Jack Grealish

[sausage]

How so? I'm specifically bringing that up as people told me that the figures to buy him weren't a significant sum.. That is a significant sum for Tottenham.

Because the significance of the sum is unrelated to the context. Being the "2nd most expensive signing" in a window in which he wasn't signed would qualify as hogwash.

Last season we spent roughly £25m each on two squad players from PSG, ergo it isn't significant - the ranking of the fee in the window is meaningless.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Uh, no.

1. My real problem is why are we going after players like Grealish who have potential but are not close to our level yet?
2. Why sign these players?
3. Why not give our own academy players these chances if we’re going to sign players not at our level and spend the money on real quality that will improve the first XI?
4. Is that not what Poch was bought on to do?

1. Dawson, Bale, Rose, Walker, Carrick, Modric, Lennon, Eriksen, Huddlestone, Davies, Trippier, Dier, all players who at the time of signing were unproven at anywhere near the level we were at as a club, all players who had both great short term impact and long term sustained success with us, all say hi ?.
2. Because they are better than current prospects at the club and have potential to be top class, usurping not just squad players but even first trainers potentially.
3. Where on earth are you possible getting that we won’t improve our first xi as well?
4. Pochettino was brought in to manage the club and make us successful, part of the MO was to develop youth EITHER from our own academy OR brought in from elsewhere. So far both the overall aim, and this facet of his remit, are ahead of schedule.

I love people in England that accuse others outside of England of not watching players play. It would make sense if England’s tv laws werent archaic. Alas...

I don’t think they accuse non-Englanders as a set rule, only those who consistently spout nonsense which betrays a total lack of knowledge about the game over here.

 

[Lighty64]

Uh, no. My real problem is why are we going after players like Grealish who have potential but are not close to our level yet? Why sign these players? Why not give our own academy players these chances if we’re going to sign players not at our level and spend the money on real quality that will improve the first XI? Is that not what Poch was bought on to do?

1, it's been mentioned we have roughly £150m to spend, which will most probably head towards a 30-50m nett spend, when considering we are about to move into a brand new stadium, considering we have had to budget for the last 10+ seasons is quite a lot of money

2, if Poch is hoping for 4 targets, you then have to factor that very good = £50m, top = £60m+

3, was mentioned we are changing formation so perhaps we might only be looking at 3 transfers now, unless we can pick up 2 bargain £25m players.

now as has been mentioned a few times, the Championship is pretty much on par with many leagues in the world barr 3, and even then some of the top teams in the Championship are as good as there mandioca teams. on the few occasions Eriksen never played last season we missed that kind of player. now Grealish isn't nowhere near Eriksen, but he is something we haven't got, not even in the youth ranks at the moment. Edwards might of been that man but by the sounds of it doesn't want to put the hard work in.

 

[Lighty64]

Thats horrible value in today's market. Keep in mind we got international level players for less than that last year. This is exactly what happens when a bigger club in England goes shopping in England. It was fine to buy these projects like Dele when they were costing 5 and 10 mil but this is a whole other ordeal.

but we have to do some shopping in England as we need 1 more HG than we had last season to allow us the full quota for CL

 

[BringBack_leGin]

We bought Modric when he was soon to turn 23 after he’d been in the first team of the best club in a far weaker league than the championship since his teens. His first 18 months with us were okay at best, some great moments and clear ability but with far less impact than he’s go on to have in the following 2.5 years before leaving.

Grealish, who will start next season 1 day younger than Modric started his first season with us, has already shown his talent in this league as a teenager, has learnt things the hard way in the Championship and through his own previous poor choices, has won the Toulon Tournament with England u21s, won the NextGen tournament with Villa in 2012 playing a starring role.

I’m not saying that Grealish has either the brain or skill of Modric, Modric is arguably the best player on the planet in his position. However, Modric developed into that by being given the opportunity to come to Spurs, play with higher quality players, play against higher quality players and play with higher expectations. If our scouts, our manager, our analysts (teehee) assess that Grealish has the drive and personality to make the most of his obvious attributes (pace, skill, vision, tenacity) then we need to trust them. Our club has shown overall that it’s far better at assessing potential and moulding it to the team than it is at identifying a ready made fit for the team. Just look at our current side: Trippier, Davies, Rose, Dier, Eriksen, Son, Dele, Kane, Sanchez, even Vertonghen to an extent are all players who have adapted and improved, grown and learnt. Our most ‘proven’ acquisitions? Soldado, Paulinho, Sissoko, Llorente, Aurier, to name a few. Of our current top players, only Lloris and Alderweireld came to us as tried and tested.

I’m fully happy for the club to keep doing what has proven successful.

As for the boring argument of ‘we’re bigger and better now, we need established quality to improve’, when the county’s most successful club replaced current England captain David Beckham, how much did most people (I accept some would’ve known more) know about his replacement, a skinny boy with greasy hair from Madeira?

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

It's easy to get excited about someone you haven't seen over someone you have and don't rate that highly.

People were excited for Alli and he was neither of those things.

Grealish was part of the dreadful Villa midfield when they were relegated. He rarely shone in a team that lacked any quality, so he's had PL experience, albeit in a shite team, but never stood out as outstanding potential.

 

[Lighty64]

So promote a youngster to be our 6th AM option, do you really want Grealish to be playing significant time in CL anyways?

if you do that your leaving your squad 1 weaker for all the fixtures if that player isn't good enough for the big stage yet

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Grealish was part of the dreadful Villa midfield when they were relegated. He rarely shone in a team that lacked any quality, so he's had PL experience, albeit in a shite team, but never stood out as outstanding potential.

He was their young player of the year the previous season to their relegation.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

He was their young player of the year the previous season to their relegation.

Maybe, but he had little impact on the teams performances the following season, where you would expect him to push on

 

[yido_number1]

Grealish was part of the dreadful Villa midfield when they were relegated. He rarely shone in a team that lacked any quality, so he's had PL experience, albeit in a shite team, but never stood out as outstanding potential.

Kane couldn't make the team for a relegated norwich and struggled at Leicester. Means nothing, he's clearly matured from then. Josh onoma has looked average for us but people still rightly believe he will improve.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Kane couldn't make the team for a relegated norwich and struggled at Leicester. Means nothing, he's clearly matured from then. Josh onoma has looked average for us but people still rightly believe he will improve.

What is your basis for deciding if Grealish is a good player or not.. i'm intrigued to find out. The Kane and Onomah arguments are irrelevant

 

[yankspurs]

1. Dawson, Bale, Rose, Walker, Carrick, Modric, Lennon, Eriksen, Huddlestone, Davies, Trippier, Dier, all players who at the time of signing were unproven at anywhere near the level we were at as a club, all players who had both great short term impact and long term sustained success with us, all say hi ?.
2. Because they are better than current prospects at the club and have potential to be top class, usurping not just squad players but even first trainers potentially.
3. Where on earth are you possible getting that we won’t improve our first xi as well?
4. Pochettino was brought in to manage the club and make us successful, part of the MO was to develop youth EITHER from our own academy OR brought in from elsewhere. So far both the overall aim, and this facet of his remit, are ahead of schedule.

I don’t think they accuse non-Englanders as a set rule, only those who consistently spout nonsense which betrays a total lack of knowledge about the game over here.

Pleeeeeeeease dont tell ne you just compared Grealish now to when we got Eriksen who was one of the most sought after young players in Europe. Pleeeeeeeeaaaasssseee dont tell me yiu just did that. Jesus fucking christ.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Pleeeeeeeease dont tell ne you just compared Grealish now to when we got Eriksen who was one of the most sought after young players in Europe. Pleeeeeeeeaaaasssseee dont tell me yiu just did that. Jesus fucking christ.

Clearly the nuances involved in taking an overall point from a number of combined pieces of evidence is far beyond you. Can’t say I’m surprised. Everything you say is a massive argument against free speech.

That list and overarching point isn’t weakened one bit without Eriksen’s name in it.

 

[spursfan77]

If we were signing someone from the French league/eredevise with the stats and highlight videos Grealish has people would be excited

People were excited signing gnk despite his YouTube and match clips being awful.

We will end up selling quite a few players I suspect this summer. Getting grealish in for a decent fee to replace them would be good work.

Here’s a tweet with links for grealish’s match contributions for balance

 

[LaSpurs]

Eriksen wasn’t more sought after than nobody but us was prepared to pay €13mil for him. He was widely perceived to have stalled in Ajax.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

It's easy to get excited about someone you haven't seen over someone you have and don't rate that highly.

People were excited for Alli and he was neither of those things.

That's rewriting history a bit. There were plenty who were nonplussed by Alli joining us. Think it was @Trix that pretty much had to persuade the doubters that Alli was in consideration for the first team etc. My memory isn't the best though...

 

[spursfan77]

Data from opta

 

[CrouchPotato]

Sometimes championship is even harder to shine in for a silky player like Grealish - from the sounds of it this has been his best year yet his goals and assists aren’t that flashy, Villa fans rate him highly which to me is a good sign.

Excited about this one, might not have been in our plans from the start, but opportunity arose to get a good deal for a homegrown talent at a cut price deal in today’s market hopefully just the start of some more good business

 

[allatsea]

Pleeeeeeeease dont tell ne you just compared Grealish now to when we got Eriksen who was one of the most sought after young players in Europe. Pleeeeeeeeaaaasssseee dont tell me yiu just did that. Jesus fucking christ.

That is not correct. Eriksen was our second choice with Willian being our first choice. If he was so sort after why didn’t someone else snap him up whilst we were wasting our time with Willian ?

 

[pablo73]

I asked my Villa supporting mate about Grealish and he said: "He is a class player, he'd thrive at Spurs. Gutted to lose him but Villa must sell." Just one person's opinion obviously but he has seen a lot of Grealish and knows his football.