Loans

[fedupyid]

Loans are one of the most irritating things because I think they are helping to keep the transfer market artificially high. I believe it is also hampering progression of a lot of young players because they leave their parent club and pick up bad habits at the club they are loaned to.

I believe that the rules around loaning players out need to change. My rule change would be you can only loan out 3 players with a full time contract while I would introduce a development contract with a low salary cap where you can loan out as many as you want of this type of contract.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I agree with the dislike of the whole Loan system.

It is leading to teams stockpiling young talent and acquiring players just to prevent them from going elsewhere.


I'd like to see all loans except those of players under 23 that you have developed through your own academy for at least the previous 3 years prior to loaning.

 

[hugrr]

The loan system's being exploited by the teams wise and brazen enough to exploit it to its fullest. We're guilty of doing it, but Chelsea have made it into an art form.

The system does need an overhaul, no loans within the league the parent club is playing in would make a lot of sense.

 

[beats1]

The loan system's being exploited by the teams wise and brazen enough to exploit it to its fullest. We're guilty of doing it, but Chelsea have made it into an art form.

The system does need an overhaul, no loans within the league the parent club is playing in would make a lot of sense.

Its weird, I said on here, a couple of years back we should buy players and loan them out as the means finding another revenue stream since we cant compete with the big boys. At the time we were loaning more players than chelsea and then they seemed to do what I said

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Its weird, I said on here, a couple of years back we should players and loan them out as the means finding another revenue stream since we cant compete with the big boys. At the time we were loaning more players than chelsea and then they seemed to do what I said

You seem to be missing a vital word ? I'm guessing buy ?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I agree with the dislike of the whole Loan system.

It is leading to teams stockpiling young talent and acquiring players just to prevent them from going elsewhere.


I'd like to see all loans except those of players under 23 that you have developed through your own academy for at least the previous 3 years prior to loaning.

Chelsea are the most irritating of the lot. As if they weren't ****y enough.

 

[beats1]

Chelsea are the most irritating of the lot. As if they weren't ****y enough.

If we did it, would we be shitty?

We tried but we never did it on the scale of Chelsea or with the quality of players

 

[THFCSPURS19]

If we did it, would we be shitty?

We tried but we never did it on the scale of Chelsea or with the quality of players

What Chelsea do is hoard many of the best youngsters in the game and just loan them out (usually to the same club). It's ridiculous and unfair on both the players and the other teams.

 

[beats1]

What Chelsea do is hoard many of the best youngsters in the game and just loan them out (usually to the same club). It's ridiculous and unfair on both the players and the other teams.

We do something similar and then when it doesnt work out, we ask for an insane price. Hence why those surplus to requirements are always moaning about levy asking for a ridiculous price and us having an overload squad

You could say that Chelsea are good at it and we are not.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

We do something similar and then when it doesnt work out, we ask for an insane price. Hence why those surplus to requirements are always moaning about levy asking for a ridiculous price and us having an overload squad

You could say that Chelsea are good at it and we are not.

The difference is that the players we loan are usually from our academy whereas the players Chelsea loan are usually top talents they have purchased so no one else can get them.

 

[beats1]

The difference is that the players we loan are usually from our academy whereas the players Chelsea loan are usually top talents they have purchased so no one else can get them.

We go for the top talents but don't often get them because Chelsea have more money. Chelsea didnt loan Mata or Luiz and could say that they just had the sense to replace them before they get rid.

As for our academy, Rose, Lennon, Parrett, Bostock, Gomelt, Hall, Cebellos, Fryers, Milos and etc. All signed for big fees considering they were young players

So we are different because we stole them before they proved themselves

 

[Lilbaz]

Ban loans for players over 21 and also to your league.

 

[beats1]

Ban loans for players over 21 and also to your league.

The thing is, the PL is improving and for the top teams this means the age at which a player can break in to the team also increases, as the teams wont wait for the player to develop in house and potentially have a weakness.

Look at Messi they had Guily on the right and Messi eventually replace him. Whereas now the youth products have to compete with Suarez, Neymar and Messi for one of the spots and seasoned players like Pedro, Iniesta(if he gets moved forwarded) or Rakitic (if he gets moved to allow Iniesta and xavi play in the middle)

So at 21 what is a player supposed to do, they are written off and late bloomers like say a Pirlo, Zidane, Eto and etc.

What getting rid of the loan system will create is something worse imo, the buy back clause with a club buying a player but not sell him at the going rate because of a buy back clause or another club take the profit(like Negredo for Madrid).

Then this means that the original club carries no risk and the club lumped with a player takes all the risk and some of the gains, since if the players a flop it will hurt them as they will have to try and shit him. If he turns out to be the new Drogba or Zidane, then they don't get rewarded fully for their good work.

 

[Lilbaz]

The thing is, the PL is improving and for the top teams this means the age at which a player can break in to the team also increases, as the teams wont wait for the player to develop in house and potentially have a weakness.

Look at Messi they had Guily on the right and Messi eventually replace him. Whereas now the youth products have to compete with Suarez, Neymar and Messi for one of the spots and seasoned players like Pedro, Iniesta(if he gets moved forwarded) or Rakitic (if he gets moved to allow Iniesta and xavi play in the middle)

So at 21 what is a player supposed to do, they are written off and late bloomers like say a Pirlo, Zidane, Eto and etc.

What getting rid of the loan system will create is something worse imo, the buy back clause with a club buying a player but not sell him at the going rate because of a buy back clause or another club take the profit(like Negredo for Madrid).

Then this means that the original club carries no risk and the club lumped with a player takes all the risk and some of the gains, since if the players a flop it will hurt them as they will have to try and shit him. If he turns out to be the new Drogba or Zidane, then they don't get rewarded fully for their good work.

Teams will have to decide if they are going to be good enough to be part of the 25 man squad or sell them. Yes they may have to go to a championship team or other but at least they will then be that teams player. They will get games and the team that takes them on will want to develop them more as they will be their player.
I would also like the 25 man squad reduced to 22 or 23. Then use u21 players to cover any shortages. It will stop players sitting and rotting.
Scrap buy back or sell on clauses as well.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Which is the Italian team has like 200 players out on loan? Bologna maybe? One of them anyway

 

[felmani26]

What Chelsea do is hoard many of the best youngsters in the game and just loan them out (usually to the same club). It's ridiculous and unfair on both the players and the other teams.

Don't blame Chelsea, blame the system!

As with most rules in football, clubs will circumvent to preserve the status quo.

 

[Gbspurs]

Which is the Italian team has like 200 players out on loan? Bologna maybe? One of them anyway

Parma.

I think maybe limiting the amount of loans would make sense. I would like to see same league loans removed.

Players will sign for Chelsea at the moment thinking "well if I don't play ill just get loaned out so I'll still get game time and a good wage".

If there wasn't the guarantee of a loan would they still want to move to these clubs to potentially rot in the reserves? You would probably find that players would choose clubs to sign for where they have a higher chance of playing.

 

[Lilbaz]

Parma.

I think maybe limiting the amount of loans would make sense. I would like to see same league loans removed.

Players will sign for Chelsea at the moment thinking "well if I don't play ill just get loaned out so I'll still get game time and a good wage".

If there wasn't the guarantee of a loan would they still want to move to these clubs to potentially rot in the reserves? You would probably find that players would choose clubs to sign for where they have a higher chance of playing.

More simple than that, with the 25 squad rule teams wouldn't be able to buy them unless they sold someone else.

Parma is the worst example 200 players loaned out to the smaller teams. If any of them players become good it will be Parma who will benefit not the club that develops him.

 

[beats1]

Teams will have to decide if they are going to be good enough to be part of the 25 man squad or sell them. Yes they may have to go to a championship team or other but at least they will then be that teams player. They will get games and the team that takes them on will want to develop them more as they will be their player.
I would also like the 25 man squad reduced to 22 or 23. Then use u21 players to cover any shortages. It will stop players sitting and rotting.
Scrap buy back or sell on clauses as well.

If scrap the the loan system why would the PL clubs agree to scrap this as well. Its what Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern and etc live off.

I actually think 25 man squad rule has seriously backfired.

Teams now aim to have 25 man squad instead of just assembling a squad each season plus it has resulted it being harder for academy players to break in to the team and also meant that top european under 21's are sought after to be squad players without taking a squad place

The 25 man squad and homegrown rule was also a compromise iirc on the illegal proposition of 6+5 rule FIFA wanted in place

 

[Lilbaz]

If scrap the the loan system why would the PL clubs agree to scrap this as well. Its what Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern and etc live off.

I actually think 25 man squad rule has seriously backfired.

Teams now aim to have 25 man squad instead of just assembling a squad each season plus it has resulted it being harder for academy players to break in to the team and also meant that top european under 21's are sought after to be squad players without taking a squad place

The 25 man squad and homegrown rule was also a compromise iirc on the illegal proposition of 6+5 rule FIFA wanted in place

I'm not saying they will. I'm saying they should, to create a fairer game.