a good time to try 3 at the back with Dragusin starting. He can say there's no issue at set pieces but if we have Dragusin and Richarlison defending them it will help.

 

[spursgirls]

You don't get much bigger than Dragusin

Except for VDV. Dragusin is 1.91 m VDV 1.93m

 

[mil1lion]

The Vicario treatment has been a foul in every big league over the past 10 years or so, I have no idea why or when they changed in the PL, if they even did at all.

Webb saying that they have made a higher bar for fouls in penalty area which is hilarious as they still pick and choose and give weak ones yet actually bodying a GK with firm contact isn't??

I'm totally done with it. Sick to death of the incompetence.
PL best league in world? Yeah right

I've said for some time that the premier league should be getting the best officials in the world over here.

 

[mil1lion]

Except for VDV. Dragusin is 1.91 m VDV 1.93m

I meant in the shower

 

[Styopa]

We will never get to where we want to be unless we are prepared to sit through a bit of pain and let the coach address all aspects

Completely agree. I think the season we beat Arsenal to fourth is representative of this.

We “schooled” Arteta. We were all laughing about them, how we had overtaken them even though we started the season with Nuno, laughing about how they fell apart at the Lane, laughing about Arteta’s team talks in the Amazon doc etc.

They took that pain and the following season were much stronger, and this season are even stronger.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

You have to worry about the mentality of some journalists, on the conceding from corners issue.
Question 8.35 into interview : "Is that something you are looking to address in the summer transfer window" . Ange should have said yes we are looking to sign a kangaroo.

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[philll]

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He's right, I'm not satisfied with this answer alright. Set pieces are very different to attacking / defending patterns etc this is much simpler and isn't part of a wider tactical approach. This sort of argument from him won't help bring people along

Agree. He keeps trying to convince everyone that set pieces are part and parcel of a philosophy but they can and arguably should be treated as totally separate parts of the game. If that means breaking them away from your overall philosophy and coaching them separately (with actual dedicated coaches) then do it. If you're not good at set pieces at this level, you will fail, it's that simple. I just don't see the motivation to stick to his guns on this (other than pride/stubbornness), it's such an obviously wrong hill to die on.

 

[E17yid]

Completely agree. I think the season we beat Arsenal to fourth is representative of this.

We “schooled” Arteta. We were all laughing about them, how we had overtaken them even though we started the season with Nuno, laughing about how they fell apart at the Lane, laughing about Arteta’s team talks in the Amazon doc etc.

They took that pain and the following season were much stronger, and this season are even stronger.

I’ve got to push back on this a bit. I’m obviously not Ange out or even close to that but this idea that time heals all is just complete bollocks. Yes, Arteta needed time to get Arsenal to where they were but there’s a hundred other factors going into that.

We could give Ange 10 years and he might never break into the top 4 or he might win us the league next season. Who knows. Obviously we can all agree time helps but having a manger who is the right fit who can identify the right players is more important.

All of this is even more true in Ange’s case as he’s not a long term manager type.

 

[Trix]

it’s annoying two season on the trot we have directed a ball going away from the goal in to the net

i actually think Ange is doing a great job, shame we didn’t get a draw.

I think we do need a physical monster for set pieces we lack the 6ft 4 plus player.

The size of the players has been far less relevant, than the movement of the opposition as far as the goals we have conceded imo. It's too easy to create overloads by just stacking in one area. The Arsenal goals were a great example of that at the weekend. They start off stacking on the back post then had multiple players run unchecked to the near post where they then had a numbers advantage whilst we were just static in our uniform positions. All it takes is a decent ball into that area and it's likely to create problems. We changed it second half so that we had less players marking zonally and had players to go with the runners which worked, but it was too late by then.

 

[FrankSpencer]

It's really disheartening.

We will never get to where we want to be unless we are prepared to sit through a bit of pain and let the coach address all aspects.

That isn't a quick fix, it's over a period of 2-3 years.

I hope Ange is at the helm barring a complete disaster because that's the only way we sort all our ills out.

Unfortunately, you’re pissing in the wind against the ‘instant gratification’ brigade.

 

[Styopa]

I’ve got to push back on this a bit. I’m obviously not Ange out or even close to that but this idea that time heals all is just complete bollocks. Yes, Arteta needed time to get Arsenal to where they were but there’s a hundred other factors going into that.

We could give Ange 10 years and he might never break into the top 4 or he might win us the league next season. Who knows. Obviously we can all agree time helps but having a manger who is the right fit who can identify the right players is more important.

All of this is even more true in Ange’s case as he’s not a long term manager type.

Yeah completely agree that you need the right person, it’s not all about time. And no one knows for sure whether Ange is the right person. But we’ll never know unless we give him a proper shot at it.

So I’m prepared to trust him for now because what’s the alternative? We continue to hire and sack managers with the hope we hit upon the “right” one eventually?

 

[Impspur1]

It's really disheartening.

We will never get to where we want to be unless we are prepared to sit through a bit of pain and let the coach address all aspects.

That isn't a quick fix, it's over a period of 2-3 years.

I hope Ange is at the helm barring a complete disaster because that's the only way we sort all our ills out.

I am noticing a hardening towards Ange across many social media platforms since the weekend and I agree it is so disheartening and short term thinking.

 

[easley91]

It's really disheartening.

We will never get to where we want to be unless we are prepared to sit through a bit of pain and let the coach address all aspects.

That isn't a quick fix, it's over a period of 2-3 years.

I hope Ange is at the helm barring a complete disaster because that's the only way we sort all our ills out.

I've been preaching patience for god knows how long. This isn't a video game and cannot be fixed in one day or one week. I don't think some people in this day and age have what it takes to patient (and that isn't just about football I think it's a societal problem with social media and instant gratification). They want it here and now. Would I love success and to win the league in year one? Damn right. But I understand with a new manager, style, young squad and a new ethos it's going to take a good few years to really settle into our groove. And we're not going to win every game. There were always going to be bumps and setbacks this season. I think continue on the path we are and I am positive about the future.

But I fear the reaction from the vocal minority should we lose tomorrow night.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Davies and Werner now out for the rest of the season by the sounds of it.

Tbh that’s no bad thing as long as Richy is fit.

I prefer Emerson at LB anyway to Davies and worst case let’s finally use a youth team player and/or put VDV LB and play Dragusin CB.

As for Werner, when he came in he was very helpful to plug a hole, then after that we actually imo played through him too much and he’s quite wasteful. I think our best front 3 by far is: Son(LW), Richy (ST) and Johnson (RW).

Wonder if Ange will play Maddison again or if he’ll move Kulu in there (deservedly) after this cameo there in the NLD.