Kane already a big threat to Rooney’s England record

[mawspurs]

Phil Jones has tipped Harry Kane to beat Wayne Rooney as England‘s all-time highest goalscorer after netting twice against Malta.

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[TottenhamMattSpur]

I'd love an excel sheet showing England's top 10 record goal scorers and add the teams they scored against and their rank when the goals were scored.

In my lifetime we've had Lineker, Shearer and then Rooney threaten/break Charltons record. I'm sure with each passing player the volume of goals against utter nobodies has increases.

How many of Rooney's record goals were at tournaments?

 

[gloryglory]

Owen as well. Greaves is still the benchmark - his goals per game record far outstrips everyone else's.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

Owen as well. Greaves is still the benchmark - his goals per game record far outstrips everyone else's.

And Greavsie didn't get to pad his stats against teams like Andorra, Liechtenstein, San Marino, etc, because many of UEFA's 'minnow' nations didn't play internationals back in the 1960s. Although the game has changed a lot since then in terms of formations and tactics, with avoiding defeat or damage limitation the objective of many teams now, Greavsie's still the man.

 

[Legacy]

I'd love an excel sheet showing England's top 10 record goal scorers and add the teams they scored against and their rank when the goals were scored.

In my lifetime we've had Lineker, Shearer and then Rooney threaten/break Charltons record. I'm sure with each passing player the volume of goals against utter nobodies has increases.

How many of Rooney's record goals were at tournaments?

Pretty sure Rooney has a massive 1 World Cup goal to his name. Scored 4 in Euro 2004 when he first broke through and then added 2 in the tournaments after that.

 

[Chris_D]

I'm not sure he'll score more than Rooney. He can maybe average a goal every other game so he needs over a hundred caps. It could happen but he needs to be first choice a long time, like another seven or eight years.

 

[Col_M]

Oh please. He's got a long way to go.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

I'm not sure he'll score more than Rooney. He can maybe average a goal every other game so he needs over a hundred caps. It could happen but he needs to be first choice a long time, like another seven or eight years.

Have you not heard about Kane? He's kind of a big deal.

He's beaten Rooney to 10 England goals by 4 games. He's actually become the fastest to 10 goals for england IIRC.

I'd say on his current trajectory he'll surpass Rooney with a few years to spare.

 

[kr1978]

I'd love an excel sheet showing England's top 10 record goal scorers and add the teams they scored against and their rank when the goals were scored.

In my lifetime we've had Lineker, Shearer and then Rooney threaten/break Charltons record. I'm sure with each passing player the volume of goals against utter nobodies has increases.

How many of Rooney's record goals were at tournaments?

This is a bit of a myth IMO, Bobby Charlton scored a significant number of his goals against the minnows of his time. 5 against Luxembourg, similar against the US and if you include the likes of Northern Ireland, Wales and Switzerland then it soon starts adding up.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

This is a bit of a myth IMO, Bobby Charlton scored a significant number of his goals against the minnows of his time. 5 against Luxembourg, similar against the US and if you include the likes of Northern Ireland, Wales and Switzerland then it soon starts adding up.

I don't dispute that. It's why id like the ability to compare. I bet there were less meaningless games then though.

 

[Spurrific]

This is a bit of a myth IMO, Bobby Charlton scored a significant number of his goals against the minnows of his time. 5 against Luxembourg, similar against the US and if you include the likes of Northern Ireland, Wales and Switzerland then it soon starts adding up.

11 of Jimmy Greaves' international goals came against Northern Ireland, too - so if they're minnows, his goals against them account for a quarter of his England tally.

 

[kr1978]

11 of Jimmy Greaves' international goals came against Northern Ireland, too - so if they're minnows, his goals against them account for a quarter of his England tally.

I would class them as minnows, especially as he scored 4 in an 8-3 win. He was a phenomenal player (from what I've been told, never saw him play) but I think we sometimes downplay modern players achievements.

Looking at some of the scores in those days as well it seems that England handed out a lot of proper one sided beatings compared to now.

 

[ERO]

There were shitloads more goals in football, especially for England, in Greaves' days. England scored 2.6 goals on average in Greaves matches, and had 6 matches were they scored 6 or more goals, in which Greaves netted 14 times.

And tournament goals? Unless you're counting British Championship there weren't a lot...

Types of Goals

Friendlies 20
British Championship 19
World Cup Qualifiers 3
World Cup 1
Other Tournaments 1

 

[Chris_D]

Have you not heard about Kane? He's kind of a big deal.

He's beaten Rooney to 10 England goals by 4 games. He's actually become the fastest to 10 goals for england IIRC.

I'd say on his current trajectory he'll surpass Rooney with a few years to spare.

There's no

Have you not heard about Kane? He's kind of a big deal.

He's beaten Rooney to 10 England goals by 4 games. He's actually become the fastest to 10 goals for england IIRC.

I'd say on his current trajectory he'll surpass Rooney with a few years to spare.

There's no denying it's possible but a lot of things need to go right for him. If he remains first choice striker and penalty taker for a number years and doesn't get injured it could happen. It's a lot of goals I'd sooner see him break the premier league scoring record which will be equally difficult.

 

[gloryglory]

Have you not heard about Kane? He's kind of a big deal.

He's beaten Rooney to 10 England goals by 4 games. He's actually become the fastest to 10 goals for england IIRC.

I'd say on his current trajectory he'll surpass Rooney with a few years to spare.

The point surely is that Rooney was in the England team at 16 and stayed first choice for 13 or 14 years? Kane has no chance of playing anywhere near as many games. That's why the odds are stacked heavily against him.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

The point surely is that Rooney was in the England team at 16 and stayed first choice for 13 or 14 years? Kane has no chance of playing anywhere near as many games. That's why the odds are stacked heavily against him.

Rooney wasn't that prolific on a games to goal ratio. I'd expect by the time Kane is finished with England - possibly at older than 31, he'll have surpassed him.

This is obviously barring injury or some other factor. Kane has proven to he prolific enough over enough games to be able to catch Rooney.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

There's no
I'd sooner see him break the premier league scoring record which will be equally difficult.

That's gonna be a lot harder. The worst premier league teams are better than the majority of the worst international teams he'll come up against.