FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

[shelfboy68]

I fear we are sliding back to the pre Harry Rednapp days. PEH will likely want out soon, Sonny even on a long deal will not be happy with midtable mediocracy. Kane is as good as gone. The last good thing Levy did was sign Poch. From there it has been blunder after blunder. Nuno is just the latest in his list of mistakes. I'm sure he will have the occasional good result but he isn't the man to get us back near the top 4. It really is shite watching the slow decline of what was a fantastic side.

But the stadium is lovely and has won awards that is important.

 

[Monkey boy]

The first half MUST act as our blueprint from here on in. If he plays like that then i have no doubt that we will improve and get more wins than losses. If however he goes back to previous tactics (which im expecting him to) then he deserves all the criticism that will be coming his way and he can go collect his P45 at the earliest opportunity.

 

[Haddock]

The big debate in the manager thread used to be about wether it's the manager or the squad that's not good enough.
I'm glad we've all found common ground and now concluded it's both.

Jokes aside though. I feel for Nuno. Giving him nothing more than a 2-season contract hindered him from the beginning. Everyone, not least the players, knows that Nuno wasn't first choice and that he could be out the door any minute. He's not a long-term appointment and that is bound to create distress in the squad. Any new coach needs time to put his stamp on the squad - Nuno hardly had time to even prepare for the pre-season because he was appointed so late. As many of you have already said: Right now I don't believe Nuno is the problem, but I'm not sure he's the solution either.

The squad though? It's a mystery how we can recruit really good players and then they slowly (or fast) stagnate. When was the last time a new player just came in and 'performed' and therefore demanded a spot? Like when Kane, Eriksen, Alli broke through. We could really use a lucky break at the moment in regards to recruitment just to gain some momentum. If the likes of Romero and Emerson (Obviously brought in to be starters) fails to cement a spot it will quickly turn sour.

We will never be able to properly start the much needed rebuild if the new players brought in fails to perform at the level needed. And all this is before even mentioning the problem that concerns the old guard. Kane, our best player, doesn't want to be here, and the likes of Dier and Alli aren't good enough yet Nuno is the third coach in a row trying to get a tune out of them. Sigh.

 

[spursfan1991]

Although i dont think its right to criticize Nuno as it is the guys above him that are responsible for not giving him the tools he needs to 'succeed'. Having said that, i do believe Spurs are one of the easiest clubs to manage out of the 'big 6'.

The reason is quite simple, their really isnt a big demand from the ownership to win the trophies and i would even say majority of the fanbase too as they understand its very difficult to compete against the oil clubs and the traditional giants.

So what do you need to do to 'succeed' here at Spurs?

It's actually quite simple, Harry Redknapp got it spot on, just 'run around a bit', 'have a go' and as Poch would say, 'be brave.'

The first half yesterday is exactly what needs to be done, follow that template for every game then whoever the manager is will get good 3 to 4 years here.

Nuno needs to be intelligence enough to realize this going forward.

 

[Rosco1984]

Second half we tired and Chelsea were so solid it was always going to be tough to chase the game. Lets be honest they scored from a set piece and a huge deflection which killed the game. Until that point there was nothing in it and to be honest despite the scoreline I feel much better about this season than I did before the game. It looks like we may actually see some attacking football and fingers crossed Nuno sticks with the more positive approach.

 

[DannyNZ]

Second half we tired and Chelsea were so solid it was always going to be tough to chase the game. Lets be honest they scored from a set piece and a huge deflection which killed the game. Until that point there was nothing in it and to be honest despite the scoreline I feel much better about this season than I did before the game. It looks like we may actually see some attacking football and fingers crossed Nuno sticks with the more positive approach.

What worries me is the decisions he is making that mere couch managers scratch their head at. The Crystal Palace 11 and tactics, the stubborn perseverance with it when it patently was failing, the thought that we could sustain the high energy press against Chelsea but had no plan for when we inevitably ran out of gas. The first half was encouraging but feel he was too passive in the second half and just let things unfold as Chelsea changed up at half time.

 

[Cjh56n17]

Looking at the table, the amount of points we have with the teams we've played so far, we are about where I expected us to be. Nuno just needs to find the balance between how we played in the first three games and the first half against Chelsea, easier said then done of course but he deserves to be given a chance to find it. As long as we don't see a repeat of the Palace game.

I don't think he knows what the best system to play is with this group of players, but given the squad still has the fingerprints of two very different managers on it that is understandable imo. But I'd rather wait and see what he can do then jump around managers trying to find the holy grail of one who instantly has this team playing attacking football, winning games and unifys the squad and the fanbase because I don't think that manager exists.

 

[luptic]

This side wont be anywhere near the top 5. Lets see how it looks after 10 games, as there is still alot of bedding in needing to be done.
But some of the issues with that side are still there this season, and may take a few more seasons to fix. And that isnt Nuno's fault.

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

Although i dont think its right to criticize Nuno as it is the guys above him that are responsible for not giving him the tools he needs to 'succeed'. Having said that, i do believe Spurs are one of the easiest clubs to manage out of the 'big 6'.

The reason is quite simple, their really isnt a big demand from the ownership to win the trophies and i would even say majority of the fanbase too as they understand its very difficult to compete against the oil clubs and the traditional giants.

So what do you need to do to 'succeed' here at Spurs?

It's actually quite simple, Harry Redknapp got it spot on, just 'run around a bit', 'have a go' and as Poch would say, 'be brave.'

The first half yesterday is exactly what needs to be done, follow that template for every game then whoever the manager is will get good 3 to 4 years here.

Nuno needs to be intelligence enough to realize this going forward.

I disagree with your comment that we are one of the easiest clubs to manage of the top 6…. Our chairman provides the 6th (at best) highest budget for the playing side of things but then sacks managers who don’t overachieve compared to those resources. If only the chairman was held to the same account by the majority owner (who clearly actually only cares about his net worth).

 

[olliec]

We are not a million miles away from the top 4 this season. United and city look shakey, especially city. I’m willing to give nuno time after what I saw in that first half. if that’s the kind of football he wants going forward I think he’s going to do really well. Chelsea are the best team in the pl and will most likely win it this season the fact we got undone in the second half with a set piece and awful deflection shows we are not a million miles away. The pressing was what I remember peak Poch era so onwards and upwards. I also think if we play the same way we did against Chelsea against arsenal next week it will Be too much for them.

I think you guys who think im being funny is being extremely pessimistic. That first half of football we went toe to toe and didn’t sit back at all. If Nuno plays like that for the rest of the season will have our attacking football back. Nuno said in his interview his job is to get the players to play like that for 90mins and not just 45mins. Let’s give him a chance and see what he does as he obviously learnt from the palace game and didn’t sit back at all.

 

[JCRD]

Seems some are just deluded about how strong we really are. We are exactly where our squad tells us we should be and has told us this for the last 2 years... A little bit better than Arsenal, a little worse than everyone else.

Jose Mourinho couldn't get us to win games, the only time he's ever had that problem in his career. This squad is dead and will be broken up soon and rebuilt. Interesting next few years, could end up anywhere from challengers to mid table.

And is Nuno going to be the guy to build that? I think this is the issue. We know we need to rebuild, but a significant number of fans also know that Nuno wont be that guy to oversee that from a coaching perspective

I think if we had a Ten Haag or someone who has history of playing good football and football that gives us a chance but they were getting some of these performances, we would still see the light... but think with Nuno we know how this will end.

 

[bubble07]

Second half we tired and Chelsea were so solid it was always going to be tough to chase the game. Lets be honest they scored from a set piece and a huge deflection which killed the game. Until that point there was nothing in it and to be honest despite the scoreline I feel much better about this season than I did before the game. It looks like we may actually see some attacking football and fingers crossed Nuno sticks with the more positive approach.

There's definitely some positives but we have only scored 1 GOAL FROM OPEN PLAY

 

[Pebble Dash]

This side wont be anywhere near the top 5. Lets see how it looks after 10 games, as there is still alot of bedding in needing to be done.
But some of the issues with that side are still there this season, and may take a few more seasons to fix.

At the current rate we’ll have achieved 2 goals in open play by game 10 and doubled our goals to an amazing 6 ???

3 wins yes but now 2 defeats with no goals scored and bugger all chances created. Up until yesterday we had the second worst chance creation, given Leicester had a right go at Brighton in the 2nd half we must now be bottom of the chances created league.

 

[THE SPURSBOY]

There's definitely some positives but we have only scored 1 GOAL FROM OPEN PLAY

I can't remember one chance we created last 2 games

 

[shelfboy68]

At the current rate we’ll have achieved 2 goals in open play by game 10 and doubled our goals to an amazing 6 ???

3 wins yes but now 2 defeats with no goals scored and bugger all chances created. Up until yesterday we had the second worst chance creation, given Leicester had a right go at Brighton in the 2nd half we must now be bottom of the chances created league.

Not the attacking philosophy promised by the chairman could he have lied.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

What you write & infer from it are completely opposite ?‍

You say, "hey look at Potter at Brighton or Poch with us....look how they are getting best out of the squad..." - Yet , you conveniently forgetting same managers also struggled initially. Poch almost lost his job prior to the Stoke game middle of his first season. Potter finishing at 17th.

So, how is it fair to criticise Nuno after 5 games, when he has 9 points on board...having already played top2 title contenders already, with a squad affected by injuries and non-availability

You cant just say look at Potter & Poch and not give the same time to Nuno

Said this 100x stop comparing to Poch. He had a track record of good football in the PL what would suit us and even early days whilst results weren’t there there were signs of his plan with us. We have a much better squad now than we did under poch and his was full of bad eggs he has to clear out yet in our first 4 games we scored 10 goals and we’re creating chances and pressing in phases.

Under Nuno we’ve scored 3 in 5 games and one from open play, we can barely create a chance never mind score a goal. It’s not about giving Nuno time he should never have been hired!

 

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[dagraham]

all of this being said, you can NOT lose 0-3 to fucking chelsea at home. you just can’t. that’s not acceptable.

Good job you weren’t around when we got spanked 6-1 at home to them.

 

[mrlilywhite]

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I personally could foresee this happening, as I'm sure most could too. These stats are a bi-product of mismanagement of the club that stems from the time that we watched the demise of Poch. To compound issues, even more, we went and hired two managers who steered us away from our 'DNA' and took exciting and creative football off the menu, despite being hoodwinked by a chairman saying we need to find our identity again - total BS, as per usual! Some always say don't read too much into stats, but this highlights every single issue with the club and our performances. We've flirted with relegation before & Levy acted before it was too late, will he do it again? If we find ourselves in this mess again, will we have the personnel to get us out of it? Thankfully, there are worse teams in the league who'll suffer the fate of championship football, but currently, our performances suggest we'll likely be down there scrapping, as opposed to a top 10 finish.