FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

[PLTuck]

As soon as Mura got the corner I knew they would score from it. Unable to defend them. Basic stuff.

Bit harsh. That guy will probably never score a better goal in his career. If that was one of ours we'd be creaming over it for years

 

[Dov67]

was interesting listening to Martin Lipton on the Spurs Show podcast. He's a very sensible measured journalist, and far from the knee jerk cliche merchants you see and hear on SSN and Talkshite. He said he has always been a "give the manager time' kind of guy.

But even he said Nuno has to go, its not going to work, it was the wrong appointment and it will never work, so cut your losses now.

I tend to agree, since its hard to imagine a Poch-like tunraround in fortunes.

Two problems though:

1. pretty much undermines Paraticci right from the off as it says to everyone that your first major decision was a total cluster**k.
2. who replaces him? On the pod they were talking about Brendan Rogers and Potter but TBH I just cannot see them walking out on their clubs mid-season

That said, neither can I see Nuno lasting till xmas, and I would say the odds of Ryan Mason getting the gig till the summer are about evens.

What a total f****g mess we're in. In almost any other business, Levy would be fired in disgrace.

 

[PLTuck]

was interesting listening to Martin Lipton on the Spurs Show podcast. He's a very sensible measured journalist, and far from the knee jerk cliche merchants you see and hear on SSN and Talkshite. He said he has always been a "give the manager time' kind of guy.

But even he said Nuno has to go, its not going to work, it was the wrong appointment and it will never work, so cut your losses now.

I tend to agree, since its hard to imagine a Poch-like tunraround in fortunes.

Two problems though:

1. pretty much undermines Paraticci right from the off as it says to everyone that your first major decision was a total cluster**k.
2. who replaces him? On the pod they were talking about Brendan Rogers and Potter but TBH I just cannot see them walking out on their clubs mid-season

That said, neither can I see Nuno lasting till xmas, and I would say the odds of Ryan Mason being the gig till the summer are about evens.

What a total f****g mess we're in. In almost any other business, Levy would be fired in disgrace.

I agree with the rest of the post but this last bit I see a lot on here and it irks me.

In what industry does a business asset value increase of 1000% (or ~3500% if you take his ridiculous valuation seriously) over 20 years see the CEO largely responsible for that increase fired?

Joe Lewis doesn't give a damn about what style of football we play, whether Winks is played, or whether we sign a back up striker. He cares about ROI and that's it.

 

[Push & Run]

As regards to our abysmal defending at set pieces, my poor old brain registers the fact we have not been too good at that for a number of years now. The statistics hounds might confirm this or not, but my underpants tell me everytime we defend a corner I shit myself. So I thought which of our ch/cbs dominated in the air and I stopped when I reached Mike England and Maurice Norman. Prove an old man senile and correct him, don't say Ledders, Daws or uncle tom cobbly because I want total domination, domination of the EPL, the world, sorry will take my tablets now (with a g&t) THIS is what happens to idiots who support Spurs for over 60m years - scrambled brains

 

[whitesocks]

AG said in his latest video that he believes Nuno is picking players the board want him to play rather than the ones he wants to play. Maybe if levy stops interfering in what players and formations the manager picks then we'll see some improvement on the playing side.

I watched the video and don't remember him saying that.

It would be extraordinary - if a coach doesn't get to pick the team, then what is their point?
Levy has been very reluctant to interfere like this - he knows how sensitive they are.
AVB walked when Levy asked him if perhaps he try selecting adebayor, the player he had demanded and said could control.

Paratici might think he is more qualified to stick his oar in. If the dof says that he sees the future of the side based on winks, doherty, alli, and ndom, (for instance) and will sell the other players, then it puts nuno in a tricky position.

But surely nuno has the strength of character to stand up to this and use his current resources to their best utility.
His first job is to win by any means possible - to save his own neck in the short term, if nothing else.

 

[PLTuck]

I watched the video and don't remember him saying that.

It would be extraordinary - if a coach doesn't get to pick the team, then what is their point?
Levy has been very reluctant to interfere like this - he knows how sensitive they are.
AVB walked when Levy asked him if perhaps he try selecting adebayor, the player he had demanded and said could control.

Paratici might think he is more qualified to stick his oar in. If the dof says that he sees the future of the side based on winks, doherty, alli, and ndom, (for instance) and will sell the other players, then it puts nuno in a tricky position.

But surely nuno has the strength of character to stand up to this and use his current resources to their best utility.
His first job is to win by any means possible - to save his own neck in the short term, if nothing else.

You don't remember it because he didn't say it. Not in that context anyway. IIRC he said that Nuno was probably asked in interview whther he thought he could get the best out of the current squad as we aren't a bottomless pit of money. He obviously replied yes or he wouldn't have got the gig. Sticking by the likes of Dele is him trying to live up to that promise/expectation.

 

[PLTuck]

As regards to our abysmal defending at set pieces, my poor old brain registers the fact we have not been too good at that for a number of years now. The statistics hounds might confirm this or not, but my underpants tell me everytime we defend a corner I shit myself. So I thought which of our ch/cbs dominated in the air and I stopped when I reached Mike England and Maurice Norman. Prove an old man senile and correct him, don't say Ledders, Daws or uncle tom cobbly because I want total domination, domination of the EPL, the world, sorry will take my tablets now (with a g&t) THIS is what happens to idiots who support Spurs for over 60m years - scrambled brains

60 million years?

Fuck, you're older than me!

 

[TheChosenOne]

Bit harsh. That guy will probably never score a better goal in his career. If that was one of ours we'd be creaming over it for years

No doubt that it was a scorcher, up there with the best ever in the history of the CL - including this one by Zizou in 2002.

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But forever etched in my memory are all those goals let in when our defenders are ball watching, two of Chelsea's goals were from corners a couple of weeks ago, granted Rudiger's was 2nd phase, the Firminho goal last year, so many times I despair

 

[Push & Run]

60 million years?

Fuck, you're older than me!

It will come to you one day my friend but hopefully not soon. Stay safe and happier days COYS

 

[PLTuck]

No doubt that it was a scorcher, up there with the best ever in the history of the CL - including this one by Zizou in 2002.

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But forever etched in my memory are all those goals let in when our defenders are ball watching, two of Chelsea's goals were from corners a couple of weeks ago, granted Rudiger's was 2nd phase, the Firminho goal last year, so many times I despair

Oh yeah I close my eyes every time we are defending a corner. It's been going on for a while now. But sometimes you just have to say "yep, great goal", as I think is the case for last night's 1 against.

 

[DOX]

I have a (inexplicably) strange feeling that after FC Barcelona sack Koeman … he’ll be our next Head Coach.

 

[PLTuck]

I have a (inexplicably) strange feeling that after FC Barcelona sack Koeman … he’ll be our next Head Coach.

Now there's a conundrum.

Nuno or Ronald. The very definition of Hobson's choice!

 

[rez9000]

I agree with the rest of the post but this last bit I see a lot on here and it irks me.

In what industry does a business asset value increase of 1000% (or ~3500% if you take his ridiculous valuation seriously) over 20 years see the CEO largely responsible for that increase fired?

Joe Lewis doesn't give a damn about what style of football we play, whether Winks is played, or whether we sign a back up striker. He cares about ROI and that's it.

Therein lies the specific issue, the root cause, if you will of the problems at Spurs.

That our football club's chairman's performance is not measured by the on-field performance he facilitates (or fails to would probably be more accurate), but the increase in value to the holding company that owns the club.

 

[rez9000]

As regards to our abysmal defending at set pieces, my poor old brain registers the fact we have not been too good at that for a number of years now. The statistics hounds might confirm this or not, but my underpants tell me everytime we defend a corner I shit myself. So I thought which of our ch/cbs dominated in the air and I stopped when I reached Mike England and Maurice Norman. Prove an old man senile and correct him, don't say Ledders, Daws or uncle tom cobbly because I want total domination, domination of the EPL, the world, sorry will take my tablets now (with a g&t) THIS is what happens to idiots who support Spurs for over 60m years - scrambled brains

You're may well be right P&R in that we've not had an aerially superior CB pairing since the days of EngNorm (I like weird portmanteau words), but then it's not really been in keeping with our club anyway, has it? That's the whole Spurs Way - the swashbuckling devil-may-care football.

Not that I think it's bad or good that we haven't, more that it's probably not something we've ever, as a club, taken as that important. Although, that said, Verts and Toby (well, Jan mainly) wasn't bad in the air....

Enjoy the pills and gin. Say hi to the purple giraffe for me - not seen him around for a while myself.

 

[spursfan77]

was interesting listening to Martin Lipton on the Spurs Show podcast. He's a very sensible measured journalist, and far from the knee jerk cliche merchants you see and hear on SSN and Talkshite. He said he has always been a "give the manager time' kind of guy.

But even he said Nuno has to go, its not going to work, it was the wrong appointment and it will never work, so cut your losses now.

I tend to agree, since its hard to imagine a Poch-like tunraround in fortunes.

Two problems though:

1. pretty much undermines Paraticci right from the off as it says to everyone that your first major decision was a total cluster**k.
2. who replaces him? On the pod they were talking about Brendan Rogers and Potter but TBH I just cannot see them walking out on their clubs mid-season

That said, neither can I see Nuno lasting till xmas, and I would say the odds of Ryan Mason being the gig till the summer are about evens.

What a total f****g mess we're in. In almost any other business, Levy would be fired in disgrace.

Cheers Martin ?

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Now there's a conundrum.

Nuno or Ronald. The very definiation of Hobson's choice!

Actually, Hobson’s choice is not…

No! No! I am not a pedant, I will fight this urge to educate…

 

[PLTuck]

Actually, Hobson’s choice is not…

No! No! I am not a pedant, I will fight this urge to educate…

Please do! If I've been using Hobson's choice incorrectly my entire life I need to know about it!

 

[Mark_147]

I watched the video and don't remember him saying that.

It would be extraordinary - if a coach doesn't get to pick the team, then what is their point?
Levy has been very reluctant to interfere like this - he knows how sensitive they are.
AVB walked when Levy asked him if perhaps he try selecting adebayor, the player he had demanded and said could control.

Paratici might think he is more qualified to stick his oar in. If the dof says that he sees the future of the side based on winks, doherty, alli, and ndom, (for instance) and will sell the other players, then it puts nuno in a tricky position.

But surely nuno has the strength of character to stand up to this and use his current resources to their best utility.
His first job is to win by any means possible - to save his own neck in the short term, if nothing else.

Fast forward to 24.55 and you'll find what you missed there.

 

[PLTuck]

Fast forward to 24.55 and you'll find what you missed there.

That isn't the same as saying Levy picks the team though.

 

[Push & Run]

You're may well be right P&R in that we've not had an aerially superior CB pairing since the days of EngNorm (I like weird portmanteau words), but then it's not really been in keeping with our club anyway, has it? That's the whole Spurs Way - the swashbuckling devil-may-care football.

Not that I think it's bad or good that we haven't, more that it's probably not something we've ever, as a club, taken as that important. Although, that said, Verts and Toby (well, Jan mainly) wasn't bad in the air....

Enjoy the pills and gin. Say hi to the purple giraffe for me - not seen him around for a while myself.

Yep agree V&T (very similar to G&T) were a class act, genuine footballers who I loved but not dominant in the air or maybe that was partially due to players not blocking incoming crosses, Pamela against Brighton springs to mind. But in my DEFENCE (sorry must be the gin) Liverpool in signing VVD and manure getting HM have made a statement that quality dominant defenders are still essential for successful attacking football. Oh giraffe has just changed his spots!
Stay safe and happier days COYS