Fragile Fanbase

[-Afri-Coy-]

Can we please stop with the ‘Bi-polar’ references. That is a serious mental health issue and it doesn’t need to be continually thrown at our fans as some sort of insult. For the record I will never judge a Spurs fan for their reactions to how things are going. I won’t always agree but this club is more than just football for many people, myself included so who am I to dismiss their feelings.

It’s not an insult by any means, it’s an analogy that’s used quite often in every day life. People also use depression and anxiety as an analogy. For lack of a better term. Someone else did the same when they referenced “depressed” in their post. But If there is one, please let me know and I’ll gladly change my own post referencing this.

It doesn’t take away from the importance of true mental health problems, and the need to address these problems in society. I suffer from panic disorder myself, so I understand the importance of it but I’m also willing to concede that someone might say they have anxiety about an upcoming interview for example, when I know they really mean they’re just anxious.

 

[Cambridge Spur]

It’s not an insult by any means, it’s an analogy that’s used quite often in every day life. People also use depression and anxiety as an analogy. For lack of a better term. You’ve done the same when you referenced “depressed” in your post. But If there is one, please let me know and I’ll gladly change my own post referencing this.

It doesn’t take away from the importance of true mental health problems, and the need to address these problems in society. I suffer from panic disorder myself, so I understand the importance of it but I’m also willing to concede that someone might say they have anxiety about an upcoming interview for example, when I know they really mean they’re just anxious.

Where have I referenced ‘depressed’? I’m just not comfortable with mental health issues thrown at people so flippantly when discussing fans being pissed off. I’m not saying yourself but I saw many insults thrown at our fans in the match thread. We can just be fucked off by a result without delving into a persons mental state.

 

[chas vs dave]

Can we please stop with the ‘Bi-polar’ references. That is a serious mental health issue

Where have I referenced ‘depressed’? I’m just not comfortable with mental health issues thrown at people so flippantly when discussing fans being pissed off. I’m not saying yourself but I saw many insults thrown at our fans in the match thread. We can just be fucked off by a result without delving into a persons mental state.

Duly noted, changed to polarized.

It's more about the polarized mindset, where its one extreme or the other.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Where have I referenced ‘depressed’? I’m just not comfortable with mental health issues thrown at people so flippantly when discussing fans being pissed off. I’m not saying yourself but I saw many insults thrown at our fans in the match thread. We can just be fucked off by a result without delving into a persons mental state.

Apologies, I meant someone else referenced depressed in a post below yours, I will change it. Also, as Chav has said above, polarised would be a better term to use and I’ll adjust my post accordingly.

FWIW your sentiment is a good one, just giving a bit of perspective from the other side. I don’t think anyone is maliciously bringing another’s mental state into things, it’s purely a bad analogy.

 

[cliff jones]

I'm sure others have said this already, but it's the fragile squads Levy leaves every manager with- if you take out the 5-6 good players we have- we topple over and out of the only comps we have an earthly of winning the moment we are handed a remotely tough draw.

No Romero or Maddison, or Bissouma, and we're massively weaker. No Kane as well but I'm not doing that again.

Paying what we do to watch means the fans are fully entitled to target Levy and his cronies when he leaves another highly promising manager short of what he needs while focused solely on fattening his asset.

The fans' response is the symptom not remotely the cause!

Levy Out

 

[Schultz]

Disappointing line-up last night. Thought we might see 4-5 changes but 9 seemed extreme. Understand Ange's thinking that he needs to give others an opportunity but the fanbase is desperate for a trophy and it's another opportunity down the drain.

The players that came in didn't do themselves any justice and there are a few that never have in a Spurs shirt. Hopefully, last night's experiment shows Ange which ones he can depend on and which ones need to be shipped out. Too many at the club are too comfortable...happy enough to pick up their wages and not hungry enough.

For me, last night was more on the players that were given an opportunity than the coach.

 

[NickHSpurs]

@NickHSpurs

“This is a project, we finished 8th last season, have some perspective you whiny entitled little bitches, honestly fuck right off with that shit”

Well I’ve supported my team boy and man for 57 years next month (since I was 10 and made my first visit to WHL and until the mods tell me otherwise I am pretty sure I can voice my opinions on this forum.

I am deeply offended by your comment and would like to ask ‘Who do you think you are ?” using trash talk to other members of SC who do not share your opinions

And I can cuss with the best on here. I remember relegation, cup wins and all those other highs and lows that go with supporting Tottenham.

It's not the balanced opinions I have an issue with mate, as this OP suggests it's the "hot takes" acting like the world is going to end every single time something happens that pisses me off and what a large section of our fan base needs to stop (and I know it's not just us, it's a reflection on society and football in general).

As the first part of that post (that you omitted) said, it's Ange's FOURTH competitive game as our manager, he’s not going to fix everything overnight. People seriously questioning him after just four competitive games should offend you far more.

Yes we're all frustrated to go out in the first round but we slag off other fan groups for being entitled and look where are. We finished 8th last year and we haven't won a trophy for over 15 years. We need to check ourselves and consider that before going off on unhelpful, unbalanced, the world is ending type rants at every turn.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Fragile just like when it comes to us & early cup exists

 

[NickHSpurs]

Winner post, especially the highlighted bit.

Fans aren't "bi-polar", they're fed up with the regime. They'll support the team through thick and thin and any shaft of light is met with overwhelming positivity (lest you forget "Antonio" ringing round the ground a year ago). You could quite easily say the incredible levels of support Ange and the team have received in only three games is equally "bi-polar" and reactionary.

But failure is ingrained into the club, and these days everyone knows why, and who is responsible.

Fans being angry and depressed because we've gone out of the only realistic chance of silverware, in August, in the first round we've been in, as the first PL team to get knocked out, for the first time in 18 years that we've been knocked out this early, having won our last 7 away games at Craven Cottage - is not fans being "fragile"!

It was an awful performance which was symptomatic of 15 years of Spurs failure and was a stark reminder that despite our positive new manager, the club is still in absolutely no way set up to even try to win anything, and that the culture of failure still runs bone-deep through every aspect of the institution.

People are right to be pissed off and they have every right to express it.

I agree with most of this mate but again it's the little things people going mental about like the knocks to Maddison, Udogie, not signing this player, not selling that player, the massive out pouring of doom and gloom at every single turn that is grinding a lot of us down. It's exhausting.

 

[Misfit]

Football fans disappointed at bad results *shocked Pikachu face*

 

[jpascavitz]

It's not just disappointment or frustration, that's totally fine.

It's the historic mood swings that kill me. I'm not talking for all fans but:

- Some did not want Ange, to the point where it leads to more Levy Out or #NoToAnge type posts
- Ange shows promising signs in preseason and first few matches. I'm seeing takes that we're back, we're winning it all, etc. etc.
- One bad match and team selection, and there's some saying it's a fireable offense.

I even started to see it with Maddison doubtful all last week. Ange names an unchanged side and I saw some saying GLC deserves the match and were disappointed in Ange. Just so so so many armchair coaches around.

We are a club that finished midtable last season in DESPERATE need of a clearout and rebuild. We still have an insane amount of deadwood and it's not going to change overnight. My only expectation this season was to play attractive football again and have something to build on heading into next season, everything else is an absolute bonus.

 

[Japhet]

I don't put anyone on 'ignore' but there are plenty of posters who's posts I routinely skip past simply because of the relentless negativity and vitriol.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I know, I know. We’ve had years of torment and we have PTSD every time we lose or something goes wrong but we’ve got to snap out of this horrible irritating cycle of being doom and gloom merchants at every little bump in the road.

This thread isn’t to discuss last nights team selection, or exiting another cup. It’s about our responsibility as fans to at least try breaking this cycle to make supporting us a bit more bearable.

Maddison got a knock and all of a sudden we can’t have nice things, Gio is shit and not good enough as backup, our squad is shit, we’re gonna finish mid table again.

Udogie gets a knock and same thing, we’re cursed, Reggie couldn’t even lace Atouba’s boots and he’s our backup with Davies, why do the football gods hate us?!

Then last night, suddenly after a really positive start we have one bad result and Ange is Tim Sherwood in disguise.

We’ve got to cut this shit out, we’re such an exhausting fan base at times and I know it’s because we’ve been hurt by years of underachieving, with managers playing horrible football against our philosophies but now we’ve got one who’s trying to repair us.

We’ve got to start looking at the positives and move forward, these rollercoaster highs and lows from one day to another are so tiresome. I’m not saying just be happy clappers for the sake of it but the massively extreme lows at every single little hurdle and “hot takes” are so unhealthy.

Let’s just get behind Ange and whatever players are here by the end of the week and see where it takes us. The support felt so refreshing against United and we need to keep that going off the pitch if we’re going to get past this and put the ghosts of Nuno, Jose and Conte behind us!

Love this

Part of this is just modern society and just how football fans have always been and will always be to an extent, people panic and overreact to a lot of things and love to find the negative and doom and gloom whenever possible.

It’s hard to change and it’s much easier for people to be negative than more balanced and positive, but nothing wrong with trying to fight against that as we as spurs fans for sure could do with being a bit more balanced and positive at times but our journey hasn’t been easy and we’ve had a lot of false dawns, disappointment and mostly lack of a project and direction to believe in under Levy/ENIC.

Ange is a breath of fresh air, I hope to goodness we finish the window strongly with a CB, WF and ST minimum and then we focus all our energy on getting behind Ange, the new team and new chapter.

 

[TheChosenOne]

It's not the balanced opinions I have an issue with mate, as this OP suggests it's the "hot takes" acting like the world is going to end every single time something happens that pisses me off and what a large section of our fan base needs to stop (and I know it's not just us, it's a reflection on society and football in general).

As the first part of that post (that you omitted) said, it's Ange's FOURTH competitive game as our manager, he’s not going to fix everything overnight. People seriously questioning him after just four competitive games should offend you far more.

Yes we're all frustrated to go out in the first round but we slag off other fan groups for being entitled and look where are. We finished 8th last year and we haven't won a trophy for over 15 years. We need to check ourselves and consider that before going off on unhelpful, unbalanced, the world is ending type rants at every turn.

The first part of your post was irrelevant to me in that I’ve seen it all before. But there was no deliberate framing agenda on my behalf.


As it stands we have a massive 15 matches in the next 17 weeks to consider.

 

[Japhet]

Love this

Part of this is just modern society and just how football fans have always been and will always be to an extent, people panic and overreact to a lot of things and love to find the negative and doom and gloom whenever possible.

It’s hard to change and it’s much easier for people to be negative than more balanced and positive, but nothing wrong with trying to fight against that as we as spurs fans for sure could do with being a bit more balanced and positive at times but our journey hasn’t been easy and we’ve had a lot of false dawns, disappointment and mostly lack of a project and direction to believe in under Levy/ENIC.

Ange is a breath of fresh air, I hope to goodness we finish the window strongly with a CB, WF and ST minimum and then we focus all our energy on getting behind Ange, the new team and new chapter.

I remember years ago somebody talking to me about depression and they said 'It's the easiest thing in the World to fall into a hole. Trying to get out of it requires a lot of effort but falling further requires none at all'. I think a lot of people find comfort in their misery because it's comfortable and presents no challenges or demands.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I remember years ago somebody talking to me about depression and they said 'It's the easiest thing in the World to fall into a hole. Trying to get out of it requires a lot of effort but falling further requires none at all'. I think a lot of people find comfort in their misery because it's comfortable and presents no challenges or demands.

mate.

Research shows that our brains evolved to react much more strongly to negative experiences than positive ones. It kept us safe from danger. But in modern days, where physical danger is minimal, it often just gets in the way. It's called the negativity bias.

It’s evolutionary.

It’s also why happiness never lasts or isn’t constant it’s always going to be ups and downs.

Take city booing their team off at half time early on last season for goodness sake after all the wonderful football and success they’ve had and they went onto win the sodding treble yet 10 games in they boo’d their team off at half time during a game.

Nothing wrong with this thread but humans and football fans will ultimately always find some negativity at some point it’s just human nature unfortunately.

But what we can do is focus more on the positives and enjoy them and don’t react quite as much or as strongly to the perceived negatives.

 

[carmeldevil]

Nick - I’m with you! I’m a lifelong supporter of one of the most glorified and successful American baseball teams. We rarely have a bad season. In fact the last time we had the worst record was way back in 1902 or so.
This season has been an absolute shitshow. Nothing is working. Nothing.

It’s really weird to see how the fans have become so toxic. it’s as if all these years of success meant nothing. I get the season sucked and it’s on the ownership and management.

Maybe just ride it out and keep the pressure on the management to fix it. But nope the fans turned onto each other and/or moaned even when management made player moves (trades) at the deadline. It feels like maybe being in an echo chamber of one team fan base is not good for one’s health. Especially when things are not going well. I dunno.

We’ll see. I still believe in Ange and hope for the best.

 

[chas vs dave]

mate.

Research shows that our brains evolved to react much more strongly to negative experiences than positive ones. It kept us safe from danger. But in modern days, where physical danger is minimal, it often just gets in the way. It's called the negativity bias.

It’s evolutionary.

Experience subconsciously changes the way we think. It's a form of programming. It defines habits and behaviours

I think the term is neurons that fire together wire together.

 

[mr ashley]

I'd rather we spent the energy supporting the team, and kept protests to outside the stadium pre match.

People are entitled to chant what they feel like chanting, but it feels reactionary. Like a temper tantrum.

The collective voice isn’t the same on the pavements outside the grounds

Having everyone stood together will obviously create a different atmosphere

 

[PLTuck]

I know, I know. We’ve had years of torment and we have PTSD every time we lose or something goes wrong but we’ve got to snap out of this horrible irritating cycle of being doom and gloom merchants at every little bump in the road.

This thread isn’t to discuss last nights team selection, or exiting another cup. It’s about our responsibility as fans to at least try breaking this cycle to make supporting us a bit more bearable.

Maddison got a knock and all of a sudden we can’t have nice things, Gio is shit and not good enough as backup, our squad is shit, we’re gonna finish mid table again.

Udogie gets a knock and same thing, we’re cursed, Reggie couldn’t even lace Atouba’s boots and he’s our backup with Davies, why do the football gods hate us?!

Then last night, suddenly after a really positive start we have one bad result and Ange is Tim Sherwood in disguise.

We’ve got to cut this shit out, we’re such an exhausting fan base at times and I know it’s because we’ve been hurt by years of underachieving, with managers playing horrible football against our philosophies but now we’ve got one who’s trying to repair us.

We’ve got to start looking at the positives and move forward, these rollercoaster highs and lows from one day to another are so tiresome. I’m not saying just be happy clappers for the sake of it but the massively extreme lows at every single little hurdle and “hot takes” are so unhealthy.

Let’s just get behind Ange and whatever players are here by the end of the week and see where it takes us. The support felt so refreshing against United and we need to keep that going off the pitch if we’re going to get past this and put the ghosts of Nuno, Jose and Conte behind us!

First paragraph alone could be winnered 100 times.

Post of the season so far!