Gift Orban

[sundanceyid10]

Whilst I absolutely agree I also think going into the season with Richy as our only striker option is a bigger risk.

Not necessarily, adding someone who then turns out to not be able to cut it in the Premier League just makes things worse. All
signings are a risk, this one is quite high risk in my opinion, he is going to get nowhere near the time in this league that he gets in the one he is playing in.

But i’m not a football scout, he might end up doing well but it is a high risk transfer no doubt in my opinion. I think the fee would have to be responsible, if it’s a crazy high valuation i would walk away.

 

[Trix]

Why are people comparing Orban with Johnson when they don't play in the same position?

We need a CF far more than a direct running winger.

For years people on here were declaring it neglect from Levy to go into the season with only one recognized senior CF. Well here we are again only now the one CF we have is injury prone and won't guarantee you 30 goals if he does somehow stay fit.

 

[markt]

Why are people comparing Orban with Johnson when they don't play in the same position?

We need a CF far more than a direct running winger.

For years people on here were declaring it neglect from Levy to go into the season with only one recognized senior CF. Well here we are again only now the one CF we have is injury prone and won't guarantee you 30 goals if he does somehow stay fit.

Exactly this.

With Solomon coming in and resurgence of Perisic since he is no longer playing wingback, surely a striker is top priority. Whether Gift is the right choice is another matter.

 

[talkshowhost86]

The issue for me isn't that Orban is the messiah and we must buy him at all costs.

My issue is that its the 27th August and we seem to have still not decided one way or the other.

 

[Trix]

The issue for me isn't that Orban is the messiah and we must buy him at all costs.

My issue is that its the 27th August and we seem to have still not decided one way or the other.

I think we had decided(that a CF was a higher priority) and then Forrest's potential willingness to take some of our deadwood has muddied the waters.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I think we had decided(that a CF was a higher priority) and then Forrest's potential willingness to take some of our deadwood has muddied the waters.

Hopefully yesterdays performance will convince them that CF is indeed the top priority. Not that I think Orban is the answer tho.

 

[rajmak2000]

I think we had decided(that a CF was a higher priority) and then Forrest's potential willingness to take some of our deadwood has muddied the waters.

I know there are a lot more factors in question but when we are on the cusp of positivity with new Manager and progress I don't understand why we can't go for both positions. Of course Levy, current squad size, current wage bill probably why but we just sold Kane for £85m plus unless that money is covering whom we have already bought

 

[wrd]

Why are people comparing Orban with Johnson when they don't play in the same position?

We need a CF far more than a direct running winger.

For years people on here were declaring it neglect from Levy to go into the season with only one recognized senior CF. Well here we are again only now the one CF we have is injury prone and won't guarantee you 30 goals if he does somehow stay fit.

This is such a good observation, I hadn't considered it like this at all; the comparison of how we acted when Kane was the solo striker in comparison to Richarlison, the point is clear even without the vast difference in output elephant in the room.

I do think consistency in how we look at thing's is what makes our opinions worth listening to. This summer we haven't even managed to go from beginning to end without changing what we thought was needed, for example CB's.

I'd say we did the minimum before Kane left, now he has left, I'm not even sure what the minimum is because I don't think they'll replace Kane with for example Muani. I'm doing my best to see this as a developmental season and forget results but with such a good start, it's clouding that.

 

[yawa]

I think we had decided(that a CF was a higher priority) and then Forrest's potential willingness to take some of our deadwood has muddied the waters.

Didnt Forest sign 300 players last summer? Not sure how they can fit any of ours into their squad.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Hopefully yesterdays performance will convince them that CF is indeed the top priority. Not that I think Orban is the answer tho.

I think that’s becoming clearer. Richarlison is working hard, but he just doesn’t seem to be getting himself into shooting positions enough, it just isn’t quite clicking at the minute. We are only 3 games in though, but a more mobile/agile striker capable of getting half a a yard to get an accurate shot away could have seen us killing games off a lot quicker. I will caveat that by saying I think Richarlison is a confidence player, and once he gets the first, more will follow.

I think we had decided(that a CF was a higher priority) and then Forrest's potential willingness to take some of our deadwood has muddied the waters.

I’m still holding out hope, albeit perhaps blindly and foolishly, that if Jonnson is a bit of situational opportunity, then maybe we’ll still look at CF alongside a RWF. I’ve not bought in the talk that Solomon was the Moura replacement, as Lucas always played on the right, but Manor predominantly played on the left his whole career. I think Manor was the Danjuma replacement, but then Perisic has re-entered the thinking and overloaded the options on the left. I actually think we do need another option on the right to keep pushing Deki, but we obviously need another CF option too. I’m expecting/hoping we are looking at a CF regardless, and maybe that will be once we decide which path we want to go, either
A - lower cost with potential but risk, Orban, knowing we’ll have to be patient. I’d hope we have Marcos Leonardo in this same list.
B - bit higher cost, but more proven, David, if we can strike a deal. But still not guaranteed output.
C - opportunistic, a player we’ve looked at but perhaps been unable to secure, who suddenly becomes available late on, maybe loan with option, either Muani because PSG won’t pay Eintracht (given what else they’ve done this summer), or Vlahovic because Juve need to clear him out quickly if they are looking at Lukaku still.

Then if we can make a deal in the background for Johnson and send some of our players in the opposite direction, then that’s an additional bonus signing.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think we had decided(that a CF was a higher priority) and then Forrest's potential willingness to take some of our deadwood has muddied the waters.

So still no coherent plan and it's the 27th August ffs.

I get we need to trim the squad, but we need to stick to what's needed most in terms of imcomings....not deviate to the best pick n mix option.

 

[Trix]

I think that’s becoming clearer. Richarlison is working hard, but he just doesn’t seem to be getting himself into shooting positions enough, it just isn’t quite clicking at the minute. We are only 3 games in though, but a more mobile/agile striker capable of getting half a a yard to get an accurate shot away could have seen us killing games off a lot quicker. I will caveat that by saying I think Richarlison is a confidence player, and once he gets the first, more will follow.



I’m still holding out hope, albeit perhaps blindly and foolishly, that if Jonnson is a bit of situational opportunity, then maybe we’ll still look at CF alongside a RWF. I’ve not bought in the talk that Solomon was the Moura replacement, as Lucas always played on the right, but Manor predominantly played on the left his whole career. I think Manor was the Danjuma replacement, but then Perisic has re-entered the thinking and overloaded the options on the left. I actually think we do need another option on the right to keep pushing Deki, but we obviously need another CF option too. I’m expecting/hoping we are looking at a CF regardless, and maybe that will be once we decide which path we want to go, either
A - lower cost with potential but risk, Orban, knowing we’ll have to be patient. I’d hope we have Marcos Leonardo in this same list.
B - bit higher cost, but more proven, David, if we can strike a deal. But still not guaranteed output.
C - opportunistic, a player we’ve looked at but perhaps been unable to secure, who suddenly becomes available late on, maybe loan with option, either Muani because PSG won’t pay Eintracht (given what else they’ve done this summer), or Vlahovic because Juve need to clear him out quickly if they are looking at Lukaku still.

Then if we can make a deal in the background for Johnson and send some of our players in the opposite direction, then that’s an additional bonus signing.

Danjuma should never have been signed in the first place let alone a player coming in to replace him. That one truly was a bean counter deal.

 

[hero]

Danjuma should never have been signed in the first place let alone a player coming in to replace him. That one truly was a bean counter deal.

And Levy paid £5 mln. for this loan in vain as he barely played.

 

[Stoof]

Why are people comparing Orban with Johnson when they don't play in the same position?

We need a CF far more than a direct running winger.

For years people on here were declaring it neglect from Levy to go into the season with only one recognized senior CF. Well here we are again only now the one CF we have is injury prone and won't guarantee you 30 goals if he does somehow stay fit.

There are schools of thought on the interweb that this is not actually true given the system at play, and despite Deki's goal yesterday and second half improvement, there's an argument that someone of Johnson's style would be a better fit.

Love Deki though obviously; and agree we should at least have someone sembling back-up for Richy.

 

[gibbospurs]

Danjuma should never have been signed in the first place let alone a player coming in to replace him. That one truly was a bean counter deal.

Well tbf if we had a manager that knew what he was doing he may of actually played him rather than playing Son who was horrific. He could have made a difference.

 

[Trix]

Well tbf if we had a manager that knew what he was doing he may of actually played him rather than playing Son who was horrific. He could have made a difference.

That's not the point though is it.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I think we had decided(that a CF was a higher priority) and then Forrest's potential willingness to take some of our deadwood has muddied the waters.

This is genuinely much much worse if true

 

[THFCSPURS19]

 

[Ghost Hardware]

He also says Son and Richy will be the CF, he expects 2 in most likely WF and CB, Johnson is being viewed as a WF not a CF.

 

[wiggo24]

He also says Son and Richy will be the CF, he expects 2 in most likely WF and CB, Johnson is being viewed as a WF not a CF.

So glad we sold the best striker in the world. Balance sheet looking fantastic.